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Talking to Humans:
The Art of Customer Discovery
Frank Rimalovski
Executive Director, NYU Entrepreneurial Institute
Instructor, NSF I-Corps
November 17, 2015
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Customer Development
Test assumptions
about customer
needs/problem &
develop MVPs
Seek validation that
people are
interested in your
product/ solution
Begins to build
demand & improve
efficiency of
customer
acquisition
Drive growth
aggressively
& execute
business model
@NYUEntrepreneur
Why are we here?
Share ideas, tips, tricks and
secrets on how to best do
customer discovery
@NYUEntrepreneur
“You can’t just
ask customers
what they want
and then try to
give that to
them.”
@NYUEntrepreneur
“New ideas come
from watching
something, talk(ing)
to people,
experimenting,
asking questions
and getting out of
the office!”
@NYUEntrepreneur
Hypotheses & the BMC
Hypothesis
Hypothesis
Hypothesis
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Hypothesis
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Hypothesis
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Hypothesis
@NYUEntrepreneur
More than half
of your assumptions
are wrong!
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@NYUEntrepreneur
Your job is not to
validate your product…
Your job is not to
validate your product…
It’s to validate the
problem and how best to
solve it?
@NYUEntrepreneur
Customer Discovery
Apply the scientific method to
business model development
Modify
hypothesis
Observe
phenomena
Formulate
hypothesis
Test
hypothesis via
rigorous
experiments
Establish
theory based
on repeated
validation of
results
PIVOT!
@NYUEntrepreneur
Create Valid Hypotheses
 Hypotheses must be falsifiable
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“Our product will spread
through word of mouth.”
“our viral coefficient over the
next 12 months will be >0.5”
@NYUEntrepreneur
Create Valid Hypotheses
 Hypotheses must be falsifiable
 Be specific (quantifiable)
 You must avoid validation
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“people want to buy my
product”
@NYUEntrepreneur
Create Valid Hypotheses
 Hypotheses must be falsifiable
 Be specific (quantifiable)
 You must avoid validation
 Inverse hypothesis cannot be
ridiculous
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“people want to save money”
@NYUEntrepreneur
Talk to Humans!
 GOTB: The #1
lesson of this talk
 In person is best
 You must gain
insight into your
customer & market
 You are doing pattern recognition…
Must have sufficient data points to see
2B. Story
@NYUEntrepreneur
Who do you want to learn from?3A. Who Do You Want To Learn From (Inked)
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Who Cares?
@NYUEntrepreneur
Meet People You Don’t Know
 People you know will be nice and tell you
what you want to hear
 Those interviews are possibly harmful
 People you don’t know have no
relationship to protect…Only they will tell
you the truth
@NYUEntrepreneur
@NYUEntrepreneur
What do you want to learn?4D. What Do You Want To Learn
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@NYUEntrepreneur
What do you want to learn?
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@NYUEntrepreneur
Don’t Assume
You Understand
the Problem!
@NYUEntrepreneur
Don’t Assume You
Understand the Problem!
@NYUEntrepreneur
What do you want to learn?
 Do not sell! No demos! No presos!
 You are there to learn!
 Get stories, not speculation
 Ask open-ended questions
 Learn about their problems and how they solve
them today
 Ask why? Then why? They why again!
 Create a guide (not a script)
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@NYUEntrepreneur
Finding Interview Subjects5A. How Do You Find Your Interview Subjects (Inked)
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@NYUEntrepreneur
Finding Interview Subjects
 At least one degree of separation
 Learn to love LinkedIn
 Make referrals happen
 Get creative…recruiting hacks
 Fish where the fish are…
 …In the wild
 Promise to be brief
 Enterprise customers are people too!
 Play the student/researcher card
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@NYUEntrepreneur
Ensuring Effective Interviews6B. How To Ensure An Effective Session (Draft)
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@NYUEntrepreneur
Ensuring Effective Interviews
 Beware of confirmation bias
 Do it in person, one at a time
 Get subjects to tell a story
 Look for solution hacks
 Understand their priorities
 Follow your nose & drill down
 Listen and STFU!
 Have someone take notes
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@NYUEntrepreneur
Pro Tips
 Practice, practice, practice
 NO email, focus groups or surveys
 Don’t start with your dream customer
 Being an entrepreneur means being aggressive
& persistent
 Flatter subjects
 Be transparent
 Follow up/stay in touch
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@NYUEntrepreneur28
“It's grueling
listening to
customer
feedback. And if
it isn't, you're
probably
doing it
wrong."
@NYUEntrepreneur
Exercise
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@NYUEntrepreneur
Your Last >$100 Purchase
1. Write description of item on top of page
2. Find a partner next to you & swap pages
3. Create interview guide: ~5 questions
 Explain what you bought and why?
 What was the process from desire to acquisition?
 What other options/alternatives did you consider?
 How did you decide to buy it? Who/what did you consult?
 How did you decide where to buy it?
4. 5 minute interview…take notes
5. Switch
@NYUEntrepreneur
Discuss:
Observations,
challenges &
questions
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@NYUEntrepreneur
Documenting Interviews
 Assign someone to take notes
 Write down key a-ha’s as they happen
 Note questions that worked & use them
again!
 Take pictures or videos!
 Capture key insights
@NYUEntrepreneur
Making Sense of What You Learn7B. How Do You Make Sense Of What You Learn
(Draft)
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Gaining Insight
 Facts are interesting…Insights are your goal
 Be honest…Don’t be too quick to validate or too
slow to disprove your hypothesis
 Find the hidden motivations
 Ask why? And why? Then why again?
 Don’t fear picking the wrong market
 Depth of understanding always leads to insight
@NYUEntrepreneur
What’s an insight?
(the a-ha’s along your journey)
@NYUEntrepreneur
in•sight |ˈinˌsīt|
noun
the capacity to gain an
accurate and deep intuitive
understanding of a person or
thing
something you’re so excited
about you tell strangers on
the train
@NYUEntrepreneur
Learning Is Paramount
 The knowledge you gain in customer
discovery is critical to the success or failure
of your business
 >Half of your assumptions are wrong
 You must not try to validate what you already
think or want to be true
@NYUEntrepreneur
Pro Tips v2
 Focus on actual behavior, not speculative or
abstract feelings
 If they’ve made an MVP…ask to see it!
 Listen, don’t talk
 Parrot back or misrepresent to confirm
 Ask for introductions
 Write up your notes ASAP
 Avoid premature conclusions
@NYUEntrepreneur
Customer Discovery Resources
bit.ly/llpcdvstalkingtohumans.com
@NYUEntrepreneur
Questions?
fbr4@nyu.edu
@rimalovski
entrepreneur.nyu.edu
16 Washington Place, NYC
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