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University Marketing departments need to influence the whole marketing mix and not just communications/promotions if they want to achieve sustained long term enrolments.
Why is the college discovery process so broken? Our solution (1st pitch)George K
Education is at the core of who we are. Our closest friends and our future career path by enlarge depend on where we go to college, right? If the stakes are so high why should the burden of search be on high school students? With so much white noise how can teenagers find out what school matches their potential? Today students are making arguably the most important decision in their life based on US New rankings and perceptions of friends and family, leading to stress for students today and wasted potential down the line.
There has to be a better way. We want to change the way high school students interact with universities by enabling colleges to reach out directly to students based on their achievements, interests, and preferences
www.reachey.com
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Colleges are facing challenges like never before, including:
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- increased pressure from for-profit institutions and online colleges
- decreased funding.
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If you are interested in seeing a recording of the webinar, just message me at Glenn.Evans@hobsons.com
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Acquiring and retaining talent is crucial to an organization’s success. College Recruiting can provide additional strategic benefits to your Recruitment plan. It can help your organization manage its talent gaps as well as promote your brand message on campus. A University recruitment program is not determined by the size of the company, every company regardless of large or small should examine their recruiting opportunities as a way to attract the best and brightest; and having a strategic College Recruiting program in place, can help an organization with:
1. Creating a pipeline of interns and entry level hires that will help grow the organization.
2. Choose and select the best talent in a shorter amount of time than traditional recruitment
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Marketing and Advancement: Colleagues and Partners or Direct ReportsmStoner, Inc.
This was presented at the 2018 AMA Higher Education Conference by Michael Stoner, co-founder and co-owner at mStoner, Inc. and Rob Zinkan, associate vice president, marketing, at Indiana University.
In this presentation, based on insights from the 2018 Benchmarking Digital Advancement research by CASE and mStoner, Inc., and interviews with senior advancement and marketing professionals, we explore the current relationship between the CMO and chief advancement officer. Are they colleagues and partners? And, more importantly, what
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This is a presentation coordinated for the Warrington College of Business's first undergraduate Case Competition. We were able to introduce a strategy that focused on marketing in order to provide a solution to the need for increasing interest in the minor.
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- Adapting to a globalizing recruitment stage
- Aligning yourself with Millennial career preferences
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The presentation is from a webinar that took an in depth look at pressures facing higher education enrollment management over the next decade and how institutions can adapt to meet the needs of today’s students.
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- increased pressure from for-profit institutions and online colleges
- decreased funding.
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2. Choose and select the best talent in a shorter amount of time than traditional recruitment
3. Save time and effort in Advertisement, Screening and Selection.
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A10 Best Practices For Non-Traditional Student RecruitmentGreenwood & Hall
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- Adapting to a globalizing recruitment stage
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2. Today’s agenda
The business context
Bottom-line essentials
Calculating ROI
Getting the data
The virtuous cycle
Measurement
A more ambitious model
A final thought
Q&A
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4. Where the money comes from
Public R/D
Private Research
Private BA
Net Tuition
Net Tuition
Net Tuition
State/local
State/Local
State/Local
Federal
Federal
Federal
Auxilary
Auxilary
Auxilary
Phil/End
Phil/End
Phil/End
American Institutes for Research 2012
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5. Step one: build your own pie chart
Mid-tier Private
Tuition/Fees
Gifts
Fed/State
Auxilary
Endowment
Income
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6. Step one: build your own pie chart
Why would you
construct such a
chart?
With whom would you
share it?
Mid-tier private
Tuition/Fees
Gifts
Fed/State
What is the point
you’re trying to
make?
What is the goal of
this discussion?
Auxilary
Funds
Endowment
Income
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7. Step two: the investment argument
Revenue
Expenditures
Instruction
Tuition/Fees
Acad Support
Gifts
Student Serv
Fed/State
Inst. Support
Auxilary
Marketing
Endowment Income
Auxilary
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8. The big takeaway
Shift the discussion from cost (expense) to revenue (return)
Gain clarity on the business goals of the institution, and
where marketing investment links to those goals
Make sure goals are trackable and achievable
Commit to achievable, priority goals
Start planning
Execute the plan and track results
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13. Assessing value
Overarching consideration
To increase value, either enhance experience or decrease
cost.
Which makes more sense for your institution?
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14. Understand the business realities
What is the optimum “carrying capacity” of your institution?
• Traditional students
• Nontraditional students
What •revenue increase can you
Graduate/professional students
• Continuing education
promise with a larger investment?
What is the gap between this carrying capacity and your
current enrollment?
What is the relationship between key revenue factors?
• # of students vs. discount rate
• Recruitment vs. retention
What is your current marketing investment?
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16. Return On Investment Formula
Basic fact: to determine any formulaic relationship, you
need both a numerator and a denominator
• Numerator (top): Revenue generated
• Denominator (bottom): Cost of investment
Liberal arts institutions—relatively straightforward
MA institutions—a bit more complicated
R/D institutions—a major headache
Capture what you can and estimate the rest
• Research/validate/confirm with your CFO
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17. Cost/investment elements to consider
Advertising
Print publications
Web development/hosting
Mobile/digital/social
Market research
Outsourced services
Staff salaries/benefits
Etc.
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18. Classic ROI
Numerator: All revenue linked to marketing activities
Denominator: All marketing costs
Issue: For complex institutions, very hard to get accurate
data on both sides of the equation
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19. Special focus
Assumption: overall marketing budget/activities continue as
in previous years
Specific target identified for special investment
• Numerator: revenue linked to targeted activities
• Denominator: marketing costs related to targeted
activities
Formula the same, but data more easily gathered
and tracked
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20. Enrollment example
Median Public U invests $250,000 to recruit 50 additional
students (data based on average national tuition/fees
income for public university)
ROI = 3.375
• For each “exceptional” $1 invested, the institution nets
$3.375
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23. Job #1: Getting The Data
Marketing function decentralized—total spend unknown?
Revenue data: tuition rates, credit hours, FTEs or ?
CMO: authority/responsibility to gather data on
expenditures, enrollment and revenue
Work with CFO, Provost or both to:
• Gather centralized data on marketing expenditures
• Change policies on how marketing expenditures are budgeted and coded
• Identify consistent definitions for revenue calculations
Work with schools/colleges/admissions/development to :
• Reduce the inherent threat
• Understand marketing investments
• Create template for compiling data
American University
24. Job #2: Frame Your Measures
Developing a basis of comparison is critical
• Measure against your own institution over time
• Establish formulas and apply consistently over time
• Measure against your competition where possible
Use data shared through formal and informal groups
Use publicly available data (ex: IPEDS)
Many measures may have less relevance until you have been tracking
your ROI for three years
You will have to make some tough decisions about how the metrics are
calculated in the first year and then use the same calculations year after
year
American University
25. Strategic and Tactical
Marketing Cost per Student
Student Acquisition Cost
Revenue contribution
Cost per lead
Market Share
Advertising to Sales Ratio
Lifetime value of a student
Response Rate
American University
27. Ex: Marketing Cost Per Student
How much does it cost
to market to one student?
Total Expenses
Marketing Cost
Per Student
=
______________
Calculate :
• MCPS=total marketing expense
◦
◦
◦
◦
With and without salaries included
For all students vs. For new students
By type of student
By school or college at grad level
MCPS declines as product matures;
significantly higher for a newly launched
program
Total Students Enrolled
Adapted for ROI for annual fund; how
much does it cost to market to one donor
to the annual fund?
Adapted from CASE District II ROI presentation Flannery and Scarborough, February 2009
American University
30. The virtuous cycle
• A marketer’s job
doesn’t end when
the class arrives on
campus.
• The cheapest
student to
“recruit” is the
one you already
won.
• Happy alumni
provide multiple
benefits.
Recruitment
Retention
Advancement
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31. Impacts of retention
• U.S. News reporting
• Confirmation of recruitment of “right fit” students
• Reality-check on the authenticity of the promise you
made
• Financial stability/predictability
• Less need to “re-recruit” to fill in for shrinkage
• Class stays robust through to graduation
• Cost of recruitment for first-year students amortized
• Private <$500
• Public <$120
• “2% increase at Private College X means an additional
$750,000…at Public University Y more than $2.5 million.”
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32. Factors that affect retention
• Is the student the “right fit” for the institution?
• First-choice vs. fall-back
• Academic ability/preparation
• Authenticity of brand promise
• Did you make a promise you can fulfill?
• Does the institution understand the promise you
made?
• Financial aid follow-through
• Orientation, advising, and intervention
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33. Factors you can do something about
• Understand the issues
• Incoming student survey
• NSSE
• Stop-out/transfer tracking
• Exit interview/research
• Ethnographic intake
• Enhance brand awareness
• Faculty/staff workshops
• Messaging
• Reinforcement
• Orientation
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34. What do alumni want?
Graduation
A job
Self-guided
connectivity
Low debt load
Pride of
accomplishment
10 years
Continued degree
relevance
Pride in
institutional
progress
Networking
Selective
connectivity
20 years
Institutional pride
Selective
networking
Legacy
consideration
30+ years
Recognition
Achievement
validations
Impact
opportunities
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38. ROI
• University invests $900,000 for sophisticated integrated
annual fund campaign that raises an additional $5.2
million
4.7 = ($5,200,000 — $900,000)
$900,000
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39. Philanthropic impact of individuals
In 2012, higher education received $41.3BB in
philanthropic support
• Estimated $10.1BB came from alumni/ae
• Approximately 25% of total
Additional $8.26BB came from parents & non-alumni
individuals
• Approximately 20% of total
Foundations/corporations/other orgs counted for the rest
• Question: who runs foundations/corps/other orgs?
• Answer: people
Recommendation: Participate in/subscribe to VSE
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40. Capital campaign
University spends 5-15% of goal on a campaign; materials and
events 20-30% of that total; mar/comm 30% of that
ROI: 165/1
$6M
$1B
$100M+
$20M
Source: http://www.phildev.iupui.edu/TheFundRaisingSchool/
PrecourseReadings/precourse_capitalcampaignspierpont.aspx
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42. Things that can’t be definitively measured
Corporate definition of brand value:
Brand value in academe is harder to measure
One evaluation system lists HE brands among the highest
value in the world
• Harvard, Stanford, MIT in top 10 (w/Coca
Cola, American Express, Nike)
• Berkeley, Cambridge, Oxford in top 15
Brand value has impact on selectivity, retention, alumni
pride/engagement, faculty recruitment, corporate and
foundation investments
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43. Things that can be measured
Traditional
advertising
w/specific CTA
200
Open house invites
w/tracking info
180
Coupons, swag
giveaway
140
Program outreach
w/distinct URL
100
Anything digital
E3
160
120
E5
E6
80
E7
E4
60
Google analytics
40
Social media
20
E2
E1
0
9/17
9/24
10/1
10/8
10/15
10/22
10/29
11/5
11/12
11/19
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45. Retained value of each student recruited
Sally
Billy
Institution
Median Public U
Average Private U
Total revenue
$67,626
$168,896
Cost to recruit
$457
$2,185
Cost ratio
148:1
77:1
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46. Scaling up: Investment/return per class
Median Public U
Year 1
$52,969,500
Year 2
$42,375,600
Year 3
$29,375,600
Year 4
$24,950,800
Alumni Giving
$7,200,000
Capital commitment
$25,000,000
Total revenue/class
$181,614,500
Assumptions: 3,000 matriculants, 80% first-year retention, 50% live on-campus
first two years, 60% graduation rate, 10% alumni giving rate (x40), average
gift $1,000
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47. Scaling up: Investment/return per class
Average Private U
Year 1
$29,346,400
Year 2
$26,411,760
Year 3
$19,477,120
Year 4
$16,958,480
Alumni Giving
$11,200,000
Capital commitment
$40,000,000
Total revenue/class
$143,393,760
Assumptions: 1,000 matriculants, 90% first-year retention, 40% discount rate,
50% live on-campus four years, 50% live on campus two years, 70% graduation
rate, 20% alumni giving rate (x40), average gift $2,000
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48. Acquisition cost ratio
Median Public U
Average Private U
How important is revenue to your institution?
How should you “scale” marketing investment relative to
the importance of revenue?
How integrated are your recruitment, student affairs, and
advancement divisions?
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49. Enrollment example
Median Public U invests $250,000 to recruit 50 additional
students
What happens when we factor in lifetime value?
And that’s not even counting annual fund or
capital/planned giving
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50. Enrollment example
Average Private U invests $250,000 to recruit 25 (full pay)
additional students
And lifetime value?
With 40% discount rate?
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# 3Them: “We want to increase diversity, bring in more out-of-state students, significantly reduce our discount rate and lower our unfunded financial aid support, improve yield, and raise the average SAT score at least 10%.”You: “Won’t happen.”