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Auto Seat Design and Sitting Comfort ERL LLC March 1, 2011
Which drive is more comfortable? Drive A Drive B Video Follows No sound Available.
What are Drives A and B?
40 drivers from 25 to 76 years of age Mid-Size Sedan 2 hour highway drive in production seat Measurements in vehicle on highway Michigan State University research program Drive A
Drive B 18 drivers from original 40 in Drive A Same 2 hour highway drive in seat modified for Mid-Size Sedan
Subjective Comfort Measurements in DrivesA & B at Michigan State University. Pressure Distribution Position: 3D Video Measurements Seat Positions
Seat back centerline shape was modified for Drive B.
Modified Seat Production Seat Foam was added at top of backand removed at bottom of back.
Modified Seat Production Seat Changes for Modified Seat came from driver discomfort in Drive A and ERL model of back posture.
How did modified seat affect the driver in Drive B?
11 Driver changed from slumped in Drive A to neutral back posture in Drive B. Drive A Production Seat Drive B Modified Seat ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
How do we know? Measurements in Drives Aand Band ERL model to understand the change.
In Drive B, Pelvis rotated 4.6º forward. Drive B Drive A
Pelvis rotated rearward in the slumped posture. Slumped Pelvis Position ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
Pelvis rotates forward when posture changes from Slumped to Neutral Neutral Pelvis Position Slumped Pelvis Position ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
In Drive B, drivers moved the seat 19mm forward for seat support. Neutral Seat Position Slumped Seat Position ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
Driver selects fore/aft position for reach and low pressure on buttocks in seatback. Slumped Seat Position Buttocks ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
Production (ID-Pt) Modified (ID-Pt) In Drive B, the highest pressure point (ID) under buttocks moved rearward.
ID is the highest pressure point under the pelvis. Slumped ID Position ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
ID moves rearward on seat when posture changes from Slumped to Neutral. Neutral ID Position Slumped ID Position ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
Eye height is a function of torso posture. Slumped Line of Sight ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
In Drive B, the driver’s eye moved upwards 11mm and rearwards 17mm. Neutral Line of Sight Slumped Line of Sight ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
In Drive B, drivers raised the steering wheel 3.6º. Drive A Drive B Drive B Neutral Posture Drive A Slumped Posture ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
Drivers position steering wheel fortheir preferred arm and leg joint angles. ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
ERL, LLC Eye and shoulder rise with change from slumped to erect postures. Eye Shoulder Erect Neutral Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
Every time drivers adjusted the seat, position was recorded by computer. Seat Adjustments Fore/Aft Front Seat Height Rear
The longest time in one position is the Modal Period of seat position. Modal Period
Modal period increased from 45 in Drive A to 75 minutes in Drive B. Modal Period
Small and large drivers use back posture to meet different needs.
30 Small women prefer Neutral & Erect back postures. Headliner 5th%tile Erect Line of Sight Neutral Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
31 Change in posture raises eye height for better downward vision. 5th%tile Headliner Erect Erect Line of Sight Slumped Line of Sight Slumped Neutral Erect Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
32 Preferred back posture is neutral which uses least muscle activity. 50th%tile Erect All spinal joints are in the middle of their range of motion. Neutral Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
33 Headliner too close for neutral posture in large male. 95th %tile Headliner Erect Neutral Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
34 Headliner often forces large male into slumped posture. 95th %tile Headliner Erect Neutral Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
35 Slumped posture needsadditional rearward travel. Headliner 95th %tile Erect Neutral Seat moves rearward. Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
Why do the seat and package promote a slumped posture?
Head restraint position pushes head forward into slumped posture Can be modified for comfort and Federal regulations
Low seat back pushes buttocks forward into slumped posture. Can be modified for comfort and Federal regulations Can be comfortable with different design.
In new vehicles, seat still pushessmall woman into slumped posture.
Seat design must pass the H-point test and head restraint regulation.
Comfort is a development goal at supplier for seats that meet H-point and safety requirements!
Oscar back shape and body size define test requirements for interior. Oscar:   50th% Torso 95th% Legs
Oscar back shape does not represent a slumped posture. Oscar:   50th% Torso 95th% Legs ERL:   50th% Torso 50th% Legs Slumped posture in 50th %tile male
Oscar back shape does not represent a neutral posture. Oscar:   50th% Torso 95th% Legs ERL:   50th% Torso 50th% Legs Neutral posture in 50th %tile male
Oscar’s highest pressure point (ID) is posterior of the Medium Male Oscar:   50th% Torso 95th% Legs ERL:   50th% Torso 50th% Legs Neutral ID Position Oscar’s ID Position
46 Seat designed first for “Oscar’s” unique back posture. “Oscar”
47 Seat designed to pass H-point test. Unique Back Posture SAE Practice: “Slide the H-point machine rearward … until the seat pan contacts the seatback.”
48 Seat designed to pass H-point and Head Restraint Tests. DOT Regulation requires head restraint within 55 mm of Oscar’s head. Unique Back Posture SAE Standard: “Slide the H-point machine rearward … until the seat pan contacts the seatback.”
Seat modified for Comfort at Supplier using drive iterations.
The production seat in Drive A did not past the H-point test. H-point of Oscar Seating Reference Point (SgRP) Test requirement: H-point within ½” of SgRP
The ERL modified seat in Drive B passed the H-point test. H-point of Oscar Seating Reference Point (SgRP) Test requirement: H-point within ½” of SgRP
Do all drivers find cars that fit?  “She said that when they went to look at new cars, she (she is about 5 ft 2 inch) never found a car that really fit her, but she accepted that, and chose cars by reliability, mileage, and color because she had no other choices!
How does seat design meet all requirements including comfort?
Driver needs to feel that the interior parts totally fit. Driver: Seat Pedal Steering Wheel Vision The passenger needs room for feet, knees and head! ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
55 HRMD J826 Optimize seating at beginning of design, not at the end of development. Erect Vision Neutral Comfort Space Slumped 5th 95th 50th ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138,  EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
ERL’s tools in this presentation used  to explain the difference between Drive A and Drive B can be used for seat design to meet H-point test, safety test, and comfort tests at the beginning of vehicle development. Conclusion
Thanks for your time and interest. For more information, contact: ERL LLC reynolds@erlllc.com 517-256-3180

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Auto seat design and sitting comfort

  • 1. Auto Seat Design and Sitting Comfort ERL LLC March 1, 2011
  • 2. Which drive is more comfortable? Drive A Drive B Video Follows No sound Available.
  • 3. What are Drives A and B?
  • 4. 40 drivers from 25 to 76 years of age Mid-Size Sedan 2 hour highway drive in production seat Measurements in vehicle on highway Michigan State University research program Drive A
  • 5. Drive B 18 drivers from original 40 in Drive A Same 2 hour highway drive in seat modified for Mid-Size Sedan
  • 6. Subjective Comfort Measurements in DrivesA & B at Michigan State University. Pressure Distribution Position: 3D Video Measurements Seat Positions
  • 7. Seat back centerline shape was modified for Drive B.
  • 8. Modified Seat Production Seat Foam was added at top of backand removed at bottom of back.
  • 9. Modified Seat Production Seat Changes for Modified Seat came from driver discomfort in Drive A and ERL model of back posture.
  • 10. How did modified seat affect the driver in Drive B?
  • 11. 11 Driver changed from slumped in Drive A to neutral back posture in Drive B. Drive A Production Seat Drive B Modified Seat ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 12. How do we know? Measurements in Drives Aand Band ERL model to understand the change.
  • 13. In Drive B, Pelvis rotated 4.6º forward. Drive B Drive A
  • 14. Pelvis rotated rearward in the slumped posture. Slumped Pelvis Position ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 15. Pelvis rotates forward when posture changes from Slumped to Neutral Neutral Pelvis Position Slumped Pelvis Position ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 16. In Drive B, drivers moved the seat 19mm forward for seat support. Neutral Seat Position Slumped Seat Position ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 17. Driver selects fore/aft position for reach and low pressure on buttocks in seatback. Slumped Seat Position Buttocks ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 18. Production (ID-Pt) Modified (ID-Pt) In Drive B, the highest pressure point (ID) under buttocks moved rearward.
  • 19. ID is the highest pressure point under the pelvis. Slumped ID Position ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 20. ID moves rearward on seat when posture changes from Slumped to Neutral. Neutral ID Position Slumped ID Position ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 21. Eye height is a function of torso posture. Slumped Line of Sight ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 22. In Drive B, the driver’s eye moved upwards 11mm and rearwards 17mm. Neutral Line of Sight Slumped Line of Sight ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 23. In Drive B, drivers raised the steering wheel 3.6º. Drive A Drive B Drive B Neutral Posture Drive A Slumped Posture ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 24. Drivers position steering wheel fortheir preferred arm and leg joint angles. ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 25. ERL, LLC Eye and shoulder rise with change from slumped to erect postures. Eye Shoulder Erect Neutral Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 26. Every time drivers adjusted the seat, position was recorded by computer. Seat Adjustments Fore/Aft Front Seat Height Rear
  • 27. The longest time in one position is the Modal Period of seat position. Modal Period
  • 28. Modal period increased from 45 in Drive A to 75 minutes in Drive B. Modal Period
  • 29. Small and large drivers use back posture to meet different needs.
  • 30. 30 Small women prefer Neutral & Erect back postures. Headliner 5th%tile Erect Line of Sight Neutral Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 31. 31 Change in posture raises eye height for better downward vision. 5th%tile Headliner Erect Erect Line of Sight Slumped Line of Sight Slumped Neutral Erect Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 32. 32 Preferred back posture is neutral which uses least muscle activity. 50th%tile Erect All spinal joints are in the middle of their range of motion. Neutral Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 33. 33 Headliner too close for neutral posture in large male. 95th %tile Headliner Erect Neutral Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 34. 34 Headliner often forces large male into slumped posture. 95th %tile Headliner Erect Neutral Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 35. 35 Slumped posture needsadditional rearward travel. Headliner 95th %tile Erect Neutral Seat moves rearward. Slumped ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 36. Why do the seat and package promote a slumped posture?
  • 37. Head restraint position pushes head forward into slumped posture Can be modified for comfort and Federal regulations
  • 38. Low seat back pushes buttocks forward into slumped posture. Can be modified for comfort and Federal regulations Can be comfortable with different design.
  • 39. In new vehicles, seat still pushessmall woman into slumped posture.
  • 40. Seat design must pass the H-point test and head restraint regulation.
  • 41. Comfort is a development goal at supplier for seats that meet H-point and safety requirements!
  • 42. Oscar back shape and body size define test requirements for interior. Oscar: 50th% Torso 95th% Legs
  • 43. Oscar back shape does not represent a slumped posture. Oscar: 50th% Torso 95th% Legs ERL: 50th% Torso 50th% Legs Slumped posture in 50th %tile male
  • 44. Oscar back shape does not represent a neutral posture. Oscar: 50th% Torso 95th% Legs ERL: 50th% Torso 50th% Legs Neutral posture in 50th %tile male
  • 45. Oscar’s highest pressure point (ID) is posterior of the Medium Male Oscar: 50th% Torso 95th% Legs ERL: 50th% Torso 50th% Legs Neutral ID Position Oscar’s ID Position
  • 46. 46 Seat designed first for “Oscar’s” unique back posture. “Oscar”
  • 47. 47 Seat designed to pass H-point test. Unique Back Posture SAE Practice: “Slide the H-point machine rearward … until the seat pan contacts the seatback.”
  • 48. 48 Seat designed to pass H-point and Head Restraint Tests. DOT Regulation requires head restraint within 55 mm of Oscar’s head. Unique Back Posture SAE Standard: “Slide the H-point machine rearward … until the seat pan contacts the seatback.”
  • 49. Seat modified for Comfort at Supplier using drive iterations.
  • 50. The production seat in Drive A did not past the H-point test. H-point of Oscar Seating Reference Point (SgRP) Test requirement: H-point within ½” of SgRP
  • 51. The ERL modified seat in Drive B passed the H-point test. H-point of Oscar Seating Reference Point (SgRP) Test requirement: H-point within ½” of SgRP
  • 52. Do all drivers find cars that fit? “She said that when they went to look at new cars, she (she is about 5 ft 2 inch) never found a car that really fit her, but she accepted that, and chose cars by reliability, mileage, and color because she had no other choices!
  • 53. How does seat design meet all requirements including comfort?
  • 54. Driver needs to feel that the interior parts totally fit. Driver: Seat Pedal Steering Wheel Vision The passenger needs room for feet, knees and head! ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 55. 55 HRMD J826 Optimize seating at beginning of design, not at the end of development. Erect Vision Neutral Comfort Space Slumped 5th 95th 50th ERL Patents: US #6,840,125, US#7,047,831, US#7,347,114, US #7,797,138, EU #1019693 & Patents Pending
  • 56. ERL’s tools in this presentation used to explain the difference between Drive A and Drive B can be used for seat design to meet H-point test, safety test, and comfort tests at the beginning of vehicle development. Conclusion
  • 57. Thanks for your time and interest. For more information, contact: ERL LLC reynolds@erlllc.com 517-256-3180