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BSG-Oslo [14 respondents]


Jonas, Sept 17, 2012
Number of biopsies?
(same results for Ser+ and Ser=unknown)

                4              ≥5


        10


        7.5


         5


        2.5


         0
                    Biopsies
Which sites-suspected CD
     (almost same results for Ser+ and Ser=unknown)
                                     D1             D2
                                     Beyond D2      Oesophagus
                                     Gastric        Antral
                                     Body

15

12

9

6

3

0
                Pos ser                     Unknown ser
Routine CLO-suspected CD
(same results for Ser+ and Ser=unknown) (if unknown: 5
(not 4) would talke a CLO-test)
                                     Yes       No




         15

         12

          9

          6

          3

          0
                               CLO
Endoscopy of patients with suspected coeliac disease,
with known pos serology: Do you order any other tests?



 Giardia, n=1
 No, n=7 [may order other tests when the diagnosis is
 confirmed)
 Hp-test, n=1
 Depends on patient’s symptoms and the mucosal
 aspects.
Endoscopy of patients with suspected coeliac disease,
with unknown serology: Do you order any other tests?



  HLA, n=1
  Hp, n=1 [according to mucosal appearance]
  SIBO, n=1
  Serology, n=4
  Nothing (No), n=4
Do you have review meetings with the pathologist?


         Yes               No

                                         weekly, n=8
  15                                     monthly, n=2
  12

   9

   6

   3

   0
               meetings w path
Do you as a clinician review the path slides?


       sometimes        always       never




  15

  12

   9

   6

   3

   0
                   meetings w path
Who performs the biopsy interpretations?


       pathologist          Other




  15

  12

   9

   6

   3

   0
               interpretation
Do you tell the pathologist   Do you tell the pathologist
the serology status if known? other clinical data?

          yes               no         yes               no



  15                              15

  12                              12

   9                              9

   6                              6

   3                              3

   0                              0
                serology status              clinical data
Agreed with pathologist
about classification?

             yes                no




  15

  12

   9

   6

   3

   0
   is it possible to agree with a pathologist....?
Use the Marsh? (Marsh or Marsh-Oberh, n=12)

                            if no, What classifications?
       yes           no

                            Stand Marsh, n=1
15
                            Marsh-Oberhuber, n=5
                            Corazza-Villan, n=2
12
                            Italian IAP VIllan, n=0
9
                            Other, n=7
6

3

0                           Descriptive, n=2
             Marsh
Does your hospital have a
                                 If a standardized report is
standardized histo report/
                                 missing, would you like one?
checklist?

          yes               no           yes               no



  15                              15

  12                              12

   9                               9

   6                               6

   3                               3

   0                               0
                checklist               Would you like a checklist?
Which features are important to
state in the histo report?
Routine use of                 when do you use
immunohistochemistry           immunohistochemistry?

         yes              no            borderlne cases
                                        only if increased
                                        Other

  15                            15

  12                            12

   9                             9

   6                             6

   3                             3

   0                             0
               immunohistoch           when immunohistoch?
Do you get a purely histopath
IELs, what is the norm?
                               report?

        20    25       Other            yes              no



   15                           15

   12                           12

    9                            9

    6                            6

    3                            3

    0                            0
                IELs                          purely histo

Normal histo, pathologist recommends serolgy: 11/16 yes
Are the new ESPGHAN criteria accepted in your
country?


       yes           no




15

12

9

6

3

0
             Marsh
What serology do you use?


       antigliadin   anti-TG2
       anti-DGP      EMA, IgA
       EMA, IgG      Other

  15

  12

   9

   6

   3

   0
                          serology test
Best marker of dietary          Asymptomatic patient with
adherence?                      sero+ and VA


      symptom relief                  No need follow GFD
      antiobdy seroconversion         Start GFD
      histo recovery                  Start GFD, follow-up with sero only
      Other                           Start GFD, follow-up with sero and histo
15                               15

12                               12

9                                 9

6                                 6

3                                 3

0                                 0
         Marker-adherence                       what do we do?

Consider all the above, n=2
Persistent VA in
asymptomatic patients on
GFD is no concern?

      strongly agree
      Agree
      Neither agree/disagree
      Strongly disagree
15

12

9

6

3

0
        Marker-adherence
In the definition of refractory
CD which of the following
are signs of malabsorption?

     iron deficiency
     folate deficiency
     osteoporosis
     bloating, abd pain, diarrhea*
15

12

9
                                     Of those responding
6                                        bloating etc, 2
                                      indicated that these
3                                    were symptoms that
                                     responded to dietary
0                                        fibre exclusion
          Marker-adherence
TTG+ patient with VA after
12 months despite dietary
adherence, what do you
consider?
     steroids
     repeat biopsy (flow cytometry, immunohistoch, TCR clonal)
     Watch longer
     assume residual gluten (food diary etc)
     Trial liquid/elemental diet

15

12

9

6

3

0
                           what to do?
Patient with severe subtotal
VA on diagnostic biopsy


      always have symptoms
      always have detectable nutritional deficiencies
      can be entirely asymptomatic
      always sero+


15

12

9

6

3

0
                       what to do?
A patient with exceptionally (and unquestionably) good
gluten free dietary compliance (on a ‘supersensitive diet –
excluding all codex wheat products and barley malt extract)
has persisting sub total villous atrophy on repeat biopsy at 12
months and 24 months, but was asymptomatic at presentation
and follow up with normal weight and blood tests. A TTG
titre of 120 normalised to 2 after 6 months on diet and has
persisted at this low level...
                                  no concern
15                                not constitute RCD
                                  should be considered histologically refractory (+ c
12                                steroid trial
                                  steroids and/or azathioprine
9

6

3

0
                    what to do?
If you endoscope for other clinicians do you get the
report sent directly to them for their attention? or do you
see this and act on it? Example 2: If this is not your
patient does the requesting physician have this
responsibility?



  Requesting physician (Yes), n=8
  Sometimes (both my and their responsibility), n=2
  My responsibility, n=1-2
If you endoscope for other clinicians do you get the report
sent directly to them for their attention? or do you see this
and act on it? Example 3: How do you investigate these
patients if serology for coeliac disease is negative?

  HLA, n=5
  Hp, n=4 (CLO or fecal antigen)
  Parasites, N=1
  NSAID’s history, n=1
  IgA levels; n=2
  Review the slides myself
When do you use
immunocytochemistry?


Refractory, n=3
Problematic cases, n=1
Best marker of response to
treatment with GFD


Consider all together, n=2
Combine clinics and serology, n=1

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Summary histopathology BSG-Oslo Sept17 2012

  • 2. Number of biopsies? (same results for Ser+ and Ser=unknown) 4 ≥5 10 7.5 5 2.5 0 Biopsies
  • 3. Which sites-suspected CD (almost same results for Ser+ and Ser=unknown) D1 D2 Beyond D2 Oesophagus Gastric Antral Body 15 12 9 6 3 0 Pos ser Unknown ser
  • 4. Routine CLO-suspected CD (same results for Ser+ and Ser=unknown) (if unknown: 5 (not 4) would talke a CLO-test) Yes No 15 12 9 6 3 0 CLO
  • 5. Endoscopy of patients with suspected coeliac disease, with known pos serology: Do you order any other tests? Giardia, n=1 No, n=7 [may order other tests when the diagnosis is confirmed) Hp-test, n=1 Depends on patient’s symptoms and the mucosal aspects.
  • 6. Endoscopy of patients with suspected coeliac disease, with unknown serology: Do you order any other tests? HLA, n=1 Hp, n=1 [according to mucosal appearance] SIBO, n=1 Serology, n=4 Nothing (No), n=4
  • 7. Do you have review meetings with the pathologist? Yes No weekly, n=8 15 monthly, n=2 12 9 6 3 0 meetings w path
  • 8. Do you as a clinician review the path slides? sometimes always never 15 12 9 6 3 0 meetings w path
  • 9. Who performs the biopsy interpretations? pathologist Other 15 12 9 6 3 0 interpretation
  • 10. Do you tell the pathologist Do you tell the pathologist the serology status if known? other clinical data? yes no yes no 15 15 12 12 9 9 6 6 3 3 0 0 serology status clinical data
  • 11. Agreed with pathologist about classification? yes no 15 12 9 6 3 0 is it possible to agree with a pathologist....?
  • 12. Use the Marsh? (Marsh or Marsh-Oberh, n=12) if no, What classifications? yes no Stand Marsh, n=1 15 Marsh-Oberhuber, n=5 Corazza-Villan, n=2 12 Italian IAP VIllan, n=0 9 Other, n=7 6 3 0 Descriptive, n=2 Marsh
  • 13. Does your hospital have a If a standardized report is standardized histo report/ missing, would you like one? checklist? yes no yes no 15 15 12 12 9 9 6 6 3 3 0 0 checklist Would you like a checklist?
  • 14. Which features are important to state in the histo report?
  • 15. Routine use of when do you use immunohistochemistry immunohistochemistry? yes no borderlne cases only if increased Other 15 15 12 12 9 9 6 6 3 3 0 0 immunohistoch when immunohistoch?
  • 16. Do you get a purely histopath IELs, what is the norm? report? 20 25 Other yes no 15 15 12 12 9 9 6 6 3 3 0 0 IELs purely histo Normal histo, pathologist recommends serolgy: 11/16 yes
  • 17. Are the new ESPGHAN criteria accepted in your country? yes no 15 12 9 6 3 0 Marsh
  • 18. What serology do you use? antigliadin anti-TG2 anti-DGP EMA, IgA EMA, IgG Other 15 12 9 6 3 0 serology test
  • 19. Best marker of dietary Asymptomatic patient with adherence? sero+ and VA symptom relief No need follow GFD antiobdy seroconversion Start GFD histo recovery Start GFD, follow-up with sero only Other Start GFD, follow-up with sero and histo 15 15 12 12 9 9 6 6 3 3 0 0 Marker-adherence what do we do? Consider all the above, n=2
  • 20. Persistent VA in asymptomatic patients on GFD is no concern? strongly agree Agree Neither agree/disagree Strongly disagree 15 12 9 6 3 0 Marker-adherence
  • 21. In the definition of refractory CD which of the following are signs of malabsorption? iron deficiency folate deficiency osteoporosis bloating, abd pain, diarrhea* 15 12 9 Of those responding 6 bloating etc, 2 indicated that these 3 were symptoms that responded to dietary 0 fibre exclusion Marker-adherence
  • 22. TTG+ patient with VA after 12 months despite dietary adherence, what do you consider? steroids repeat biopsy (flow cytometry, immunohistoch, TCR clonal) Watch longer assume residual gluten (food diary etc) Trial liquid/elemental diet 15 12 9 6 3 0 what to do?
  • 23. Patient with severe subtotal VA on diagnostic biopsy always have symptoms always have detectable nutritional deficiencies can be entirely asymptomatic always sero+ 15 12 9 6 3 0 what to do?
  • 24. A patient with exceptionally (and unquestionably) good gluten free dietary compliance (on a ‘supersensitive diet – excluding all codex wheat products and barley malt extract) has persisting sub total villous atrophy on repeat biopsy at 12 months and 24 months, but was asymptomatic at presentation and follow up with normal weight and blood tests. A TTG titre of 120 normalised to 2 after 6 months on diet and has persisted at this low level... no concern 15 not constitute RCD should be considered histologically refractory (+ c 12 steroid trial steroids and/or azathioprine 9 6 3 0 what to do?
  • 25. If you endoscope for other clinicians do you get the report sent directly to them for their attention? or do you see this and act on it? Example 2: If this is not your patient does the requesting physician have this responsibility? Requesting physician (Yes), n=8 Sometimes (both my and their responsibility), n=2 My responsibility, n=1-2
  • 26. If you endoscope for other clinicians do you get the report sent directly to them for their attention? or do you see this and act on it? Example 3: How do you investigate these patients if serology for coeliac disease is negative? HLA, n=5 Hp, n=4 (CLO or fecal antigen) Parasites, N=1 NSAID’s history, n=1 IgA levels; n=2 Review the slides myself
  • 27. When do you use immunocytochemistry? Refractory, n=3 Problematic cases, n=1
  • 28. Best marker of response to treatment with GFD Consider all together, n=2 Combine clinics and serology, n=1

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