SOTM09 talk - Community Smoothness

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  1. Harry Wood harry@cloudmade.com Community smoothness
  2. Tags Open tagging system >50,000 tags in the database “What tags should I use???”
  3. “Map Features” Agreed set of tags Wiki Easy editing Open & inclusive Discussion Mediation
  4. Tagging debates Different ways of thinking about mapping the world Different understandings of words horse=yes?
  5. Smoothness How smooth a road or footpath is Suitability for transport types smoothness=excellent smoothness=good smoothness=intermediate smoothness=bad smoothness=very_bad smoothness=horrible smoothness=very_horrible smoothness=impassable
  6. Poor use of English language Unprofessional Imprecise very_horrible? Subjective a subjective judgement poor verifiability
  7. Discussion → Debate → Edit War Discussion and refining Voted through Edit War! Calls to ban him - Support Long-winded debate Chriscf's disruptive behaviour Smoothness tag in particular Tag approval processes in general
  8. Process problems Constant stream of proposals, discussions & votes Respected long-standing people not participating Gang of "wikifiddlers" don't understand real mapping Too bureaucratic. Don't like voting Ideas to improve?
  9. Tagging committee Less open and inclusive Who would get to do it? Elections? Nominations? Who would want to do it? Not a fun job - Deal with proposals swiss-image.ch/Photo by Andy Mettler
  10. Lock map features "Protected page" Wiki sysops are effectively the tagging committee
  11. Split the page up Because it's too big and to relieve the tension BUT "what tags should I use???"
  12. Tag cheat-sheet http://bit.ly/1vW7Qu Condensed list Open & inclusive? Who maintains?
  13. “presets” Condensed list Open & inclusive? Who Maintains?
  14. "Map Features" application List tags Handle translations nicely Machine-readability Group discussion and decision: Linked to forum for discussion. Using a polling app for votes. but... reach agreement on documentation of hotly debated tags? More difficult. Wiki "Featurama" is vapourware
  15. Tagwatch
  16. osmdoc.com
  17. Usage stats Blunt instrument More intelligent metrics
  18. Floaty-Cloud-Tagwatch-on-Steroids "Tags I use" page Tag page has descriptions from various users
  19. Tagstat
  20. Social Solutions Wiki based solutions Shift in attitude
  21. Tagging Principles Instil our core principles Write out tagging policies e.g. "Verifiability" Link to these in all discussions
  22. Be Critical Over-enthusiastic about proposals Motivation to be more critical Process for removing previously "accepted" tags. One in one out? change in process
  23. Who to respect? Expansion. Large number of newbies. Waffling on mailing list/wiki editing energy Don't know who to listen to Experienced long-standing OSMers → Respect
  24. Grumpy old fart “us and them” attitude holding back enthusiasm Work on your reputation Participation! User page. Document achievements Too modest? Give awards. Write testimonials Photo CCBYSA jonnykeelty http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonnykeelty/462802956/
  25. Tag documentation Raise the standard Currently poor in places alcohol/beverages shop, pharmacy, art gallery, leisure=park Good tag documentation reduces international misunderstandings helps match search keywords raises the bar for new proposals
  26. Message to the wiki enthusiasts Don't make proposals. Do mapping! Message to long-standing community members: "wikifiddlers" are OSM enthusiasts too! Set out principles. Raise doc standards Message to everyone: Debates are inevitable, and healthy Seek positive outcomes. Take action.
  27. harry@cloudmade.com http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Harry_Wood Thank you Feel free to re-use slides under Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/

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