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Are we over-treating or under-treating men with prostate cancer?
How do you balance the aggressiveness of the cancer versus the patient’s
age and other medical problems?
Things that might effect the decision to
treat
• Biology and extent of the cancer (how
aggressive and how advanced)
• Health status of the patient (general
state of health, other disease
problems, life expectancy, personal
goals)
Biology: The more mutated the cancer cells the lower the cure rate
88% if well differentiated cells
70% if moderate differentiated cells
50% if poorly differentiated cells
Risk Stratification and Staging
By 2018
there are
at least 8
risk groups
Stages of Prostate Cancer
Tumor (T, N, M) Stage
Stage groups now
include the degree of
spread but also the
level of the tumor
marker (PSA) and the
degree of cancer cell
mutation (Gleason)
Gleason Scoring System
From the biopsy, the pathologist grades
the appearance of the cells. From least serious
(slow growing or Grade 1 to the fastest
growing and most dangerous or grade 5). The
first number is the most common pattern seen
and the second number the next most common.
So a 4+3 is more serious than 3+4 even though
they both are Gleason 7.
So the slowest is a score of 2 and the fastest is
a 10.
Gleason Scoring
System and
Graded Group
The higher the PSA the lower the Cure
Rate
The higher the PSA the lower the Cure
Rate
PSA Level
Relapsed after
Radiation
0.1 to 4 4%
4 to 10 7%
10 to 20 22%
20 - 50 48%
over 50 67%
Average Life Expectancy for a
Man in the US 2015 Data
Current Age Average Years Left
50 – 54 30.2
55 – 59 26
60 – 64 22.1
65 – 69 18.3
70 – 74 14.8
75 – 79 11.6
80 – 84 8.7
85 + 6.2
WHO Data apps.who.int/gho/data/view.main.61780?lang=en
Life expectancy can be
adjusted using the physician’s
assessment of over all health
Top quartile : add 50%
Lowest quartile: subtract 50%
Social Security Data
ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4
c6.html
Age Life Expectancy Age Life
Expectancy
Life expectancy can be
adjusted using the physician’s
assessment of over all health
Top quartile : add 50%
Lowest quartile: subtract 50%
Life Expectancy for Men By QuartilesYears
Age
Median survival (half will liver
shorter and half will live longer)
Treatment Recommendations
O (Observation)
AS (Active Surveillance)
Radiation (EBRT external beam or Brachytherapy
seeds)
RP (radical prostatectomy, i.e. surgery)
Definition of Non Treatment from the NCCN
Observation: monitor until symptoms develop or are imminent (ie. PSA
> 10) and then start palliative hormone therapy
Active Surveillance: check every 6 months and if disease progression
consider curative treatment
Monitor: PSA every 6 to 12 months, DRE every 12 months, MRI-US fusion
may improve accuracy of biopsy
Consider repeat biopsy: if DRE progression, MRI more aggressive
disease, rising PSA
Used to be called ‘Watchful Waiting’
Selected Active Surveillance Experience
in North America
Center Toronto Hopkins UCSF UCSF
(newer)
Number 993 1298 321 810
Median Age 68 66 63 62
Median Follow Up 77 mos 60 mos 43 mos 60 mos
Overall Survival 80% (10y) 93% (10y) 98% (10y) 98% (5y)
Cancer Spec Surv 98% (10y) 99.9% (10y) 100% (5y)
Convert to Treat 36.5% (10y) 50% (10y) 24% (3y) 40% (5y)
NCCN 2018 Review
Selected Active Surveillance Experience
in North America
Center Toronto Hopkins UCSF UCSF
(newer)
Number 993 1298 321 810
Median Age 68 66 63 62
Median Follow Up 77 mos 60 mos 43 mos 60 mos
Overall Survival 80% (10y) 93% (10y) 98% (10y) 98% (5y)
Cancer Spec Sur 98% (10y) 99.9% (10y) 100% (5y)
Convert to Treat 36.5% (10y) 50% (10y) 24% (3y) 40% (5y)
NCCN 2018 Review
Selected Active Surveillance Experience
in North America
Center Toronto Hopkins UCSF UCSF
(newer)
Number 993 1298 321 810
Median Age 68 66 63 62
Median Follow Up 77 mos 60 mos 43 mos 60 mos
Overall Survival 80% (10y) 93% (10y) 98% (10y) 98% (5y)
Cancer Spec Sur 98% (10y) 99.9% (10y) 100% (5y)
Convert to Treat 36.5% (10y) 50% (10y) 24% (3y) 40% (5y)
NCCN 2018 Review
Risk Groups from the NCCN
Very Low
Stage T1c and
Gleason Group 1
PSA < 10
Volume less than 3 biopsy fragments
+ and < 50% cancer per fragment
PSA density < 0.15
Very Low Risk
Short Life Expectancy (less than 10 years, older than
76) then just observation
Younger (> 10 years life expectancy) then active
surveillance
Really young (20 years expectancy, 62 or younger) then
along with surveillance you can consider surgery or
radiation
Risk Groups from the NCCN
Low
Stage T1 – T2a and
Gleason Group 1 (volume higher)
PSA < 10
Consider genomic testing
Low Risk
Older (< 10 year life expectancy, over 76)
observation
Younger (10+ years , less than 76 )
consider active surveillance or surgery or
radiation
Risk Groups from the NCCN
Favorable Intermediate
Stage T2b – T2c or
Gleason Group 2
PSA < 10
Consider genomic testing
Favorable Intermediate Risk
Older (< 10 y, over 76) observation or
radiation
Younger (10+ y, less than 76) then active
surveillance or surgery or radiation
Risk Groups from the NCCN
Unfavorable Intermediate
Stage T2b – T2c or
Gleason Group 2 or 3 or
PSA 10 - 20
Unfavorable Intermediate Risk
Older (< 10 y, over 76) observation or
radiation + hormones (4-6 mos)
Younger (10+ y, less than 76) then active
surveillance or surgery or radiation +
hormones
Risk Groups from the NCCN
High
Stage T3a or
Gleason Group 4 or 5 or
PSA > 20
Risk Groups from the NCCN
Very High
Stage T3b – T4 or
Gleason Pattern 5 or
Volume > 4 cores with Gleason group 4 or 5
High Risk or Very High
Old (less than 5 years, or 87) then
observation
Younger (less than 87y) then surgery or
radiation + hormones (2 – 3 years)
In 2018 the NCCN Included Genomics in the
Decision Process
Risk Stratification and Staging
Genomic test evaluates the activity of genes in
the tumor that are shown to be involved in the
development and progression of prostate cancer.
Decipher Biopsy
The 46-gene expression signature includes
cell cycle progression genes selected
based upon correlation with prostate
tumor cell proliferation:
low gene expression associated with a low
risk of disease progression
high gene expression associated with
disease progression
Genomics Risk Score from Prolaris
Development and
Validation of a Novel
Integrated Clinical-
Genomic Risk Group
Classification for Localized
Prostate Cancer
New scoring system
that combined the
NNCN with Decipher
Score
Spratt Journal of Clinical
Oncology 36, no. 6, 2018
Which is more Predictive of Outcome, the
NCCN grouping or Genomics?
Group NCCN Decipher
low 7.3% 3.5%
intermediate 29.4%
favorable intermed. 9.2%
Unfavorable intermed. 38.0%
high 39.5% 54.6%
10 Year Metastatic Risk Probability
Spratt Journal of Clinical Oncology 36, no. 6 (February 2018)
Risk of Metastases using Combined
System
Spratt Journal of Clinical
Oncology 36, no. 6, 2018
Clear separation
between risk
groups and
outcome
Risk of Metastases using Combined
System
Most of the
problems
don’t show
up until after
5 years
Risk of Metastases using Combined
System
10 Year Risk of Mets
Very-low 3.1%
Low 3.7%
Favor Intermed 25.9%
Unfav Intermed 31.7%
High 49.7%
Very High 61.9%
Spratt Journal of Clinical
Oncology 36, no. 6, 2018
10 Year Risk of Metastases
Very-low 3.1%
Low 3.7%
Favor Intermed 25.9%
Unfav Intermed 31.7%
High 49.7%
Very High 61.9%
How is this Helpful?
Do Less Therapy
Do More Therapy
Do A lot More Therapy
Bone mets
Risk of Prostate Specific Mortality
using Combined System
10 Year Risk of Mortality
Low Risk 2%
Intermediate 10.7%
High Risk 27.3%
Spratt Journal of Clinical
Oncology 36, no. 6, 2018
Risk of Prostate Specific Mortality
using Combined System
Most of the
deaths don’t
show up
until 10 to
15 years
later
66.6% of patients
classified by the NCCN
six-tier system would
be reclassified using
the new six-tier
clinical-genomic risk
groups
Spratt Journal of Clinical
Oncology 36, no. 6, 2018
After Genomics
44% Low Risk (? Over treating)
28% Favorable Intermediate
27% Unfavorable Intermediate
(? Undertreating)
Favorable Intermediate / Based on NCCN
Prostate Calculators Prostate Cancer Nomograms
mskcc.org/nomograms/prostate
Male Life Expectancy and Watchful Waiting
urology.jhu.edu/prostate/
aboutcancer.com/prostate_calc_main_page
Go to this site for
more prostate
cancer calculators
For more information go to aboutcancer.com
or the video site at:
aboutcancer.com/you_tube_videos.htm
or the YouTube site at:
youtube.com/user/robertmillermd/videos

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Deciding on treatment for prostate cancer 2018

  • 2. Are we over-treating or under-treating men with prostate cancer? How do you balance the aggressiveness of the cancer versus the patient’s age and other medical problems?
  • 3. Things that might effect the decision to treat • Biology and extent of the cancer (how aggressive and how advanced) • Health status of the patient (general state of health, other disease problems, life expectancy, personal goals)
  • 4. Biology: The more mutated the cancer cells the lower the cure rate 88% if well differentiated cells 70% if moderate differentiated cells 50% if poorly differentiated cells
  • 5. Risk Stratification and Staging By 2018 there are at least 8 risk groups
  • 7. Tumor (T, N, M) Stage
  • 8.
  • 9. Stage groups now include the degree of spread but also the level of the tumor marker (PSA) and the degree of cancer cell mutation (Gleason)
  • 10. Gleason Scoring System From the biopsy, the pathologist grades the appearance of the cells. From least serious (slow growing or Grade 1 to the fastest growing and most dangerous or grade 5). The first number is the most common pattern seen and the second number the next most common. So a 4+3 is more serious than 3+4 even though they both are Gleason 7. So the slowest is a score of 2 and the fastest is a 10.
  • 12. The higher the PSA the lower the Cure Rate
  • 13. The higher the PSA the lower the Cure Rate PSA Level Relapsed after Radiation 0.1 to 4 4% 4 to 10 7% 10 to 20 22% 20 - 50 48% over 50 67%
  • 14. Average Life Expectancy for a Man in the US 2015 Data Current Age Average Years Left 50 – 54 30.2 55 – 59 26 60 – 64 22.1 65 – 69 18.3 70 – 74 14.8 75 – 79 11.6 80 – 84 8.7 85 + 6.2 WHO Data apps.who.int/gho/data/view.main.61780?lang=en Life expectancy can be adjusted using the physician’s assessment of over all health Top quartile : add 50% Lowest quartile: subtract 50%
  • 15. Social Security Data ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4 c6.html Age Life Expectancy Age Life Expectancy Life expectancy can be adjusted using the physician’s assessment of over all health Top quartile : add 50% Lowest quartile: subtract 50%
  • 16. Life Expectancy for Men By QuartilesYears Age
  • 17. Median survival (half will liver shorter and half will live longer)
  • 18. Treatment Recommendations O (Observation) AS (Active Surveillance) Radiation (EBRT external beam or Brachytherapy seeds) RP (radical prostatectomy, i.e. surgery)
  • 19. Definition of Non Treatment from the NCCN Observation: monitor until symptoms develop or are imminent (ie. PSA > 10) and then start palliative hormone therapy Active Surveillance: check every 6 months and if disease progression consider curative treatment Monitor: PSA every 6 to 12 months, DRE every 12 months, MRI-US fusion may improve accuracy of biopsy Consider repeat biopsy: if DRE progression, MRI more aggressive disease, rising PSA Used to be called ‘Watchful Waiting’
  • 20. Selected Active Surveillance Experience in North America Center Toronto Hopkins UCSF UCSF (newer) Number 993 1298 321 810 Median Age 68 66 63 62 Median Follow Up 77 mos 60 mos 43 mos 60 mos Overall Survival 80% (10y) 93% (10y) 98% (10y) 98% (5y) Cancer Spec Surv 98% (10y) 99.9% (10y) 100% (5y) Convert to Treat 36.5% (10y) 50% (10y) 24% (3y) 40% (5y) NCCN 2018 Review
  • 21. Selected Active Surveillance Experience in North America Center Toronto Hopkins UCSF UCSF (newer) Number 993 1298 321 810 Median Age 68 66 63 62 Median Follow Up 77 mos 60 mos 43 mos 60 mos Overall Survival 80% (10y) 93% (10y) 98% (10y) 98% (5y) Cancer Spec Sur 98% (10y) 99.9% (10y) 100% (5y) Convert to Treat 36.5% (10y) 50% (10y) 24% (3y) 40% (5y) NCCN 2018 Review
  • 22. Selected Active Surveillance Experience in North America Center Toronto Hopkins UCSF UCSF (newer) Number 993 1298 321 810 Median Age 68 66 63 62 Median Follow Up 77 mos 60 mos 43 mos 60 mos Overall Survival 80% (10y) 93% (10y) 98% (10y) 98% (5y) Cancer Spec Sur 98% (10y) 99.9% (10y) 100% (5y) Convert to Treat 36.5% (10y) 50% (10y) 24% (3y) 40% (5y) NCCN 2018 Review
  • 23. Risk Groups from the NCCN Very Low Stage T1c and Gleason Group 1 PSA < 10 Volume less than 3 biopsy fragments + and < 50% cancer per fragment PSA density < 0.15
  • 24. Very Low Risk Short Life Expectancy (less than 10 years, older than 76) then just observation Younger (> 10 years life expectancy) then active surveillance Really young (20 years expectancy, 62 or younger) then along with surveillance you can consider surgery or radiation
  • 25. Risk Groups from the NCCN Low Stage T1 – T2a and Gleason Group 1 (volume higher) PSA < 10 Consider genomic testing
  • 26. Low Risk Older (< 10 year life expectancy, over 76) observation Younger (10+ years , less than 76 ) consider active surveillance or surgery or radiation
  • 27. Risk Groups from the NCCN Favorable Intermediate Stage T2b – T2c or Gleason Group 2 PSA < 10 Consider genomic testing
  • 28. Favorable Intermediate Risk Older (< 10 y, over 76) observation or radiation Younger (10+ y, less than 76) then active surveillance or surgery or radiation
  • 29. Risk Groups from the NCCN Unfavorable Intermediate Stage T2b – T2c or Gleason Group 2 or 3 or PSA 10 - 20
  • 30. Unfavorable Intermediate Risk Older (< 10 y, over 76) observation or radiation + hormones (4-6 mos) Younger (10+ y, less than 76) then active surveillance or surgery or radiation + hormones
  • 31. Risk Groups from the NCCN High Stage T3a or Gleason Group 4 or 5 or PSA > 20
  • 32. Risk Groups from the NCCN Very High Stage T3b – T4 or Gleason Pattern 5 or Volume > 4 cores with Gleason group 4 or 5
  • 33. High Risk or Very High Old (less than 5 years, or 87) then observation Younger (less than 87y) then surgery or radiation + hormones (2 – 3 years)
  • 34. In 2018 the NCCN Included Genomics in the Decision Process
  • 36. Genomic test evaluates the activity of genes in the tumor that are shown to be involved in the development and progression of prostate cancer.
  • 38.
  • 39.
  • 40. The 46-gene expression signature includes cell cycle progression genes selected based upon correlation with prostate tumor cell proliferation: low gene expression associated with a low risk of disease progression high gene expression associated with disease progression
  • 41. Genomics Risk Score from Prolaris
  • 42.
  • 43.
  • 44. Development and Validation of a Novel Integrated Clinical- Genomic Risk Group Classification for Localized Prostate Cancer New scoring system that combined the NNCN with Decipher Score Spratt Journal of Clinical Oncology 36, no. 6, 2018
  • 45. Which is more Predictive of Outcome, the NCCN grouping or Genomics? Group NCCN Decipher low 7.3% 3.5% intermediate 29.4% favorable intermed. 9.2% Unfavorable intermed. 38.0% high 39.5% 54.6% 10 Year Metastatic Risk Probability Spratt Journal of Clinical Oncology 36, no. 6 (February 2018)
  • 46. Risk of Metastases using Combined System Spratt Journal of Clinical Oncology 36, no. 6, 2018 Clear separation between risk groups and outcome
  • 47. Risk of Metastases using Combined System Most of the problems don’t show up until after 5 years
  • 48. Risk of Metastases using Combined System 10 Year Risk of Mets Very-low 3.1% Low 3.7% Favor Intermed 25.9% Unfav Intermed 31.7% High 49.7% Very High 61.9% Spratt Journal of Clinical Oncology 36, no. 6, 2018
  • 49. 10 Year Risk of Metastases Very-low 3.1% Low 3.7% Favor Intermed 25.9% Unfav Intermed 31.7% High 49.7% Very High 61.9% How is this Helpful? Do Less Therapy Do More Therapy Do A lot More Therapy Bone mets
  • 50. Risk of Prostate Specific Mortality using Combined System 10 Year Risk of Mortality Low Risk 2% Intermediate 10.7% High Risk 27.3% Spratt Journal of Clinical Oncology 36, no. 6, 2018
  • 51. Risk of Prostate Specific Mortality using Combined System Most of the deaths don’t show up until 10 to 15 years later
  • 52. 66.6% of patients classified by the NCCN six-tier system would be reclassified using the new six-tier clinical-genomic risk groups Spratt Journal of Clinical Oncology 36, no. 6, 2018
  • 53. After Genomics 44% Low Risk (? Over treating) 28% Favorable Intermediate 27% Unfavorable Intermediate (? Undertreating) Favorable Intermediate / Based on NCCN
  • 54. Prostate Calculators Prostate Cancer Nomograms mskcc.org/nomograms/prostate Male Life Expectancy and Watchful Waiting
  • 56. aboutcancer.com/prostate_calc_main_page Go to this site for more prostate cancer calculators
  • 57. For more information go to aboutcancer.com or the video site at: aboutcancer.com/you_tube_videos.htm or the YouTube site at: youtube.com/user/robertmillermd/videos