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God                         Big Bang?
Created
             Larry Kisner
  Arizona Origin Science Association
     World View Outreach Church
Topics
   How did the universe begin?
   Is the Big Bang the Answer?
     Did the Big Bang happen
          or is it coming?
   What about the Starlight and
         Time Problem?

Credits: Adapted from presentations
by Mike Riddle and Dr. Russ Humphries
Big Bang – Then What?
Questions for Evolutionists
Origin of the Universe
1. What specific evidence supports the claim of a
   natural origin of the universe?
2. Explain how something can come from nothing in
   contradiction to the first law of thermodynamics.
3. What is the evidence that the universe increased
   in its order and complexity after the big bang in
   contradiction to the second law of
   thermodynamics.
Two Models
   Evolution / Theistic evolution
       Big Bang
       Universe 12 – 15 billion years old
       Stellar formation (natural processes)

 Biblical     model
       God spoke the universe into existence
       Young universe
       God created the stars
Evaluating the Evidence
Evidence against one position is
  support for the other position
 Evidence against evolution is
     Support for creation
  What is the actual evidence
To support creation or evolution
A Young-Earth
Cosmology          By Dr. Russell Humphries

      If the cosmos is so young,
    how can we see so much of it?


   Farthest Galaxy seen:
       14 Billion Light-years


 If light traveled that distance at today's
 speed, would it have had time to get here?
Earlier creationist
theories were not adequate

    Theory                Problems
 1. Light created    Fictional history in the sky
    in transit       No scientific explanations

 2. Speed of light   Data against it
    has decreased    Theory unclear


Neither explains other phenomena
Neither gives decisive biblical basis
Summary

          The Bible + relativity
                = different clock rates
                   Earth near center of universe
                       Clocks slower near center


             1
             day

                            Billions of years

                        Enough time to see stars
This newer creationist theory
 starts from a Biblical basis
 Biblical assumption gives a different cosmology

 Big bang theory uses a non-biblical assumption

  The Big-bang assumption needs scrutiny
Big bang theories assume
   the cosmos is the same everywhere
“ ... our position in space is [not]
      specially distinguished in any way…
      this assumption ... [implies] that …
      the universe is approximately
      spatially homogeneous .”
                        — Stephen Hawking & George Ellis,
                         The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time

  ho mo ge ne ous : uniform composition throughout
The assumption means the cosmos
   would have no edge or center
                                 The Public's Big Bang:
"In popular literature ...
 the universe ... has a             Edge           Center
 center and an edge.                of Matter      of Matter


"This is wrong ...
 [It] has no center and edge."

  — Edward R. Harrison, Cosmology
                                        ―Island‖ universe
Big Bang theorists imagine
        that matter fills all space
The Experts’ Big Bang:
Travel infinitely—
you’ll never find space
without galaxies
No edge of matter
 —no center !
                          (Window frame)
But the Bible says there is a center

                        Waters
And God said, “Let
there be an expanse
in the midst of the     Expanse
waters…”
         —Genesis 1:6
The Earth is near the center

[God] separated the
waters which were
below the expanse from    expanse
the waters which were
above the expanse…         waters
           —Genesis 1:7

Became the Earth
(Genesis 1:9,10)           below
The expanse is big

“Let there be lights in
the expanse of the
heavens …to give light
on the earth” … and it
was so.
        —Genesis 1:14,15




   ―Island‖ universe with Earth near center
The expanse is big

“Let there be lights in
the expanse of the
heavens …to give light
on the earth” … and it
was so.
        —Genesis 1:14,15




   ―Island‖ universe with Earth near center
A center makes gravity important

 Big Bang Cosmos              Biblical Cosmos




 Matter fills all space        Island Universe

  No net force            Net force toward center
Scripture says gravity affects the cosmos

                             ―Altitude‖
For as the heavens are             Big Bang
 higher than the earth…
              —Isaiah 55:9
                             Earth            Heavens
                                                Distance
                             ―Altitude‖
                                   Biblical     Heavens
                              Earth
       In the Biblical cosmos,                  Distance
       we must reckon with gravity
Scientists agree: gravity affects time

Gravitational time dilation          Fast
 — Lower clocks tick slower


    Predicted by Einstein
    Shown by experiment
                              Slow
If today's cosmos is an “island”,
clocks near its center tick ~ 2% slower

                          2 % Slower
                                                    Faster
 20 Billion
 light-years




                                       Billions of years

       Insignificant today, but what about the past?
In the past,
       the cosmos was smaller

Evidence for expansion:
   Scientific: Red shift of light from galaxies
   Biblical: 17 verses in Old Testament, such as:


  Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
  And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
                                — Isaiah 40:22
When the cosmos was smaller,
clocks at the center were very slow
                                    Billions
                    1 Day           of years

0.5 Billion
light-years




This happened on the fourth day of creation
During six days on earth, billions
 of years elapsed in the distant sky

  Age of Universe           6 days, E.S.T.
when Adam saw it
                      =     (Earth Standard Time)

  So light from distant galaxies could reach us,
  and distant objects would appear to be "old."
This theory follows
   straightforwardly from the Bible
―Island‖ Cosmos       Relativity       ―White-hole‖ Theory


                                           Young
                  +                =       earth



                  +                =       Bang!
Unbounded Cosmos      Relativity        Big-bang Theories
The basics of this theory
      are scientifically sound

If the cosmos is an “island”
    — clock rates must be different
If the cosmos has expanded
    — clock rates must have been very different

    From all the science we know,
    these conclusions are unavoidable !
Conclusion
          God used relativity
    to let us see a young universe
  Clocks on earth slow during 4th day

                     1
                     day



                 Enough time to see galaxies
Book and video explain much more
Implications of the Big Bang
   God’s creation was not 6-days
   The meaning of “very good” in Genesis 1:31
   Death before sin
   The Genesis Flood was not worldwide
   Colossians 1:16 “all” does not mean all
    things
   What do the heavens declare: God or
    evolution?
   The authority of Scripture
Big Bang or Big Deception
 The big bang is NOT a fact
 Most evidence contradicts the big bang

 Many scientists (including astronomers)
  disagree with the big bang
 The Bible does NOT teach the big bang

 The Bible teaches a young earth (universe)
  which agrees with science
The Origin of the Universe
And God made two great lights; the greater
light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule
the night: he made the stars also.
                   Genesis 1:16

Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath
created these things, that bringeth out their
host by number:…
                   Isaiah 40:26
When I consider thy heavens, the work
of thy fingers, the moon and the stars,
which thou hast ordained;
               Psalms 8:3
The Origin of the Universe
 (Ex   20:11) For in six days…
   (Ps 19:1) The heavens declare the glory
    of God
   (Ps 33:6) By the word of the Lord were
    the heavens made; and all the host of
    them …
   (Ps 148:5) … for he commanded, and
    they were created
The Origin of the Universe
I, even my hands, have stretched out
the heavens, and all their hosts have I
commanded (Is 45:12)

              Nehemiah 9:6
 Thou, even thou, are Lord alone; thou
 hast made heaven, the heaven of
 heavens, with all their host…
   (John 1:3) All   things were made by
    him…
 (Rev   4:11) …for thou hast created all
    things, and for thy pleasure they are
    and were created
Nothing Too Difficult for God
17 times the Bible declares that God stretched
                 the heavens

2 Sam 22:10   Job 37:18      Isaiah 51:13
Psalm 18:9    Isaiah 40:22   Jeremiah 10:12
Psalm 104:2   Isaiah 42:5    Jeremiah 51:15
Psalm 144:5   Isaiah 44:24   Ezekiel 1:22
Job 9:8       Isaiah 45:12   Zechariah 12:1
Job 26:7      Isaiah 48:13
A God of Miracles
 God created trees mature with fruit
 God created mature animals

 God created Adam mature

 Jesus fed the 5,000

 Jesus turned water into wine

 Jesus withered the fig tree (Matt 21:18-19)

 Instant learning of language (Tower of Babel)

 Instant healing of soldier’s ear (Luke 22:51)

 Creation was “very good” (Gen 1:31)
What Did Jesus Say
 Jesus confirmed Moses: John 5:46-47
  God wrote it down for Moses: Ex. 20:11
 Jesus confirmed Abel: Matt 23:35

 Jesus confirmed the Flood: Matt 24:37-39

 Jesus confirmed creation: Mark 10:6

 Jesus is the Creator
     John 1:1-3, Col 1:16, Heb 1:1-3, Eph 3:9
Why do you believe the Resurrection if
  you don’t believe the Creation ?

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Big Bang And Starlight Travel

  • 1. God Big Bang? Created Larry Kisner Arizona Origin Science Association World View Outreach Church
  • 2. Topics How did the universe begin? Is the Big Bang the Answer? Did the Big Bang happen or is it coming? What about the Starlight and Time Problem? Credits: Adapted from presentations by Mike Riddle and Dr. Russ Humphries
  • 3. Big Bang – Then What?
  • 4.
  • 5.
  • 6. Questions for Evolutionists Origin of the Universe 1. What specific evidence supports the claim of a natural origin of the universe? 2. Explain how something can come from nothing in contradiction to the first law of thermodynamics. 3. What is the evidence that the universe increased in its order and complexity after the big bang in contradiction to the second law of thermodynamics.
  • 7. Two Models  Evolution / Theistic evolution  Big Bang  Universe 12 – 15 billion years old  Stellar formation (natural processes)  Biblical model  God spoke the universe into existence  Young universe  God created the stars
  • 8. Evaluating the Evidence Evidence against one position is support for the other position Evidence against evolution is Support for creation What is the actual evidence To support creation or evolution
  • 9. A Young-Earth Cosmology By Dr. Russell Humphries If the cosmos is so young, how can we see so much of it? Farthest Galaxy seen: 14 Billion Light-years If light traveled that distance at today's speed, would it have had time to get here?
  • 10. Earlier creationist theories were not adequate Theory Problems 1. Light created Fictional history in the sky in transit No scientific explanations 2. Speed of light Data against it has decreased Theory unclear Neither explains other phenomena Neither gives decisive biblical basis
  • 11. Summary The Bible + relativity = different clock rates Earth near center of universe Clocks slower near center 1 day Billions of years Enough time to see stars
  • 12. This newer creationist theory starts from a Biblical basis Biblical assumption gives a different cosmology Big bang theory uses a non-biblical assumption The Big-bang assumption needs scrutiny
  • 13. Big bang theories assume the cosmos is the same everywhere “ ... our position in space is [not] specially distinguished in any way… this assumption ... [implies] that … the universe is approximately spatially homogeneous .” — Stephen Hawking & George Ellis, The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time ho mo ge ne ous : uniform composition throughout
  • 14. The assumption means the cosmos would have no edge or center The Public's Big Bang: "In popular literature ... the universe ... has a Edge Center center and an edge. of Matter of Matter "This is wrong ... [It] has no center and edge." — Edward R. Harrison, Cosmology ―Island‖ universe
  • 15. Big Bang theorists imagine that matter fills all space The Experts’ Big Bang: Travel infinitely— you’ll never find space without galaxies No edge of matter —no center ! (Window frame)
  • 16. But the Bible says there is a center Waters And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the Expanse waters…” —Genesis 1:6
  • 17. The Earth is near the center [God] separated the waters which were below the expanse from expanse the waters which were above the expanse… waters —Genesis 1:7 Became the Earth (Genesis 1:9,10) below
  • 18. The expanse is big “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens …to give light on the earth” … and it was so. —Genesis 1:14,15 ―Island‖ universe with Earth near center
  • 19. The expanse is big “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens …to give light on the earth” … and it was so. —Genesis 1:14,15 ―Island‖ universe with Earth near center
  • 20. A center makes gravity important Big Bang Cosmos Biblical Cosmos Matter fills all space Island Universe No net force Net force toward center
  • 21. Scripture says gravity affects the cosmos ―Altitude‖ For as the heavens are Big Bang higher than the earth… —Isaiah 55:9 Earth Heavens Distance ―Altitude‖ Biblical Heavens Earth In the Biblical cosmos, Distance we must reckon with gravity
  • 22. Scientists agree: gravity affects time Gravitational time dilation Fast — Lower clocks tick slower Predicted by Einstein Shown by experiment Slow
  • 23. If today's cosmos is an “island”, clocks near its center tick ~ 2% slower 2 % Slower Faster 20 Billion light-years Billions of years Insignificant today, but what about the past?
  • 24. In the past, the cosmos was smaller Evidence for expansion: Scientific: Red shift of light from galaxies Biblical: 17 verses in Old Testament, such as: Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. — Isaiah 40:22
  • 25. When the cosmos was smaller, clocks at the center were very slow Billions 1 Day of years 0.5 Billion light-years This happened on the fourth day of creation
  • 26. During six days on earth, billions of years elapsed in the distant sky Age of Universe 6 days, E.S.T. when Adam saw it = (Earth Standard Time) So light from distant galaxies could reach us, and distant objects would appear to be "old."
  • 27. This theory follows straightforwardly from the Bible ―Island‖ Cosmos Relativity ―White-hole‖ Theory Young + = earth + = Bang! Unbounded Cosmos Relativity Big-bang Theories
  • 28. The basics of this theory are scientifically sound If the cosmos is an “island” — clock rates must be different If the cosmos has expanded — clock rates must have been very different From all the science we know, these conclusions are unavoidable !
  • 29. Conclusion God used relativity to let us see a young universe Clocks on earth slow during 4th day 1 day Enough time to see galaxies
  • 30. Book and video explain much more
  • 31. Implications of the Big Bang  God’s creation was not 6-days  The meaning of “very good” in Genesis 1:31  Death before sin  The Genesis Flood was not worldwide  Colossians 1:16 “all” does not mean all things  What do the heavens declare: God or evolution?  The authority of Scripture
  • 32. Big Bang or Big Deception  The big bang is NOT a fact  Most evidence contradicts the big bang  Many scientists (including astronomers) disagree with the big bang  The Bible does NOT teach the big bang  The Bible teaches a young earth (universe) which agrees with science
  • 33. The Origin of the Universe And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:16 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number:… Isaiah 40:26
  • 34. When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; Psalms 8:3
  • 35. The Origin of the Universe  (Ex 20:11) For in six days…  (Ps 19:1) The heavens declare the glory of God  (Ps 33:6) By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them …  (Ps 148:5) … for he commanded, and they were created
  • 36. The Origin of the Universe I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their hosts have I commanded (Is 45:12) Nehemiah 9:6 Thou, even thou, are Lord alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host…
  • 37. (John 1:3) All things were made by him…  (Rev 4:11) …for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created
  • 38. Nothing Too Difficult for God 17 times the Bible declares that God stretched the heavens 2 Sam 22:10 Job 37:18 Isaiah 51:13 Psalm 18:9 Isaiah 40:22 Jeremiah 10:12 Psalm 104:2 Isaiah 42:5 Jeremiah 51:15 Psalm 144:5 Isaiah 44:24 Ezekiel 1:22 Job 9:8 Isaiah 45:12 Zechariah 12:1 Job 26:7 Isaiah 48:13
  • 39. A God of Miracles  God created trees mature with fruit  God created mature animals  God created Adam mature  Jesus fed the 5,000  Jesus turned water into wine  Jesus withered the fig tree (Matt 21:18-19)  Instant learning of language (Tower of Babel)  Instant healing of soldier’s ear (Luke 22:51)  Creation was “very good” (Gen 1:31)
  • 40. What Did Jesus Say  Jesus confirmed Moses: John 5:46-47 God wrote it down for Moses: Ex. 20:11  Jesus confirmed Abel: Matt 23:35  Jesus confirmed the Flood: Matt 24:37-39  Jesus confirmed creation: Mark 10:6  Jesus is the Creator  John 1:1-3, Col 1:16, Heb 1:1-3, Eph 3:9 Why do you believe the Resurrection if you don’t believe the Creation ?