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To Estimate Or Not To
Estimate?
Startit, 4. april 2019
MeetUp #6
Šta se krije iza ove dileme?
● Procene su nam neophodne
● Tačne procene nisu moguće
“A predictable outcome is one of the most sought-after goals in any business or
initiative.”
Estimates vs #NoEstimates
If we must estimate, what are the best ways to do so?
What are ways to provide information that management wants, with reasonable
accuracy and in a way that leads them to discover that they can live without
conventional estimates? Can they?
Šta procenjujemo?
● the amount of work we can do in a given time
● the amount of time we need to accomplish something
Time for what? Big goals? Value? Scope?
Time for what? Strategic goals? Action plans?
A predictable outcome is one of the most
sought-after goals in any business or
initiative. It’s easy to see why.
Why? To make better decisions?
● fixed scope?
○ fidelity?
○ quality?
○ business value?
● fixed delivery date
● fixed budget
Matt’s NoEstimates Manifesto
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Triangulacija
1/2/3 5/8/13
Estimating, Planning, Forcasting
The Traditional Way
The Agile Way
Backlog Refinement = Gold Refinement
Izdvajanje zlata iz šljake
Odvajanje žita od kukulja
Story Funnel
Kada?
● Backlog Refinement: fokus na
razumevanje i konsenzus
○ Estimates u funkciji
○ POJAŠNJENJA (Koliko
je jasno?)
○ SITNJENJA (Koliko je
veliko?)
● Mini rokovi: fokus na vrednost
Measuring the progress
● How much we can do in a given timebox?
● How much time we need for the given scope?
Estimation by effort
● SYSTEM 1:
○ Fast, automatic, frequent,
emotional, stereotypic,
subconscious
○ Estimation by Effort
● SYSTEM 2:
○ Slow, effortful, infrequent,
logical, calculating, conscious
○ Estimation by Time
System 1
How the mind works | Daniel Kahneman
@Google Presents: Daniel Kahneman
Fast Lines
Poređajte se po:
● visini
● broju cipela
● dužini kose
● datumu rođenja
A piece of advice
If simple or complicated - analyse & calculate
If complex - predict by intuition, decompose, clarify, then
calculate
If chaotic - don’t bother :)
Cynefin Model
Šta procenjujemo?
Effort?
Complexity?
Time?
Planning Poker
The discussion in the estimation round is a great
source of knowledge as estimated tasks are
more detailed and easier to be understood by
team members. Combine such estimation with
breakage of the backlog items into subtasks.
12 angry men
Why estimate? Meaningful conversations?
Estimation by hours?
Fibonacci
Why Do We Use
Fibonacci Numbers
to Estimate User
Stories?
T-shirt sizes
Lunar logic: Estimate to sort out and clarify
So here it is. The no bullshit estimation deck that
sustains valuable conversations about the complexity
and uncertainty whilst at the same time renders
discussions on whether something is worth 8 or 5 story
points utterly irrelevant.
https://estimation.lunarlogic.io
Less is more
Given that it takes time and it is tiring
● estimate quickly and talk
● quickly talk and estimate, repete
If small and clear - do it
If bigger than small - ask for further
clarification and decomposition
Accurate Estimates vs. Actual Time
● Hours (Just for Tasks/Repetitive tasks)
● Relative estimates (Just for User Stories)
○ Story Points
○ T-Shirt Sizes
● #NoEstimates
● Time tracking
● Velocity in Story Points
● Number of tickets done
You can't step twice into the same river
Velocity?
“The main idea behind velocity is to help teams estimate how
much work they can complete in a given time period based
on how quickly similar work was previously completed”.
Hours?
When estimating in hours you focus on answering the
question "How long it may take us?". So basically it's more or
less guessing, based on your previous experience.
Points?
When estimating in points you focus on relative sizes or
complexity of estimated tasks/stories/whatever. So you
usually take some of your tasks and apply one of the point
values to them, and later, for each other task, you try to
answer the question "How big is it in relation to those I've
already estimated".
NoEstimates?
The key thing about points estimation is that you need
to actually measure how the estimates relate to time.
After some initial time in the project (especially when
you start with point estimations) you learn how many
points you are able to deliver in each iteration or fixed
period of time. This gives you the basis for planning the
future releases.
Why estimate? Why track?
● Planning
● Forecasting
● Meaningful discussion
● Learn
● Show evidence for time and material
projects (i.e. get paid)
● Internal operational efficiency
How long vs. How much
Agile is about How much
Rough estimates in Story Points
One can suffice with a draft estimated
timeframe.
Keep in mind the waste-value balance, though.
Mike Cohn, Agile Estimating and Planning
Further Reading
Preporuka za čitanje
Steve McConnel, Software Estimation: Demystifying the Black Art
To Estimte or Not to Estimate
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To Estimate or Not To Estimate + #(No)Estimates Game

  • 1. To Estimate Or Not To Estimate? Startit, 4. april 2019 MeetUp #6
  • 2. Šta se krije iza ove dileme? ● Procene su nam neophodne ● Tačne procene nisu moguće “A predictable outcome is one of the most sought-after goals in any business or initiative.”
  • 3. Estimates vs #NoEstimates If we must estimate, what are the best ways to do so? What are ways to provide information that management wants, with reasonable accuracy and in a way that leads them to discover that they can live without conventional estimates? Can they?
  • 4. Šta procenjujemo? ● the amount of work we can do in a given time ● the amount of time we need to accomplish something
  • 5. Time for what? Big goals? Value? Scope?
  • 6. Time for what? Strategic goals? Action plans? A predictable outcome is one of the most sought-after goals in any business or initiative. It’s easy to see why.
  • 7. Why? To make better decisions? ● fixed scope? ○ fidelity? ○ quality? ○ business value? ● fixed delivery date ● fixed budget
  • 9. Poređajte knjige po veličini Poređajte knjige po veličini: 1) Rat i mir 2) Andrić - Sabrana dela (20 knjiga) 3) Enciklopedija Britanika 4) Moja velika knjiga 5) Hari Poter i kamen mudrosti (245) 6) Rečnik Matice srpske 7) Ginisova knjiga rekorda (256) 8) 501 destinacija koju morate posetiti (546)
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  • 31. Backlog Refinement = Gold Refinement Izdvajanje zlata iz šljake Odvajanje žita od kukulja
  • 33. Kada? ● Backlog Refinement: fokus na razumevanje i konsenzus ○ Estimates u funkciji ○ POJAŠNJENJA (Koliko je jasno?) ○ SITNJENJA (Koliko je veliko?) ● Mini rokovi: fokus na vrednost
  • 34. Measuring the progress ● How much we can do in a given timebox? ● How much time we need for the given scope?
  • 35. Estimation by effort ● SYSTEM 1: ○ Fast, automatic, frequent, emotional, stereotypic, subconscious ○ Estimation by Effort ● SYSTEM 2: ○ Slow, effortful, infrequent, logical, calculating, conscious ○ Estimation by Time
  • 37. How the mind works | Daniel Kahneman @Google Presents: Daniel Kahneman
  • 38. Fast Lines Poređajte se po: ● visini ● broju cipela ● dužini kose ● datumu rođenja
  • 39. A piece of advice If simple or complicated - analyse & calculate If complex - predict by intuition, decompose, clarify, then calculate If chaotic - don’t bother :)
  • 43. The discussion in the estimation round is a great source of knowledge as estimated tasks are more detailed and easier to be understood by team members. Combine such estimation with breakage of the backlog items into subtasks. 12 angry men
  • 44. Why estimate? Meaningful conversations?
  • 47. Why Do We Use Fibonacci Numbers to Estimate User Stories?
  • 49. Lunar logic: Estimate to sort out and clarify So here it is. The no bullshit estimation deck that sustains valuable conversations about the complexity and uncertainty whilst at the same time renders discussions on whether something is worth 8 or 5 story points utterly irrelevant. https://estimation.lunarlogic.io
  • 50. Less is more Given that it takes time and it is tiring ● estimate quickly and talk ● quickly talk and estimate, repete If small and clear - do it If bigger than small - ask for further clarification and decomposition
  • 51. Accurate Estimates vs. Actual Time ● Hours (Just for Tasks/Repetitive tasks) ● Relative estimates (Just for User Stories) ○ Story Points ○ T-Shirt Sizes ● #NoEstimates ● Time tracking ● Velocity in Story Points ● Number of tickets done
  • 52. You can't step twice into the same river Velocity? “The main idea behind velocity is to help teams estimate how much work they can complete in a given time period based on how quickly similar work was previously completed”. Hours? When estimating in hours you focus on answering the question "How long it may take us?". So basically it's more or less guessing, based on your previous experience. Points? When estimating in points you focus on relative sizes or complexity of estimated tasks/stories/whatever. So you usually take some of your tasks and apply one of the point values to them, and later, for each other task, you try to answer the question "How big is it in relation to those I've already estimated". NoEstimates? The key thing about points estimation is that you need to actually measure how the estimates relate to time. After some initial time in the project (especially when you start with point estimations) you learn how many points you are able to deliver in each iteration or fixed period of time. This gives you the basis for planning the future releases.
  • 53. Why estimate? Why track? ● Planning ● Forecasting ● Meaningful discussion ● Learn ● Show evidence for time and material projects (i.e. get paid) ● Internal operational efficiency
  • 54. How long vs. How much
  • 55. Agile is about How much Rough estimates in Story Points One can suffice with a draft estimated timeframe. Keep in mind the waste-value balance, though.
  • 56. Mike Cohn, Agile Estimating and Planning
  • 58. Preporuka za čitanje Steve McConnel, Software Estimation: Demystifying the Black Art
  • 59. To Estimte or Not to Estimate

Editor's Notes

  1. Pepa ide u biblioteku Hari Poter i kamen mudrosti (245) Ginisova knjiga rekorda (256) 501 destinacija koju morate posetiti (546) Rat i mir (896) Andrić - Sabrana dela (20 knjiga) Enciklopedija Britanika (32 knjige)
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  10. Tradicionalno: menadžment, rok Agilno: vrednost, mini rokovi JIT Agilni ugovori