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John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
Engineering Influence 
Talking to Developers About Content 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_and_Venus_(Botticelli)
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
Q: How can you tell an extroverted engineer? 
A: When he talks to you, he looks 
at your shoes (instead of his own).
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
http://www.wix.com/blog/2010/11/web-designers-vs-web-developers-infographic-by-wix-com/
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
http://www.wix.com/blog/2010/11/web-designers-vs-web-developers-infographic-by-wix-com/
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
But we have to work 
together
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
“There is only one thing worse than going to war with 
allies . . . and that is going to war without them.” 
–Winston Churchill 
“You go to war with the army you have---not the army 
you might want or wish to have at a later time.” 
- Donald Rumsfeld
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
#blameEthan 
• We had this nice workflow 
worked out where we didn’t 
have to talk to each other. 
• Static wireframes with Lorem 
Ipsum -> Static comps with 
Lorem Ipsum -> Built out sites 
with Lorem Ipsum 
• Now have to think about 
multiple devices? Yikes 
• Designers and developers will 
have to talk.
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
#blameKaren 
• Content Strategists can’t 
ignore how things are built. 
• RWD itself doesn’t really 
answer the underlying 
question. 
• We’ll have to talk. Developers, 
Designers, and Content 
Strategists.
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
#blameSaraWB 
• Adaptive content? That’s a 
whole ‘nother layer 
• Content strategists, designers, 
and developers will not only 
have to talk but actually agree 
on goals and approaches
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
Engineers are People Too 
SIX WAYS TO MAKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU: 
1. Become genuinely interested in other people. 
2. Smile. 
3. Remember that a person’s name is to that 
person the sweetest and most important 
sound in any language. 
4. Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk 
about themselves. 
5. Talk in terms of the other person’s interests. 
6. Make the other person feel important—and 
do it sincerely.
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
Sincere Interest
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
Interest in the Platform 
• How is structured content managed? Can new 
content types be created / extended? How? 
• What’s the editor experience like, and how can it be 
customized? 
• How are templates / themes created and edited? 
• What is the team excited about on this platform, and 
what are their concerns?
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
Common Ground 
Shared Problems: 
• Lack of budget (time) 
• Weak/unclear strategy 
• Pointy-haired bosses 
• Shiny object syndrome 
• Scope creep 
• Migrate everything
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
http://www.superstitiousthoughts.com/news/?
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
1. Eliminate all privacy. 
2. Force push your own changes, 
without code review. 
3. Interrupt people regularly for 
status updates. 
4. Rush out software in 3 wks that 
needs 3 months 
5. Hire a “Sr. Architect” but make 
architectural decisions before 
they show up 
6. Change issue tracking software 
and means of communication 
regularly. 
7. When hiring, find people that 
have at least a two hour drive, 
[then] disallow working from 
home. 
8. One day, without notice, 
demand that everyone report to 
work an hour and a half earlier, 
starting the next day. 
9. Make sure everything is on fire 
all the time. 
10. Deny your team decent 
hardware. 
http://rustyrazorblade.com/2014/09/21-ways-to-minimize-employee-retention/
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
http://cheezburger.com/4223955712 
http://cheezburger.com/4047223552 
http://imgur.com/k3qeC#.TmF8K5SyKGE.tumblr 
http://loremipsumfails.tumblr.com/ 
post/17153602389/gojugo-one-more- 
reason-not-to-respect-jose
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
Common Ground 
Shared Problems: 
• Lack of budget (time) 
• Weak/unclear strategy 
• Pointy-haired bosses 
• Shiny object syndrome 
• Scope creep 
• Migrate everything 
Shared Goals: 
• Project success 
• Clear goals, set early 
• Long-term stability 
• Ongoing usage 
• Mastery and flow 
• Focus on impact
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
Content Models 
vs 
Data Models
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
http://www.sarawb.com/2011/06/30/content-first/
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
http://tutorial.shiksha360.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Database_Model_DiagramTitle.png
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
“Content is made of data in the same way 
music is made of notes” 
- me 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Autograph-Manuscript-BWV614.jpg
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
Making it Real 
• No design without content - ban lorem ipsum 
• No implementation of a CMS without understanding 
the “C” - structured content 
• Content strategy throughout the project lifecycle, 
including into maintenance & optimization 
• We’re here to help - to ensure that what gets built 
gets used, populated, and thrives
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
Enlisting Help 
• Avoid asking “Can the system do X?” 
• Instead, explore goals and desired features: 
• What’s the best way we could accomplish X? 
• What is it that makes doing X difficult on our 
platform? 
• What could we do to achieve the same goal that 
would be more in line with our architecture?
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
What’s in it for me? 
• Content audits help developers uncover 
requirements gaps 
• Content strategy provides leverage to push back on 
out of scope or irrational requests 
• Mediating / translating between users and 
developers (“I speak human and engineer”) 
• Nothing is more frustrating to developers than 
building & refining features that no one uses
John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 
Q & A 
John Eckman 
john.eckman@10up.com 
10up.com 
@jeckman

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Engineering Influence: Talking to Developers about Content

  • 1. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU Engineering Influence Talking to Developers About Content http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_and_Venus_(Botticelli)
  • 2. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU Q: How can you tell an extroverted engineer? A: When he talks to you, he looks at your shoes (instead of his own).
  • 3. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU http://www.wix.com/blog/2010/11/web-designers-vs-web-developers-infographic-by-wix-com/
  • 4. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU http://www.wix.com/blog/2010/11/web-designers-vs-web-developers-infographic-by-wix-com/
  • 5. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU But we have to work together
  • 6. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU “There is only one thing worse than going to war with allies . . . and that is going to war without them.” –Winston Churchill “You go to war with the army you have---not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.” - Donald Rumsfeld
  • 7. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU #blameEthan • We had this nice workflow worked out where we didn’t have to talk to each other. • Static wireframes with Lorem Ipsum -> Static comps with Lorem Ipsum -> Built out sites with Lorem Ipsum • Now have to think about multiple devices? Yikes • Designers and developers will have to talk.
  • 8. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU #blameKaren • Content Strategists can’t ignore how things are built. • RWD itself doesn’t really answer the underlying question. • We’ll have to talk. Developers, Designers, and Content Strategists.
  • 9. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU #blameSaraWB • Adaptive content? That’s a whole ‘nother layer • Content strategists, designers, and developers will not only have to talk but actually agree on goals and approaches
  • 10. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU Engineers are People Too SIX WAYS TO MAKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU: 1. Become genuinely interested in other people. 2. Smile. 3. Remember that a person’s name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language. 4. Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves. 5. Talk in terms of the other person’s interests. 6. Make the other person feel important—and do it sincerely.
  • 11. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU Sincere Interest
  • 12. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU Interest in the Platform • How is structured content managed? Can new content types be created / extended? How? • What’s the editor experience like, and how can it be customized? • How are templates / themes created and edited? • What is the team excited about on this platform, and what are their concerns?
  • 13. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU Common Ground Shared Problems: • Lack of budget (time) • Weak/unclear strategy • Pointy-haired bosses • Shiny object syndrome • Scope creep • Migrate everything
  • 14. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU
  • 15. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU
  • 16. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU http://www.superstitiousthoughts.com/news/?
  • 17. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU 1. Eliminate all privacy. 2. Force push your own changes, without code review. 3. Interrupt people regularly for status updates. 4. Rush out software in 3 wks that needs 3 months 5. Hire a “Sr. Architect” but make architectural decisions before they show up 6. Change issue tracking software and means of communication regularly. 7. When hiring, find people that have at least a two hour drive, [then] disallow working from home. 8. One day, without notice, demand that everyone report to work an hour and a half earlier, starting the next day. 9. Make sure everything is on fire all the time. 10. Deny your team decent hardware. http://rustyrazorblade.com/2014/09/21-ways-to-minimize-employee-retention/
  • 18. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU
  • 19. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU http://cheezburger.com/4223955712 http://cheezburger.com/4047223552 http://imgur.com/k3qeC#.TmF8K5SyKGE.tumblr http://loremipsumfails.tumblr.com/ post/17153602389/gojugo-one-more- reason-not-to-respect-jose
  • 20. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU
  • 21. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU Common Ground Shared Problems: • Lack of budget (time) • Weak/unclear strategy • Pointy-haired bosses • Shiny object syndrome • Scope creep • Migrate everything Shared Goals: • Project success • Clear goals, set early • Long-term stability • Ongoing usage • Mastery and flow • Focus on impact
  • 22. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU Content Models vs Data Models
  • 23. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU http://www.sarawb.com/2011/06/30/content-first/
  • 24. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU http://tutorial.shiksha360.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Database_Model_DiagramTitle.png
  • 25. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU “Content is made of data in the same way music is made of notes” - me http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Autograph-Manuscript-BWV614.jpg
  • 26. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU Making it Real • No design without content - ban lorem ipsum • No implementation of a CMS without understanding the “C” - structured content • Content strategy throughout the project lifecycle, including into maintenance & optimization • We’re here to help - to ensure that what gets built gets used, populated, and thrives
  • 27. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU Enlisting Help • Avoid asking “Can the system do X?” • Instead, explore goals and desired features: • What’s the best way we could accomplish X? • What is it that makes doing X difficult on our platform? • What could we do to achieve the same goal that would be more in line with our architecture?
  • 28. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU What’s in it for me? • Content audits help developers uncover requirements gaps • Content strategy provides leverage to push back on out of scope or irrational requests • Mediating / translating between users and developers (“I speak human and engineer”) • Nothing is more frustrating to developers than building & refining features that no one uses
  • 29. John Eckman | @jeckman | #ConfabEDU Q & A John Eckman john.eckman@10up.com 10up.com @jeckman