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Customer Success: 
Moving From Art to 
Science 
Paul Teshima 
Co-founder and CEO 
Nudge 
@pteshima 
neednudge.com 
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How Many of You: 
Are Billable? 
Have a Quota? 
Ever Received a Cape From a Customer? 
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“Looking back it always 
seems like a well thought out 
plan, but really it was just a 
bunch of smart people 
begging, borrowing and 
stealing resources to help 
customers be successful” 
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A Customer Success Maturity Model 
Learn to 
Scale 
Make it 
Work, Then 
Drive Value 
Get to 
Product 
Market Fit 
Grow the 
Base 
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0-20 Customers 
Get to Product Market Fit 
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A Customer Success Maturity Model 
Customers 
0-20 20-100 100 – 1,000 1,000+ 
Stage 
Get to Product 
Market Fit 
Make it Work, 
Then Drive Value 
Learn to Scale 
Grow the 
Base 
CSMs 0 1-3 <8 By Segment 
CSM Role N/A 
Product 
Engagement 
Value 
Adoption 
Best Practices 
Variable 
Comp 
N/A 
50% Corp 
25% Renewal 
25% NPS 
30% Corp 
30% Ren/NPS 
30% Upsells 
30% Corp 
30% Ren/NPS 
30% Upsells 
Systems CRM 
CRM 
CSP 
CRM 
CSP 
Marketing 
CRM 
CSP 
Marketing 
AMs N/A 0 By Quota By Quota 
AM Role N/A N/A X-Sell X-Sell 
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Professional Services 
Customer Success 
Customer Support 
User Experience 
Market Maturity 
Solution Complexity 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
Product Improvements 
Product Training/Support 
Customer Success Managers 
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How to Build the Business Case? 
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Experiment in Phase 2 
1, 1, 1 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
 Ensure you look at all 
factors to drive product 
engagement 
 Start building a business 
case with what you have 
 Every customer matters 
do whatever it takes 
X Hire a CSM, just yet  
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20-100 Customers 
Make it Work, 
Then Drive Value 
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“Culture eats 
Strategy for 
Breakfast” 
- Peter Drucker 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
A Customer Success Maturity Model 
Customers 
0-20 20-100 100 – 1,000 1,000+ 
Stage 
Get to Product 
Market Fit 
Make it Work, 
Then Drive Value 
Learn to Scale 
Grow the 
Base 
CSMs 0 1-3 <8 By Segment 
CSM Role N/A 
Product 
Engagement 
Value 
Adoption 
Best Practices 
Variable 
Comp 
N/A 
50% Corp 
25% Renewal 
25% NPS 
30% Corp 
30% Ren/NPS 
30% Upsells 
30% Corp 
30% Ren/NPS 
30% Upsells 
Systems CRM 
CRM 
CSP 
CRM 
CSP 
Marketing 
CRM 
CSP 
Marketing 
AMs N/A 0 By Quota By Quota 
AM Role N/A N/A X-Sell X-Sell 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
The Anatomy of a Great CSM 
Great at Storytelling Naturally Curious 
“Have” Domain 
Optimistic, But Cynical 
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CLUBSM 
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“Storytelling works because the 
best ones are memorable” 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
Why Do You Need a Customer Success 
Platform Now? 
SALES CUSTOMER 
SUCCESS 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
 Start customer success 
storytelling sessions to 
drive culture 
 Hire for motivation and 
teach the skills 
 Start implement key CS 
practices now, to impact 
future growth 
X Put account managers on 
accounts to upsell 
X Let your CSMs become 
Tier 1 support 
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100-1,000 Customers 
Learn to Scale 
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How Many of You Measure: 
Attrition by MRR? 
by Customer Count? 
By Net MRR? 
Average time for new customers to be fully 
on-boarded? 
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HOW WHAT 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
A Customer Success Maturity Model 
Customers 
0-20 20-100 100 – 1,000 1,000+ 
Stage 
Get to Product 
Market Fit 
Make it Work, 
Then Drive Value 
Learn to Scale 
Grow the 
Base 
CSMs 0 1-3 <8 By Segment 
CSM Role N/A 
Product 
Engagement 
Value 
Adoption 
Best Practices 
Variable 
Comp 
N/A 
50% Corp 
25% Renewal 
25% NPS 
30% Corp 
30% Ren/NPS 
30% Upsells 
30% Corp 
30% Ren/NPS 
30% Upsells 
Systems CRM 
CRM 
CSP 
CRM 
CSP 
Marketing 
CRM 
CSP 
Marketing 
AMs N/A 0 By Quota By Quota 
AM Role N/A N/A X-Sell X-Sell 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
I have a hard time 
saying “no” to 
anyone 
CUSTOMERS 
SALES 
PARTNERS 
MARKETING 
PRODUCT 
SERVICE 
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“Few races are won at the start, but many races are lost there” 
- livestrong.com 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
Hold Sales/Services/Partners Accountable 
Onboarding Watchlist 
< 30 Days 30 – 60 Days > 60 Days 
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Set an Actionable Plan Based on Your 
Product Value Lifecycle 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
Find Hunters That 
Should Be Farmers 
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Our “Ideal” Customer Lifecycle 
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Avoid the Sample of One 
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Grow Exec Support by Developing a 
Customer Success Cadence 
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 Map our your customer 
product value lifecycle 
 Put pressure on other 
groups to do their part 
 Develop a customer 
success cadence with 
your executive team 
X Stop CSMs from leaving 
the team to other roles 
X Hire AMs without domain 
and product knowledge 
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1,000+ Customers 
Grow the Base 
(faster, better, cheaper) 
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As You Grow You Need to Upsell 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima 
Source: Pacific Crest SaaS Benchmark Report
Cost to Renew/Upsell 5x Lower Than New 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima 
Source: Pacific Crest SaaS Benchmark Report
However New ASP is Still Too Low 
Source: Pacific Crest SaaS Benchmark Report 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
A Customer Success Maturity Model 
Customers 
0-20 20-100 100 – 1,000 1,000+ 
Stage 
Get to Product 
Market Fit 
Make it Work, 
Then Drive Value 
Learn to Scale 
Grow the 
Base 
CSMs 0 1-3 <8 By Segment 
CSM Role N/A 
Product 
Engagement 
Value 
Adoption 
Best Practices 
Variable 
Comp 
N/A 
50% Corp 
25% Renewal 
25% NPS 
30% Corp 
30% Ren/NPS 
30% Upsells 
30% Corp 
30% Ren/NPS 
30% Upsells 
Systems CRM 
CRM 
CSP 
CRM 
CSP 
Marketing 
CRM 
CSP 
Marketing 
AMs N/A 0 By Quota By Quota 
AM Role N/A N/A X-Sell X-Sell 
neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
Running the Machine 
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The Organization Was Complex 
Me 
(92) 
Consulting 
and 
Education 
(14) 
Professiona 
l Services 
(28) 
Account 
Mgmt 
(4) 
Product and 
Premier 
Support 
(34) 
Customer 
Success 
(12) 
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 Leverage upsells/x-sells 
as a growth lever 
 Document, train and sell 
the value of the 
“machine” 
X Underestimate the value 
of over communicating 
X Stop storytelling about 
customer success 
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#thebestmarketersintheworlduseEloqua 
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THANK YOU 
Paul Teshima 
Co-founder and CEO 
Nudge 
@pteshima 
neednudge.com 
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Customer Success Moving from Art to Science

  • 1. Customer Success: Moving From Art to Science Paul Teshima Co-founder and CEO Nudge @pteshima neednudge.com neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 2. How Many of You: Are Billable? Have a Quota? Ever Received a Cape From a Customer? neednudge.com 3 neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 4. “Looking back it always seems like a well thought out plan, but really it was just a bunch of smart people begging, borrowing and stealing resources to help customers be successful” neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 5. A Customer Success Maturity Model Learn to Scale Make it Work, Then Drive Value Get to Product Market Fit Grow the Base neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 6. 0-20 Customers Get to Product Market Fit neednudge.com 7 neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
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  • 8. A Customer Success Maturity Model Customers 0-20 20-100 100 – 1,000 1,000+ Stage Get to Product Market Fit Make it Work, Then Drive Value Learn to Scale Grow the Base CSMs 0 1-3 <8 By Segment CSM Role N/A Product Engagement Value Adoption Best Practices Variable Comp N/A 50% Corp 25% Renewal 25% NPS 30% Corp 30% Ren/NPS 30% Upsells 30% Corp 30% Ren/NPS 30% Upsells Systems CRM CRM CSP CRM CSP Marketing CRM CSP Marketing AMs N/A 0 By Quota By Quota AM Role N/A N/A X-Sell X-Sell neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 9. Professional Services Customer Success Customer Support User Experience Market Maturity Solution Complexity neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 10. Product Improvements Product Training/Support Customer Success Managers neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 11. How to Build the Business Case? neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 12. Experiment in Phase 2 1, 1, 1 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 13.  Ensure you look at all factors to drive product engagement  Start building a business case with what you have  Every customer matters do whatever it takes X Hire a CSM, just yet  neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 14. 20-100 Customers Make it Work, Then Drive Value neednudge.com 15 neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 15. “Culture eats Strategy for Breakfast” - Peter Drucker neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 16. A Customer Success Maturity Model Customers 0-20 20-100 100 – 1,000 1,000+ Stage Get to Product Market Fit Make it Work, Then Drive Value Learn to Scale Grow the Base CSMs 0 1-3 <8 By Segment CSM Role N/A Product Engagement Value Adoption Best Practices Variable Comp N/A 50% Corp 25% Renewal 25% NPS 30% Corp 30% Ren/NPS 30% Upsells 30% Corp 30% Ren/NPS 30% Upsells Systems CRM CRM CSP CRM CSP Marketing CRM CSP Marketing AMs N/A 0 By Quota By Quota AM Role N/A N/A X-Sell X-Sell neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 17. The Anatomy of a Great CSM Great at Storytelling Naturally Curious “Have” Domain Optimistic, But Cynical neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 18. CLUBSM neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 19. “Storytelling works because the best ones are memorable” neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 20. Why Do You Need a Customer Success Platform Now? SALES CUSTOMER SUCCESS neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 21.  Start customer success storytelling sessions to drive culture  Hire for motivation and teach the skills  Start implement key CS practices now, to impact future growth X Put account managers on accounts to upsell X Let your CSMs become Tier 1 support neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 22. 100-1,000 Customers Learn to Scale neednudge.com 23 neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 23. How Many of You Measure: Attrition by MRR? by Customer Count? By Net MRR? Average time for new customers to be fully on-boarded? neednudge.com 24 neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 24. HOW WHAT neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 25. A Customer Success Maturity Model Customers 0-20 20-100 100 – 1,000 1,000+ Stage Get to Product Market Fit Make it Work, Then Drive Value Learn to Scale Grow the Base CSMs 0 1-3 <8 By Segment CSM Role N/A Product Engagement Value Adoption Best Practices Variable Comp N/A 50% Corp 25% Renewal 25% NPS 30% Corp 30% Ren/NPS 30% Upsells 30% Corp 30% Ren/NPS 30% Upsells Systems CRM CRM CSP CRM CSP Marketing CRM CSP Marketing AMs N/A 0 By Quota By Quota AM Role N/A N/A X-Sell X-Sell neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 26. I have a hard time saying “no” to anyone CUSTOMERS SALES PARTNERS MARKETING PRODUCT SERVICE neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 27. “Few races are won at the start, but many races are lost there” - livestrong.com neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 28. Hold Sales/Services/Partners Accountable Onboarding Watchlist < 30 Days 30 – 60 Days > 60 Days neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 29. Set an Actionable Plan Based on Your Product Value Lifecycle neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 30. Find Hunters That Should Be Farmers neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 31. Our “Ideal” Customer Lifecycle neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 32. Avoid the Sample of One neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 33. Grow Exec Support by Developing a Customer Success Cadence neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 34.  Map our your customer product value lifecycle  Put pressure on other groups to do their part  Develop a customer success cadence with your executive team X Stop CSMs from leaving the team to other roles X Hire AMs without domain and product knowledge neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 35. 1,000+ Customers Grow the Base (faster, better, cheaper) neednudge.com 36 neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 36. neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 37. As You Grow You Need to Upsell neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima Source: Pacific Crest SaaS Benchmark Report
  • 38. Cost to Renew/Upsell 5x Lower Than New neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima Source: Pacific Crest SaaS Benchmark Report
  • 39. However New ASP is Still Too Low Source: Pacific Crest SaaS Benchmark Report neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 40. A Customer Success Maturity Model Customers 0-20 20-100 100 – 1,000 1,000+ Stage Get to Product Market Fit Make it Work, Then Drive Value Learn to Scale Grow the Base CSMs 0 1-3 <8 By Segment CSM Role N/A Product Engagement Value Adoption Best Practices Variable Comp N/A 50% Corp 25% Renewal 25% NPS 30% Corp 30% Ren/NPS 30% Upsells 30% Corp 30% Ren/NPS 30% Upsells Systems CRM CRM CSP CRM CSP Marketing CRM CSP Marketing AMs N/A 0 By Quota By Quota AM Role N/A N/A X-Sell X-Sell neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 41. Running the Machine neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 42. The Organization Was Complex Me (92) Consulting and Education (14) Professiona l Services (28) Account Mgmt (4) Product and Premier Support (34) Customer Success (12) neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 43.  Leverage upsells/x-sells as a growth lever  Document, train and sell the value of the “machine” X Underestimate the value of over communicating X Stop storytelling about customer success neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 44. #thebestmarketersintheworlduseEloqua neednudge.com 45 neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 45. neednudge.com All Rights Reserved Paul Teshima 2014 @pteshima
  • 46. THANK YOU Paul Teshima Co-founder and CEO Nudge @pteshima neednudge.com neednudge.com

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