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Concurrent Session 
11/8/2012 3:45 PM 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

"Agile at Scale with Scrum:
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly"
 
 
 

Presented by:
Heather Gray, Cisco Systems
Steven Spearman, AgileEvolution
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Heather Gray
Cisco Systems
Heather Gray was introduced to agile when the senior vice president of her organization issued
a mandate to “Be Agile.” That mandate was the start of an occupational awakening beginning
first with an understanding of what agile meant and then rolling out agile practices across her
large organization. Heather has worked for the past eighteen years with software development
teams using strict waterfall process, no process at all, and now finally agile practices. Her most
recent role was senior manager for Cisco Systems' IP Communication Business Unit where, in
addition to managing the Program Management Office, she led the business unit’s
transformation to agile.
 
 
Steve Spearman
AgileEvolution
With more than thirty years of development experience, Steve Spearman brings a wealth of
real-world experience to his role as an Agile Coach and Trainer. With a background in
enterprise development, he enjoys the opportunity to help teams of any size succeed in their
own agile transitions. Steve is active in the Agile Denver and Agile Boulder communities. As a
reformed project manager and PMP, Steve is passionate about working with multiple PMI
chapters to roll out agile principles, teaching the PMI-Agile Certified Practitioner (ACP) prep
class, and volunteering with the PMI-ACP support team. Steve works with AgileEvolution and
can be reached at steve@agileevolution.com.
 
Agile at Scale with Scrum
The GOOD
GOOD, the 

, and the 

Steve Spearman

Heather Gray

steve@agileevolution.com

hgray@agileevolution.com
1

Why Make the Change?

Dante’s Inferno illustration, Botticelli circa 1640
2

1
The Overview…
Successful business unit 
at one of the world’s 
largest networking 
companies.
‘Mandated’ to BE AGILE!
Transitioned to Scrum in 
eighteen months. 
3

The BIG Picture…
The GOOD ‐ forty+ pilot teams , moved quickly 
and are rocking today. 

The 

‐ an adjacent part of the BU failed in 
its transition and failed in the market too…

The

‐ lots of challenges!

4

2
Learnings from Our Challenges
• Acquiring the RIGHT executive 
support.
• Moving away from component‐
based specialization.
• Finding the right people for the 
key roles.
• Forming and scaling teams.
• Shortening Our Integration Cycles
Our Integration Cycles.
• Handling the geographic 
challenges.
5

The Organization
• 6 Development locations
6 Development locations
– 4 US Time zones + India & China

•
•
•
•

> 400 Engineers
> 50 component teams
5 Major Product Lines
5 Major Product Lines
12‐18 month release cycles

6

3
High Level Approach
Vision / 
Mandate

Change Org & 
Inspect/Adapt Communication

Train & Coach 
Globally

Transition 
Team

Scale & Fill 
Key Roles

7

Executive Support

We had a
Mandate

So what’s the
Problem?

8

4
Forming Teams
Start with…                                the Matrix

9

Scaling Approach
Project
Core Team
AreaTeam 1

Area Team 2

AreaTeam 3

Sub Teams

AreaTeam 4

Sub Teams

Scrum Teams
Scrum Teams

Scrum Teams

Scrum Teams
10

5
Where Do We Find SM’s & PO’s?

11

What About Managers?
• Role confusion at first
• Self‐organizing versus 
self‐managing
• Eventual changes in 
span of control
• Managers can be PO’s
Managers can be PO’s 
and maybe even SM’s! 
(but only in certain places)
12

6
And Project Managers?
• Transition or disappear in 
some small organizations
ll
i ti
• Still critical in large ones
• Styles change
• A mix of old and new 
skills work best at the 
skills work best at the
project level

“It is not the strongest of the 
species that survive, nor the 
most intelligent, but the one 
most intelligent but the one
most responsive to change.”

13

Moving Away from Components

Our Specializations seemed as diverse as stars in the sky
14

7
Moving Away from Components

So we formed Scrums from diverse expertise areas
15

Moving Away from Components

Each Release, we ask Teams to expand knowledge a little
16

8
Moving Away from Components

Over time, teams’ capabilities grow but ownership stays stable
17

Meanwhile, On the Other Side of the 
Organization….

Agile is attempted …. As a Cargo Cult???
18

9
Other Transition Team Learnings

• Perils of Part timers
• Scrum ‐> Kanban
• Beware “Central Agile”
• Portfolio change is hard

• Synchronized sprints
• Automation

19

Scrum Teams Across 
Geographies

20

10
Integration Nightmares
The Problem
• Complex and very large 
builds 
– 2 days to get a build done 
and verified.

• Developed on 30+ branches 
creating ‘Integration hell’ 
upon collapse
ll
• Automated Regression took 
2 days with questionable 
coverage
21

Continuous Integration
The Answer
• D di
Dedicated a crack 
d
k
development team
– Got the build down to 4 hours 
in most cases
– Highly parallel builds & a 
server farm
– Reduced development 
branches to 1‐10 per release
branches to 1‐10 per release
– Reduced regression test to 16 
hours

• Same team helped 
automate testing
22

11
Automated Testing
The Automation Framework you use depends on what you are testing.   
We end up using all of these at some point:

23

The Business
Feature Driven

• Multiple priorities
• Massive releases
• No involvement 
after planning
• Constant change 
requests
• Feature Bloat

Customer Focus

• 1‐n priority list
• Part of the team
• New PBI to manage 
change
h
• Focus on providing 
value not content

Value Driven

• Actual customer 
engagement
• No CCB
24

12
Management
Customer Focus

Feature Driven

• Assigning Tasks
• Constant overtime
• 100%+ allocated
• Self organizing 
teams
• Dedicated teams

Value Driven

• Persistent teams
• Realistic 
commitments
• Innovation time
25

Engineering
Feature Driven

• Component based
Component based 
teams
• Big Serial phases
• Integration ‘hell'

Customer Focus

• Increasingly cross‐
functional teams
• Iterative 
development, 
smaller hand offs
• Continuous 
Integration

Value Driven

• True cross 
functional teams
functional teams
• TDD
• Collective code 
ownership
26

13
The PMO
Feature Driven

•
•
•
•
•
•

Customer Focus

Value Driven

Long planning cycles
Long planning cycles
Established process
Protecting the plan
• JIT planning
Fighting change
• Lower ceremony
Questionable visibility • Continual 
•
p
improvement
Crashing the path
Crashing the path
• Higher visibility
•
•

Minimally sufficient 
ceremony
Even more visibility
Value Stream 
Mapping
27

Where Did it End Up?
Never done, but….
OUR Team
“OUR” Team

The  Other Team
The “Other” Team

28

14
29

15

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