Robust Conversations at Every Level July 4, 2007 Lucy West
Overview Making the case for talk  Talk tools Analyzing talk in video clips Questions
Children grow into the intellectual life around them. Vygotsky What is the quality of the intellectual life at your school? What’s your evidence?
What do the adults at your school spend the majority of their time talking to each other about? What do students hear adults discussing? How often do students see teachers engaged in learning?
Are the adult conversations and practices at your school designed to develop student academic proficiencies well beyond high scores on achievement tests?
Hypotheses If adults are visibly, actively, and passionately  learning together  students will too. If adults are publicly willing to try on new skills, analyze their erroneous thinking aloud, experiment, tinker, and  laugh  at themselves when they mess up, students will too.
What is accountable talk? What role does talk play in developing professional expertise? What is the nature of talk that results in dramatic improvement in student achievement?
Accountable to the Learning Community Accountable talk seriously responds to and further develops what others in the group have said.
Accountable to the Learning Community What is the nature of the talk at meetings of adults at your school? Are people questioning each other’s ideas,weighing suggestions, considering alternatives, providing evidence?
Accountable to the Learning Community What is the nature of the talk in your classrooms? Are students questioning each other’s ideas,weighing suggestions, considering alternatives, providing evidence?
Accountable to Knowledge Accountable talk puts forth and demands knowledge that is accurate and relevant to the issue under discussion. Accountable talk uses evidence appropriate to the discipline (e.g., proofs in mathematics, textual details in literature)
Accountable to Knowledge What knowledge is put forth and demanded of adults at your school in relation to instructional strategies and evidence of their impact? A plethora of instructional strategies is key
Accountable to Knowledge What evidence can you site that worksheets develop understanding or skill? What evidence can you site that all students should be engaging in the same activities at the same time?
Accountable to Reasoning Accountable talk follows established norms of good reasoning
Accountable to Reasoning Are the teachers at your school focused on student reasoning or right answers?
Research  Exemplary teachers foster much more student talk--teacher/student and student/student Purposeful talk-problem-posing and problem-solving--teachers and students Richard Allington
Nature of Talk Interrogational--teachers pose problems, children respond, teacher verifies or corrects Conversational--discuss ideas, concepts, hypotheses, strategies and responses
Research In successful high poverty schools the environment talk is more conversational than interrogational. Interactions invited conversations. Teachers worked to get kids to think aloud and modeled thinking aloud. Richard Allington
Research When classes are conversational the achievement gains are twice as large as when there is a focus on phonics. Richard Allington
Nature of Talk Teacher questions more “open” inviting multiple and varied correct responses Teacher curious about thinking and making thinking visible
One activity that assists struggling readers is  engaging in literate conversations. Richard Allington Could engaging in robust mathematics conversations assist struggling learners?
Talk Develops Language If you want to develop language and the capacity to write, have students answer questions and write in full sentences. Douglas Reeves How often are students answering in one word or number in the math class?
Research Students at all levels benefited from exemplary teaching, but it was the lowest achievers who benefited most. Expertise matters
Dialogue Dialogue is the central aspect of co-intelligence. We can only generate higher levels of intelligence among us if we are doing some high quality talking with one another. Tom Alec, The Tao Of Democracy
Dialogue Please turn to a partner and discuss the ideas I have presented so far  Write down any questions you would like to ask
Professional Dialogue Discussing Practice Nicole--2nd Year Teacher--5th Grade Jessica--3rd Year Teacher--Coach People in the Background--Coaches Cultivating a Learning Culture
Questioning Practice Chef Leo bought 1-1/2  pints of strawberries. Altogether he used 3/4  of  the strawberries to make tarts. How many pints of strawberries does he have  left ? Please solve the problem.
Questioning Practice Chef Leo bought 1-1/2  pints of strawberries. Altogether he used 3/4  of  the strawberries to make tarts. How many pints of strawberries does he have  left ? What about key words like  “of”   “left”   “altogether”?
Video Clip 1
Questioning Practice What is your thinking about teaching “key words” in mathematics problems? Do you teach “key words” in other content areas? If so why? If not, why not? What might be the drawbacks of a “key words” approach? What additional strategies might you suggest?
Questions for Practice I used 2/3  of  a can  of  paint to cover 1/2 the floor  of  the porch. How much paint will be needed for the whole floor? Please solve this problem.
Questions for Practice I used 2/3  of  a can  of  paint to cover 1/2  of  the floor of the porch. How much paint will be needed for the whole floor? Does “of” indicate multiplication in this problem? If so, what are you multiplying? If not, what did you do to solve the problem? What confusions, difficulties, might students display?
Questions for Practice Many students in the first class wanted to multiply  It was difficult to get them to think beyond key words Coach and teacher become aware of this unintended impact
Video Clip 2
Considering Alternatives Responding to a question from the observing coaches and teachers Acknowledging mistakes Now what?
Video Clip 3
Class 2-Painting the Porch Replanned the lesson based on our learning Students were asked to read the problem to themselves and discuss with neighbor--asked questions of teacher Students worked alone and with partners--many had difficulty  Summary meeting to share some ideas and student work
Talk Tools 22 Verbal Events Classroom Discussion Moves Questioning the Author Moves Please read these three documents Choose the one that resonates for you Use it as a lens to view the discussion
Class 2--Painting the Porch First time working with this class-consultant/coach 20 observers Focus on developing meaning/use of language Not exemplar--just an example--problematic moments in teaching/learning View it through inquiry stance
Classroom Clip Use your transcript Identify talk moves made by the teacher Look for evidence of development of language Look for evidence of reasoning Look for evidence of accountability to the community
Video Clip
Classroom Clip At your tables please do the following: Read an example from the transcript  State what move you think it is Or state what evidence it represents regarding language development, reasoning, or community accountability Do this one at a time going around the table until each person has shared Then discuss or respond in any way you like
Classroom Clip-Border Problem How do teachers handle mistakes? How might errors become pathways to learning?
Classroom Clip 2 The Border Problem Please solve the following problem. Consider what errors students might make?
Bordering a Pool How many red tiles will it take to border a five-by-five pool with a width of one square unit?
Why Does It Take 24 Tiles?
Classroom Clip 2 Perimeter can be confused with border. The solution is: Perimeter + 4 (corner tiles) = Border What is the area of the pool with the border?
Classroom Clip 2 What is the area of the pool with the border?   Why might someone think the pool with the border would have an area of 36 square units? How did a 5 x 5 pool become 7 x 7 if you only added one square unit of border? In other words, why is the pool with the border not a 6 x 6?
Classroom Clip 2 View the tape with an ear toward how mistakes are handled in this classroom Consider what results from examining a student’s error 8th Grade students Several entered class 2 years below grade level All graduated having met standard on the 8th grade state mathematics test
Video Clip-Border Problem
Classroom-Border Problem Use transcript to find evidence of talk moves Focus on the teacher’s moves with Christen Focus on the comments of Tiffany and Lulu
Analyzing the Talk Right or wrong ask, “How did you get that?” What does this accomplish? It establishes the norm that we are interested in each other’s thinking  It establishes a mathematical habit of mind to think about your thinking.
Analyzing the Talk What does this accomplish? It develops the skills to meet one of mathematical performance standards—the ability to communicate your thinking.  It allows us to informally assess what our students do and do not understand in order to guide instructional decisions.
Classroom Clip--Alexis How might we entice reluctant learners to participate in the conversation? Refer to data on handout  Transcript of Bridge Problem
Paper Bridges Data 8th Grade Class, Baltimore, MD.
Bridge Problem 7th Grade Class--not yet engaging in discourse 28 students present--100% African American Classroom Arrangement Altered Partial Purpose, demonstrate how to get reluctant  learners to engage in dialogue 15 Coaches, Teacher Leaders observing
Bridge Problem What moves does the teacher make to scaffold Alexis’ participation? What are your thoughts about this segment?
Teacher Talk Moves Call on a student whose hand is not raised-Alexis Asks her to focus on the specific subset of data under discussion Reads the data to her Offers turn-and-talk time  Tells the student she will be coming back to her
Teacher Talk Moves Has a second student give the answer  Paraphrases the student’s answer Asks Alexis to give the answer Acknowledges that she got it correct
Teacher Talk Moves High expectations Support to meet those expectations Culture of respect and encouragement Attitude: “I believe in you” Belief:  “You can do this” Commitment: “I’m here for you”
Questions
Reference What I’ve Learned About Effective Reading Instruction: From a Decade of Studying Exemplary Elementary Classroom Teachers Richard Allington Phi Delta Kappan, June, 2002

Lucy West- Accountable Talk

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    Robust Conversations atEvery Level July 4, 2007 Lucy West
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    Overview Making thecase for talk Talk tools Analyzing talk in video clips Questions
  • 3.
    Children grow intothe intellectual life around them. Vygotsky What is the quality of the intellectual life at your school? What’s your evidence?
  • 4.
    What do theadults at your school spend the majority of their time talking to each other about? What do students hear adults discussing? How often do students see teachers engaged in learning?
  • 5.
    Are the adultconversations and practices at your school designed to develop student academic proficiencies well beyond high scores on achievement tests?
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    Hypotheses If adultsare visibly, actively, and passionately learning together students will too. If adults are publicly willing to try on new skills, analyze their erroneous thinking aloud, experiment, tinker, and laugh at themselves when they mess up, students will too.
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    What is accountabletalk? What role does talk play in developing professional expertise? What is the nature of talk that results in dramatic improvement in student achievement?
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    Accountable to theLearning Community Accountable talk seriously responds to and further develops what others in the group have said.
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    Accountable to theLearning Community What is the nature of the talk at meetings of adults at your school? Are people questioning each other’s ideas,weighing suggestions, considering alternatives, providing evidence?
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    Accountable to theLearning Community What is the nature of the talk in your classrooms? Are students questioning each other’s ideas,weighing suggestions, considering alternatives, providing evidence?
  • 11.
    Accountable to KnowledgeAccountable talk puts forth and demands knowledge that is accurate and relevant to the issue under discussion. Accountable talk uses evidence appropriate to the discipline (e.g., proofs in mathematics, textual details in literature)
  • 12.
    Accountable to KnowledgeWhat knowledge is put forth and demanded of adults at your school in relation to instructional strategies and evidence of their impact? A plethora of instructional strategies is key
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    Accountable to KnowledgeWhat evidence can you site that worksheets develop understanding or skill? What evidence can you site that all students should be engaging in the same activities at the same time?
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    Accountable to ReasoningAccountable talk follows established norms of good reasoning
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    Accountable to ReasoningAre the teachers at your school focused on student reasoning or right answers?
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    Research Exemplaryteachers foster much more student talk--teacher/student and student/student Purposeful talk-problem-posing and problem-solving--teachers and students Richard Allington
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    Nature of TalkInterrogational--teachers pose problems, children respond, teacher verifies or corrects Conversational--discuss ideas, concepts, hypotheses, strategies and responses
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    Research In successfulhigh poverty schools the environment talk is more conversational than interrogational. Interactions invited conversations. Teachers worked to get kids to think aloud and modeled thinking aloud. Richard Allington
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    Research When classesare conversational the achievement gains are twice as large as when there is a focus on phonics. Richard Allington
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    Nature of TalkTeacher questions more “open” inviting multiple and varied correct responses Teacher curious about thinking and making thinking visible
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    One activity thatassists struggling readers is engaging in literate conversations. Richard Allington Could engaging in robust mathematics conversations assist struggling learners?
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    Talk Develops LanguageIf you want to develop language and the capacity to write, have students answer questions and write in full sentences. Douglas Reeves How often are students answering in one word or number in the math class?
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    Research Students atall levels benefited from exemplary teaching, but it was the lowest achievers who benefited most. Expertise matters
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    Dialogue Dialogue isthe central aspect of co-intelligence. We can only generate higher levels of intelligence among us if we are doing some high quality talking with one another. Tom Alec, The Tao Of Democracy
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    Dialogue Please turnto a partner and discuss the ideas I have presented so far Write down any questions you would like to ask
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    Professional Dialogue DiscussingPractice Nicole--2nd Year Teacher--5th Grade Jessica--3rd Year Teacher--Coach People in the Background--Coaches Cultivating a Learning Culture
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    Questioning Practice ChefLeo bought 1-1/2 pints of strawberries. Altogether he used 3/4 of the strawberries to make tarts. How many pints of strawberries does he have left ? Please solve the problem.
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    Questioning Practice ChefLeo bought 1-1/2 pints of strawberries. Altogether he used 3/4 of the strawberries to make tarts. How many pints of strawberries does he have left ? What about key words like “of” “left” “altogether”?
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    Questioning Practice Whatis your thinking about teaching “key words” in mathematics problems? Do you teach “key words” in other content areas? If so why? If not, why not? What might be the drawbacks of a “key words” approach? What additional strategies might you suggest?
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    Questions for PracticeI used 2/3 of a can of paint to cover 1/2 the floor of the porch. How much paint will be needed for the whole floor? Please solve this problem.
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    Questions for PracticeI used 2/3 of a can of paint to cover 1/2 of the floor of the porch. How much paint will be needed for the whole floor? Does “of” indicate multiplication in this problem? If so, what are you multiplying? If not, what did you do to solve the problem? What confusions, difficulties, might students display?
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    Questions for PracticeMany students in the first class wanted to multiply It was difficult to get them to think beyond key words Coach and teacher become aware of this unintended impact
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    Considering Alternatives Respondingto a question from the observing coaches and teachers Acknowledging mistakes Now what?
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    Class 2-Painting thePorch Replanned the lesson based on our learning Students were asked to read the problem to themselves and discuss with neighbor--asked questions of teacher Students worked alone and with partners--many had difficulty Summary meeting to share some ideas and student work
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    Talk Tools 22Verbal Events Classroom Discussion Moves Questioning the Author Moves Please read these three documents Choose the one that resonates for you Use it as a lens to view the discussion
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    Class 2--Painting thePorch First time working with this class-consultant/coach 20 observers Focus on developing meaning/use of language Not exemplar--just an example--problematic moments in teaching/learning View it through inquiry stance
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    Classroom Clip Useyour transcript Identify talk moves made by the teacher Look for evidence of development of language Look for evidence of reasoning Look for evidence of accountability to the community
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    Classroom Clip Atyour tables please do the following: Read an example from the transcript State what move you think it is Or state what evidence it represents regarding language development, reasoning, or community accountability Do this one at a time going around the table until each person has shared Then discuss or respond in any way you like
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    Classroom Clip-Border ProblemHow do teachers handle mistakes? How might errors become pathways to learning?
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    Classroom Clip 2The Border Problem Please solve the following problem. Consider what errors students might make?
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    Bordering a PoolHow many red tiles will it take to border a five-by-five pool with a width of one square unit?
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    Why Does ItTake 24 Tiles?
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    Classroom Clip 2Perimeter can be confused with border. The solution is: Perimeter + 4 (corner tiles) = Border What is the area of the pool with the border?
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    Classroom Clip 2What is the area of the pool with the border? Why might someone think the pool with the border would have an area of 36 square units? How did a 5 x 5 pool become 7 x 7 if you only added one square unit of border? In other words, why is the pool with the border not a 6 x 6?
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    Classroom Clip 2View the tape with an ear toward how mistakes are handled in this classroom Consider what results from examining a student’s error 8th Grade students Several entered class 2 years below grade level All graduated having met standard on the 8th grade state mathematics test
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    Classroom-Border Problem Usetranscript to find evidence of talk moves Focus on the teacher’s moves with Christen Focus on the comments of Tiffany and Lulu
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    Analyzing the TalkRight or wrong ask, “How did you get that?” What does this accomplish? It establishes the norm that we are interested in each other’s thinking It establishes a mathematical habit of mind to think about your thinking.
  • 53.
    Analyzing the TalkWhat does this accomplish? It develops the skills to meet one of mathematical performance standards—the ability to communicate your thinking. It allows us to informally assess what our students do and do not understand in order to guide instructional decisions.
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    Classroom Clip--Alexis Howmight we entice reluctant learners to participate in the conversation? Refer to data on handout Transcript of Bridge Problem
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    Paper Bridges Data8th Grade Class, Baltimore, MD.
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    Bridge Problem 7thGrade Class--not yet engaging in discourse 28 students present--100% African American Classroom Arrangement Altered Partial Purpose, demonstrate how to get reluctant learners to engage in dialogue 15 Coaches, Teacher Leaders observing
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    Bridge Problem Whatmoves does the teacher make to scaffold Alexis’ participation? What are your thoughts about this segment?
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    Teacher Talk MovesCall on a student whose hand is not raised-Alexis Asks her to focus on the specific subset of data under discussion Reads the data to her Offers turn-and-talk time Tells the student she will be coming back to her
  • 59.
    Teacher Talk MovesHas a second student give the answer Paraphrases the student’s answer Asks Alexis to give the answer Acknowledges that she got it correct
  • 60.
    Teacher Talk MovesHigh expectations Support to meet those expectations Culture of respect and encouragement Attitude: “I believe in you” Belief: “You can do this” Commitment: “I’m here for you”
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    Reference What I’veLearned About Effective Reading Instruction: From a Decade of Studying Exemplary Elementary Classroom Teachers Richard Allington Phi Delta Kappan, June, 2002