Retirement Income Summit

                 20 June 2012
          #retirementincome
Welcome
Baroness Sally Greengross

              Chief Executive
                      ILC-UK
           #retirementincome
Gregg McClymont MP
  Shadow Pensions Minister



       #retirementincome
Lord Kirkwood
Former Liberal Democrat Spokesperson for
              Work and Pensions 2007-10



                    #retirementincome
Nigel Waterson
ILC-UK Trustee and former Shadow
                 Pensions Minister



              #retirementincome
Post RDR financial advice may be beyond
   the means of the average person. How
              can we fill the advice gap?
Steve Groves
       Partnership




#retirementincome
Post RDR financial advice – How
do we fill the gap
Steve Groves
18 June 2013
Backdrop
   Start from a low base for average consumers
   Around 40% of people shop around
   Nearly 100% of those with pots over £100k shop around
   RDR will make advice more expensive
   By removing cross subsidies from big funds to average
    funds
   Are we heading for an Annuity Apartheid?
   This isn’t just an RDR issue, it exacerbates an existing
    market failure
   Therefore its lazy to simply blame RDR
   Need Industry, Government, Regulators, Insurers and
    IFAs to work together
5 Recommendations
 Lets all take the advice gap seriously – One key measure
    of our industry is how it works for ordinary people
   Lets find a default option that can make simplified advice
    work for average funds and simple needs
   Lets examine proportionality in regulation and see if we
    can make things simpler for customers
   Life Offices need to use these changes to make it far
    simpler and far less intimidating to shop around
   Advisers need to develop efficient, differentiated solutions
    to meet the various customer needs and wants.

“The time for blaming each other for market failures has
gone, this group could work together and deliver better
consumer outcomes if we choose to – I’m up for it, I’m
pretty sure Aviva are up for it…….”
Tom McPhail
Hargreave Landsdown




 #retirementincome
Roger Marsden
            Aviva




#retirementincome
Coffee Break




#retirementincome
Good regulation protects the consumer
but it must not inadvertently damage the
    potential of products and services to
increase pensioner income. How can we
ensure that the length and complexity of
 communications required by legislation
     does not damage communications?
Steve Lowe
   Just Retirement




#retirementincome
Jeff Prestridge
             Mail on Sunday

justgiving.com/jeff-prestridge


        #retirementincome
Dean Mirfin
Key Retirement Solutions




    #retirementincome
Dean Mirfin
People with average sized pension pots
are entitled to reasonable outcomes. How
    can we improve the pension’s annuity
 process for the consumer and industry?
Jane Vass
          Age UK




#retirementincome
Reasonable outcomes for modest savers

Jane Vass

ILC-UK Retirement Income Summit

20 June 2012
What is average?

 Distribution of total wealth in DC funds across individuals with at least one DC pot




 Source: IFS, Fund Holdings in defined contribution pensions, 2012
Our priorities

• Making it easier to move between all parts of the
  retirement income process
• Improved transparency
• Fairer treatment for small savers
• Better value for all savers
• Innovation in the interests of consumers
Alan Higham
 Retirement Angels




#retirementincome
International Longevity Centre UK
   & The Actuarial Profession’s
   Retirement Income Summit

         Chartered Financial Planners
Overview

                                                              Enlighten
                             Interest                                                           Educate
                       Keep it short                                                          Keep it simple
                            Validate                                                          Implement
                        Make it safe                                                          Make it easy
                                                                        Fulfil
Annuity Direct is a trading name of Annuity Direct Limited                                         Chartered Financial Planners
Registered in England and Wales no. 06121251 at Pascall House, Cothey Way, Ryde PO33 1QT
Independent Financial Advisers authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority
Ideas for safe & easy
         • Default to check ceding scheme
                 - 1 in 7 could lose out otherwise
         • Agree standard discharge process
                - Fidelity & Scottish Life good practice
         • Recognise good behaviour
         • Challenge bad & resolve

Annuity Direct is a trading name of Annuity Direct Limited                                    Chartered Financial Planners
Registered in England and Wales no. 06121251 at Pascall House, Cothey Way, Ryde PO33 1QT
Independent Financial Advisers authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority
Your Retirement, Your Choices.
Make sure you make the right ones.




Tel:   0500 50 65 75
Email: info@annuitydirect.co.uk
Web: www.annuitydirect.co.uk



                   Chartered Financial Planners
Dr Yvonne Braun
              ABI




 #retirementincome
Only a minority switch provider –
          and fewer of those with smaller pots

80%
70%
60%
50%
40%
30%
20%
10%
0%




      Internal Annuities   External Annuities

                             Source: ABI quarterly long-term business survey, Q1 2012
How can we improve the process for small pots?

The ABI Code of Conduct on Retirement Choices will ensure our members:

   Provide clear and consistent communications to ensure customers are able to make informed decisions

   Highlight different types of retirement income, particularly enhanced annuities

   Clearly signpost customers to sources of advice and support, from regulated advisers and others

   Establish transparency in the annuity market so that it is more easily understandable and accessible

What else will make a difference?

   Consistency across all parts of the industry

   A solution to the small pots problem which increases pot sizes
“Defined ambition”


                     Mike Le Brun
Policy Adviser to the Pensions Minister

                      #retirementincome
Closing Panel Thoughts
           Steve Groves
               Partnership

         Roger Marsden
                    Aviva

         #retirementincome
Retirement Income Summit

                 20 June 2012
          #retirementincome

Retirement Income Summit

  • 1.
    Retirement Income Summit 20 June 2012 #retirementincome
  • 2.
    Welcome Baroness Sally Greengross Chief Executive ILC-UK #retirementincome
  • 3.
    Gregg McClymont MP Shadow Pensions Minister #retirementincome
  • 4.
    Lord Kirkwood Former LiberalDemocrat Spokesperson for Work and Pensions 2007-10 #retirementincome
  • 5.
    Nigel Waterson ILC-UK Trusteeand former Shadow Pensions Minister #retirementincome
  • 6.
    Post RDR financialadvice may be beyond the means of the average person. How can we fill the advice gap?
  • 7.
    Steve Groves Partnership #retirementincome
  • 8.
    Post RDR financialadvice – How do we fill the gap Steve Groves 18 June 2013
  • 9.
    Backdrop  Start from a low base for average consumers  Around 40% of people shop around  Nearly 100% of those with pots over £100k shop around  RDR will make advice more expensive  By removing cross subsidies from big funds to average funds  Are we heading for an Annuity Apartheid?  This isn’t just an RDR issue, it exacerbates an existing market failure  Therefore its lazy to simply blame RDR  Need Industry, Government, Regulators, Insurers and IFAs to work together
  • 10.
    5 Recommendations  Letsall take the advice gap seriously – One key measure of our industry is how it works for ordinary people  Lets find a default option that can make simplified advice work for average funds and simple needs  Lets examine proportionality in regulation and see if we can make things simpler for customers  Life Offices need to use these changes to make it far simpler and far less intimidating to shop around  Advisers need to develop efficient, differentiated solutions to meet the various customer needs and wants. “The time for blaming each other for market failures has gone, this group could work together and deliver better consumer outcomes if we choose to – I’m up for it, I’m pretty sure Aviva are up for it…….”
  • 11.
  • 12.
    Roger Marsden Aviva #retirementincome
  • 13.
  • 14.
    Good regulation protectsthe consumer but it must not inadvertently damage the potential of products and services to increase pensioner income. How can we ensure that the length and complexity of communications required by legislation does not damage communications?
  • 15.
    Steve Lowe Just Retirement #retirementincome
  • 16.
    Jeff Prestridge Mail on Sunday justgiving.com/jeff-prestridge #retirementincome
  • 17.
    Dean Mirfin Key RetirementSolutions #retirementincome
  • 18.
  • 20.
    People with averagesized pension pots are entitled to reasonable outcomes. How can we improve the pension’s annuity process for the consumer and industry?
  • 21.
    Jane Vass Age UK #retirementincome
  • 22.
    Reasonable outcomes formodest savers Jane Vass ILC-UK Retirement Income Summit 20 June 2012
  • 23.
    What is average? Distribution of total wealth in DC funds across individuals with at least one DC pot Source: IFS, Fund Holdings in defined contribution pensions, 2012
  • 24.
    Our priorities • Makingit easier to move between all parts of the retirement income process • Improved transparency • Fairer treatment for small savers • Better value for all savers • Innovation in the interests of consumers
  • 25.
    Alan Higham RetirementAngels #retirementincome
  • 26.
    International Longevity CentreUK & The Actuarial Profession’s Retirement Income Summit Chartered Financial Planners
  • 27.
    Overview Enlighten Interest Educate Keep it short Keep it simple Validate Implement Make it safe Make it easy Fulfil Annuity Direct is a trading name of Annuity Direct Limited Chartered Financial Planners Registered in England and Wales no. 06121251 at Pascall House, Cothey Way, Ryde PO33 1QT Independent Financial Advisers authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority
  • 28.
    Ideas for safe& easy • Default to check ceding scheme - 1 in 7 could lose out otherwise • Agree standard discharge process - Fidelity & Scottish Life good practice • Recognise good behaviour • Challenge bad & resolve Annuity Direct is a trading name of Annuity Direct Limited Chartered Financial Planners Registered in England and Wales no. 06121251 at Pascall House, Cothey Way, Ryde PO33 1QT Independent Financial Advisers authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority
  • 29.
    Your Retirement, YourChoices. Make sure you make the right ones. Tel: 0500 50 65 75 Email: info@annuitydirect.co.uk Web: www.annuitydirect.co.uk Chartered Financial Planners
  • 30.
    Dr Yvonne Braun ABI #retirementincome
  • 31.
    Only a minorityswitch provider – and fewer of those with smaller pots 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10% 0% Internal Annuities External Annuities Source: ABI quarterly long-term business survey, Q1 2012
  • 32.
    How can weimprove the process for small pots? The ABI Code of Conduct on Retirement Choices will ensure our members:  Provide clear and consistent communications to ensure customers are able to make informed decisions  Highlight different types of retirement income, particularly enhanced annuities  Clearly signpost customers to sources of advice and support, from regulated advisers and others  Establish transparency in the annuity market so that it is more easily understandable and accessible What else will make a difference?  Consistency across all parts of the industry  A solution to the small pots problem which increases pot sizes
  • 33.
    “Defined ambition” Mike Le Brun Policy Adviser to the Pensions Minister #retirementincome
  • 34.
    Closing Panel Thoughts Steve Groves Partnership Roger Marsden Aviva #retirementincome
  • 35.
    Retirement Income Summit 20 June 2012 #retirementincome

Editor's Notes

  • #30 Group compliance iofficer (barrister) and group risk manager sit on compliance sub committee with Bob & Katherine.