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This is the COSCUP 2023 talk slide.
https://coscup.org/2023/en/session/GCT8EF
This PDF file is a hybrid pdf, so it can be opened with LibreOffice Impress
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The talk is for LibreOffice Conference 2015 Aarhus.
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Last year(2020) and this year(2021) activities, such as participating in NIPA(The National IT Industry Promotion Agency - IT industry promotion organization operated by the Republic of Korea Government)'s open source activity hold programs, supporting Korea-Japan LibreOffice conference by NIPA, and LibreOffice Local Community's activities (such as Hacktoberfest activities).
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State of CJK issues of LibreOffice, 2021 edition
1. State of CJK issues of LibreOffice,
2021 edition
Shinji Enoki
shinji.enoki@libreoffice.org
23 Sep. 2021
2. Agenda
●
What are CJK issues?
●
Typical LibreOffice CJK functions
●
CJK bugs status
●
Typical CJK issues
●
Japanese Comunity
●
Conclusion
3. 3
Shinji Enoki ( 榎真治 )
●
Member of LibreOffice Japanese Team (2011-)
●
Membership Committee Deputies of The Document
Foundation (2020-)
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Activity: organizing events, building
communities, sometimes QA
●
Other communities:
– Vice-chairperson of Japan UNIX Society
– staff of KANSAI OPEN SOURCE
– etc.
7. 7
What are CJK issues / bugs
●
CJK is an abbreviation for “Chinese-Japanese-
Korean”
●
Chinese, Japanese, and Korean are different
languages and different culture
●
But they have some common features
– Multibyte characters, vertical writing, etc.
8. 8
●
What are CJK issues / bugs (2)
●
Japanese:
●
Kanji (Chinese characters Japanese version) + Hiragana + Katakana
– 私は LibreOffice カンファレンスに参加します
●
Chinese:
●
Mainland: Simplified Chinese characters
– 我将参加 LibreOffice 会议
●
Taiwan: Traditional Chinese characters
– 我將參加 LibreOffice 會議
●
Korean
●
Hangul + Hanja (Chinese characters)
– 나는 LibreOffice 회의에 참석할 것입니다
It may be wrong because
it is machine translation
9. 9
●
What are CJK issues / bugs (3)
●
LibreOffice has many language-specific features
and issues, CJK issue is one of them
●
CJK issues happen when used in CJK's
environment
10.
11. 11
TDF : Next Decade Manifesto
“To support the preservation of mother tongue by
encouraging people to translate,document, support,
and promote our office productivity tools in their
mother tongue”
●
I think this is important
12. 12
CJK users need to report / reproduce
CJK bugs
●
It is hard to notice / understand CJK bug unless
it is people of CJK
●
Many LibreOffice developers are not CJK people
14. 14
Overview of CJK functions
●
Text Layout
– Vertical writing
– Phonetic guides (ruby)
– Line Composition
●
Multi byte character
●
Input methods
●
Calendar
●
…
●
CJK needs similar functionality, but its rules are different
16. 16
Text grid (2)
●
Intuitively understand volume and number of
characters
●
Professional and amateur writers used such
"Genkou-youshi" when writing on real paper
●
Number of characters can be seen with “Word
Count” function
– But some people like this style
17. Text grid (3)
●
Writer menu
[Format]>[Page
style]
●
Chose [Text Grid]
tab
●
Chose “Grid (lines
and characters)
19. Text grid (5) : setting problem
Lines per page,
Characters per line,
Max.base text size,
Changing one affects
other values
For vertical writing, I
could not be set to 20x20
I used a website
template
20. 20
More CJK fanctions
Please check, last year's my slide
●
https://conference.libreoffice.org/assets/libocon2
020/Slides/enoki-cjk.pdf
Slideshare
21. 21
Reference: W3C Requirements documents
●
Requirements for Japanese Text Layout
– https://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/
– “This document describes requirements for general Japanese layout realized with
technologies like CSS, SVG and XSL-FO. ”
●
Requirements for Chinese Text Layout 中文排版需求
– https://www.w3.org/TR/clreq/
– “This document was developed by people working in different areas, using both
Simplified and Traditional Chinese. ”
●
Requirements for Hangul Text Layout and Typography
– https://www.w3.org/TR/klreq/
●
Each documents are maintained. JA document is discussed on GitHub Issues
24. Depends on CJK Meta issue #83066
Many issues have not been tracked by meta issue yet
2017/10 2018/9 2019/9 2020/9 2021/9
Depends
on:(All)
135 168 186 207 222
Open 59 73 73 80 78
Close 76 95 113 127 144
29. 29
Text with specific fonts (e.g., Noto Sans CJK SC),
at specific size, disappeared when page Grid
Line is enabled : Bug#144122
●
Characters are not
displayed depending
on the character size in
"Grid (lines only)"
mode
●
Not fixed
30. 30
Asian phonetic guide for Japanese does not
work properly if I change the default "base
text".: Bug#141466
●
delete a part of Base text and press Apply, it
becomes an incorrect string
●
Not fixed
delete
31. 31
Calc: Characters rotated when printed in Asian
layout mode of vertical writing : Bug#144378
●
Calc menu
[Format]-[Cells]
>>[Alignment] tab
>>Enable "Vertically stacked" and
"Asian layout mode"
●
Rotates when printed
●
Not fixed
●
There seems to be a similar
problem with vertical writing in
Writer
32. 32
EDITING: When full-width character punctuation mark
after the half-width character in vertical writing, the full-
width character punctuation mark is rotated: Bug#144003
●
In Writer vertical writing
mode,
●
Punctuation mark and
some rotates, if there is
an alphabet in front of it
●
3dot , 2dot reader change
●
Not fixed
34. 34
Change / add some settings and data for
Japanese users
●
Nogata-san tried to improve usability
35. 35
Added traditional Japanese month
names
●
Add traditional Japanese month names to Calc's
sort list
●
Added to 7.2
●
Nogata-san created
a patch
36. 36
Added a cell format that mixes
Japanese and Western calendars
●
Users no longer have to create by simply
choosing this format
●
Added to 7.2
●
Nogata-san created
a patch
37. 37
Added label and business card paper data
●
Iwahashi-san checked and organized data of
business cards and label papers in Japan
– Added and modified based on the data created by
Kamadaki-san more than
10 years ago
●
Added to 7.2
●
Nogata-san created a patch
38. 38
Issues picked up at last year's conference
●
Introduced in my talk last year
●
Let's see after that
39. ODS exported by Excel with Asian phonetic
guide is displayed as empty :Bug#129940
●
Ruby is not supported in Calc
●
Not only ruby, ruby
base text
●
is not displayed
●
content.xml of ODS file
ruby
include
ruby
not include
Fixed in 7.2/7.1.1 by Mark Hung
Calc does not support Asian phonetic
guide, but base test is displayed
40. When Skia is enabled in vertical writing, changing
the font scale changes the font size: Bug#136081
●
Setting to change Font width,
●
Font size has been changed
●
●
Skia rendering is enabled
●
on Windows only
●
●
Mark Hung and Luboš Luňák
●
created patch
●
Fiexd in 7.2
Correct behavior
Correct behavior
41. When Skia is on, the 3-point leader(dot-dot-
dot) is not working vertical writing
●
U+2026(3-point leader) is woring vertical writing, now
●
Not working: 7.0.6
●
Working: 7.1.6 / 7.2.0
Expected Results
Actual Results
43. 43
Japanese community
●
Japanese community contributors seem to have
been tired
– There may also be a pandemic effect
– The number of active members of Japanese team is very
low
●
However, contributions such as bug reports can be
seen from non Japanese core members
– I want to follow casual contributors
44. 44
●
I sometimes support bug reporting or bug triage
together in Online Hackfest
– However, the number of chances is still small
●
I'm looking for a way to reach potential
contributors
45. 45
Conclusion
●
Many CJK functions are implemented in
LibreOffice
●
CJK function is often broken
– Of course, mostly okay
●
I will to organize cjk issues and follow up casual
Japanese (cjk) contributors
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