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GLUE
Making the Best of A STICKY Situation
Duane McGuire – PTG Technical Institute 2018 – Lancaster PA
WE GATHER TO TALK ABOUT GLUE!
PRESENTATION OUTLINE
● Glue Properties
● Glue Chemistry
● Classes of Glues
● Destructive Testing
● Details by Class
● An Epic Glue Up
GLUE PROPERTIES
Strength Clamp Time Workability
Tackiness Cure Time Gap filling capability
Shelf Life Creep Toxicity
Pot Life Reversibility Water content
Open Time Stain-ability Heat resistance
Longevity Handling Cleanup
Cost Health & Safety
WHY DOES GLUE STICK?
• Dude, it's chemistry.
•
PRESENTER’S QUALIFICATIONS
WHY DOES GLUE STICK?
• Tiny molecules band together to form big
stringy molecules called polymers.
Polymers stick stuff via:
● Mechanical Adhesion
● Chemical Adhesion
● Electrostatic Adhesion
● (It's a miracle)
CLASSES OF GLUES
• Natural
● Hot Hide
● Cold Hide
● Fish
● Casein
• Synthetic
● PVA
● PVC-e
● Urea Resin
● Epoxy
● Polyurethane
● Contact Cement
● Cyanoacrylate
DESTRUCTIVE TESTING AKA EMPIRICAL
ANALYSIS
(Boys and girls
know how to
have fun)
CYANOACRYLATE (CA)
CYANOACRYLATE (CA)
●Zero water content
●Sets in 30 seconds to 5 minutes
●May be accelerated
●Cures by exothermic reaction (it gets hot!)
●Brittle
●Bonds skin (Acetone is a de-bonder)
●Fumes are noxious
●Glue squirted in eyes causes permanent vision damage!
NATURAL GLUES
HOT HIDE GLUE
●Easier to use than you think
●Difficult to use for field work
●Cures by phase shift (think solder)
●Completely reversible forever
●May be repaired by re-constituting
●Liquifies at 140 degrees Farenheit
●Viscosity may be adjusted by user
●Strength is reduced each time the
phase is changed
●Quick set time – seconds to
minutes
●Set time may be increased by
warming the room and/or material
●Non-toxic
GLUE POT FOR SMALL BATCHES
GLUE POT OPTIONS
COLD HIDE AND FISH GLUES
●Properties similar to hot hide glue
●Lower strength
●Shelf life of 1 year +/-
●Fish glue has higher initial tack than cold hide glue
PVC-E
●Polyvinyl Cloride Emulsion
●Available from Pianotek and Schaff
●Formulated for gluing new keytops
●Works well with cloth
●Cleans up with water
●Dries in 10-30 minutes
●Residue rubs off nicely for many hours
PVA GLUES
• Polyvinyl Acetate
MORE PVA
● Bolduc Acoustic Wood Glue
● Mentioned in literature:
● Franklin Titebond 50
● Franklin Assembly 65
● (But apparently only
● available in large
● quantities)
PVA CHARACTERISTICS
● Relatively safe
● Relatively inexpensive
● Generally flexible (has some creep)
● Long shelf life – except the expensive stuff
● First choice for permanent wood joints that are not reversible
● Poor heat resistance. Gums up when sanding.
● Polymerizes as water content evaporates
MORE PVA CHARACTERISTICS
● Open assembly time 5-30 minutes
● Clamp time 20 – 90 minutes
● Water cleanup
● Reversible with heat for several days
● Reversible with water for 2 to 6 weeks
PVA BOLDUC
● High solids content
● Low creep
● Sands well
● Recommended and tested by Bolduc for soundboard, rib,
and pinblock applications
TITEBOND THICK & QUICK
●No run. No drip.
●Hammer hanging
●Bridle straps
●Hammer spring loops
EPOXY
•Fussy to mix
•Long set time
•Good gap filler
•Resistant to water
•Low heat resistance
•West System epoxy builds in success
•Toxic
•Long shelf life
UREA RESIN
•Rigid, creep resistant
•Two Part System (liquid resin,
powdered catalyst)
•Short shelf life
•Cures hard
•Dulls tools quickly
•Sands well
•Good heat resistance
•Toxic!
POLYURETHANE
•Open time 10 to 40 minutes
•Clamp time 45 minutes to 10 hours
•Cured glue pares, scrapes or
machines well
•Clean up with alcohol or acetone
•Fills gaps, but does it weakly
•Contains di-isocyanate
compounds which may acutely
irritate skin and respiratory
tract.
FASTCAP ULTRA BOND TAPE
• This is not you grandma’s double stick tape.
• Great for quick jig construction
• Gets stronger over a period of days
• Nice for applying ecsaine to music desks
From the vendor:
•Ultra bond transfer adhesive that is like contact cement on a roll
•High quality adhesive in a peel and stick roll
•Great for applying to veneers and laminates
AN EPIC GLUE UP
GENERAL RESOURCES
● Fine Woodworking - A working Guide to Glues
● Chemistry Explained – Adhesives
● Wikipedia: List of Glues
● “Hide Glue”, the book by Stephen A Shepherd
WEB RESOURCES FOR MODERN GLUES
● Lee Valley Polyurethane Adhesive Guide
● Popular Woodworking - The Truth about Polyurethane Glue
● Wikipedia: Polyvinyl acetate (PVA)
● Wikipedia: Cyanoacrylate (CA)
● Hot Stuff CA glue guide
WEB RESOURCES FOR HIDE GLUE
● Vince Mrykalo - Hot Hide Glue
● Facts About Hot Hide Glue from a player piano guy
● Lee Valley - Using Hide Glue
● Lee Valley - Hide Glue Technical
Duane McGuire
tuner@mcguirepiano.com
https://www.mcguirepiano.com
801-896-4123
Clinton, UT
Salt Lake City Chapter, PTG
THIS PRESENTATION:
https://www.mcguirepiano.com/glue
Contact
That's what I've got to say about glue.
Hope it sticks!

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Glue for Piano Technicians

  • 1. GLUE Making the Best of A STICKY Situation Duane McGuire – PTG Technical Institute 2018 – Lancaster PA
  • 2.
  • 3. WE GATHER TO TALK ABOUT GLUE!
  • 4. PRESENTATION OUTLINE ● Glue Properties ● Glue Chemistry ● Classes of Glues ● Destructive Testing ● Details by Class ● An Epic Glue Up
  • 5. GLUE PROPERTIES Strength Clamp Time Workability Tackiness Cure Time Gap filling capability Shelf Life Creep Toxicity Pot Life Reversibility Water content Open Time Stain-ability Heat resistance Longevity Handling Cleanup Cost Health & Safety
  • 6.
  • 7. WHY DOES GLUE STICK? • Dude, it's chemistry. •
  • 9. WHY DOES GLUE STICK? • Tiny molecules band together to form big stringy molecules called polymers. Polymers stick stuff via: ● Mechanical Adhesion ● Chemical Adhesion ● Electrostatic Adhesion ● (It's a miracle)
  • 10. CLASSES OF GLUES • Natural ● Hot Hide ● Cold Hide ● Fish ● Casein • Synthetic ● PVA ● PVC-e ● Urea Resin ● Epoxy ● Polyurethane ● Contact Cement ● Cyanoacrylate
  • 11.
  • 12. DESTRUCTIVE TESTING AKA EMPIRICAL ANALYSIS (Boys and girls know how to have fun)
  • 14. CYANOACRYLATE (CA) ●Zero water content ●Sets in 30 seconds to 5 minutes ●May be accelerated ●Cures by exothermic reaction (it gets hot!) ●Brittle ●Bonds skin (Acetone is a de-bonder) ●Fumes are noxious ●Glue squirted in eyes causes permanent vision damage!
  • 16. HOT HIDE GLUE ●Easier to use than you think ●Difficult to use for field work ●Cures by phase shift (think solder) ●Completely reversible forever ●May be repaired by re-constituting ●Liquifies at 140 degrees Farenheit ●Viscosity may be adjusted by user ●Strength is reduced each time the phase is changed ●Quick set time – seconds to minutes ●Set time may be increased by warming the room and/or material ●Non-toxic
  • 17. GLUE POT FOR SMALL BATCHES
  • 19. COLD HIDE AND FISH GLUES ●Properties similar to hot hide glue ●Lower strength ●Shelf life of 1 year +/- ●Fish glue has higher initial tack than cold hide glue
  • 20. PVC-E ●Polyvinyl Cloride Emulsion ●Available from Pianotek and Schaff ●Formulated for gluing new keytops ●Works well with cloth ●Cleans up with water ●Dries in 10-30 minutes ●Residue rubs off nicely for many hours
  • 22. MORE PVA ● Bolduc Acoustic Wood Glue ● Mentioned in literature: ● Franklin Titebond 50 ● Franklin Assembly 65 ● (But apparently only ● available in large ● quantities)
  • 23. PVA CHARACTERISTICS ● Relatively safe ● Relatively inexpensive ● Generally flexible (has some creep) ● Long shelf life – except the expensive stuff ● First choice for permanent wood joints that are not reversible ● Poor heat resistance. Gums up when sanding. ● Polymerizes as water content evaporates
  • 24. MORE PVA CHARACTERISTICS ● Open assembly time 5-30 minutes ● Clamp time 20 – 90 minutes ● Water cleanup ● Reversible with heat for several days ● Reversible with water for 2 to 6 weeks
  • 25. PVA BOLDUC ● High solids content ● Low creep ● Sands well ● Recommended and tested by Bolduc for soundboard, rib, and pinblock applications
  • 26. TITEBOND THICK & QUICK ●No run. No drip. ●Hammer hanging ●Bridle straps ●Hammer spring loops
  • 27. EPOXY •Fussy to mix •Long set time •Good gap filler •Resistant to water •Low heat resistance •West System epoxy builds in success •Toxic •Long shelf life
  • 28. UREA RESIN •Rigid, creep resistant •Two Part System (liquid resin, powdered catalyst) •Short shelf life •Cures hard •Dulls tools quickly •Sands well •Good heat resistance •Toxic!
  • 29. POLYURETHANE •Open time 10 to 40 minutes •Clamp time 45 minutes to 10 hours •Cured glue pares, scrapes or machines well •Clean up with alcohol or acetone •Fills gaps, but does it weakly •Contains di-isocyanate compounds which may acutely irritate skin and respiratory tract.
  • 30. FASTCAP ULTRA BOND TAPE • This is not you grandma’s double stick tape. • Great for quick jig construction • Gets stronger over a period of days • Nice for applying ecsaine to music desks From the vendor: •Ultra bond transfer adhesive that is like contact cement on a roll •High quality adhesive in a peel and stick roll •Great for applying to veneers and laminates
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  • 42. GENERAL RESOURCES ● Fine Woodworking - A working Guide to Glues ● Chemistry Explained – Adhesives ● Wikipedia: List of Glues ● “Hide Glue”, the book by Stephen A Shepherd
  • 43. WEB RESOURCES FOR MODERN GLUES ● Lee Valley Polyurethane Adhesive Guide ● Popular Woodworking - The Truth about Polyurethane Glue ● Wikipedia: Polyvinyl acetate (PVA) ● Wikipedia: Cyanoacrylate (CA) ● Hot Stuff CA glue guide
  • 44. WEB RESOURCES FOR HIDE GLUE ● Vince Mrykalo - Hot Hide Glue ● Facts About Hot Hide Glue from a player piano guy ● Lee Valley - Using Hide Glue ● Lee Valley - Hide Glue Technical
  • 45. Duane McGuire tuner@mcguirepiano.com https://www.mcguirepiano.com 801-896-4123 Clinton, UT Salt Lake City Chapter, PTG THIS PRESENTATION: https://www.mcguirepiano.com/glue Contact
  • 46. That's what I've got to say about glue. Hope it sticks!