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CCRMN newcomers meeting
Fonctionnement du service
 Check the web site : https://ccrmn.univ-lyon1.fr/
CCRMN general operation
 Please register yourself !
 Please register yourself ! https://ccrmn-request.univ-lyon1.fr/
CCRMN general operation
 Please register yourself !
CCRMN general operation
- We set your rights as « user » on GRR
spectrometers planning
- We set your rights to access your spectra
and send the procedure to connect our
network drive
- You are ready to send us analyses requests
via https://ccrmn-request.univ-lyon1.fr/
 Please register yourself !
CCRMN general operation
 Analyses upon request : ccrmn-request.univ-lyon1.fr
CCRMN general operation
- Special needs / parameters shoud be entered in the title
- Experiments/ solvants can be added/modified if needed
- PLEASE no space or special characters in the file names
 No broken tubes on the
sample changers
CCRMN general operation
 Please get your tubes back !
pay attention to the solvent height in your tube : minimum 3,7mm
CCRMN general operation
Solubilité Préparation
CCRMN general operation
 Special tubes : Maximum height 22 cm for 500 or AVL300 sample changers
CCRMN general operation
• Spectra processing : Tospin, Mnova, ACD
• DOSY processing : Mnova, Dynamic Center
• Spectra simulation : ACD, Mnova
• Automatic interprétation : Mnova, CMC assist, ACD
 Workstation available
CCRMN general operation
 Chemistry lab available
CCRMN general operation
• Raw data on university network drive
• At least 3 last months data available
• Archiving at least once a year
• Archives by year available on request since 2004
 Data archiving and retrieval
CCRMN general operation
CCRMN general operation
• On demand analyses
• Self-service analyzes after training
• New experiments set-up
• Collaborations
CCRMN general operation
• On demand analyses
• Self-service analyzes after training
• New experiments set-up / collaborations
CCRMN general operation
• On demand analyses :
Go to https://ccrmn-request.univ-lyon1.fr
Bring your tube properly prepared
Recover your spectrum on the network drive
Get your tube back
Available on all spectrometers
2 probes on the 500 MHz :
longer delays
- BBI : ok for 1H on very dilute
solutions, 2D, DOSY, 13C{19F}
- BBFO (being repaired) : OK for
non sensitive « X » nuclei : 13C,
29SI, 15N … 19F{1H]
spectro 300 400 500
sensibilité 13
C 110 190 290
Prix /heure 6,6 7,7 8,8
Prix/tube
13
C 5mg
105,6 35,2 8,8
Prix/tube
13
C 10mg
13,2 7,7 4,4
Prix/tube
13
C 100mg
1,7 1,9 2,2
• Give us some product !!!
• Tell us what you are looking for
• Beware of spectrometer choice
• Let us know compound mass in the tube,
or MW, or NS
• Ask for an appointment for analyzes on
sensitive products
• Tell us if you need quantitative analyses
(by default they are not !)
• On demand analyses :
CCRMN general operation
• On demand analyses
• Self-service analyzes after training
• New experiments set-up
• Collaborations
CCRMN general operation
1. Train with training with an experienced
user of your research group
2. Validation with CCRMN staff : ask for an
appointment ccrmn@univ-lyon1.fr
CCRMN general operation
Sample changer queue visible remotely, please contact
us to get a login/password
Self-service analyzes after training : AVL 300
Continuous sample changer - Accessible any time to authorized persons
> 10mn expts done after 7 pm
CCRMN general operation
On line planning, 2 *10mn slots / person
Please contact us for special needs (kinetics …)
Self-service analyzes after training : AV 300 - Manual operation
CCRMN general operation
• On demand analyses
• Self-service analyzes after training
• New experiments set-up / collaborations
1H {1H}
Proton double presat
INEPT 89Y et 29Si
Combined experiments (HSCQ-Tocsy, HMBC-Noesy …),
Quantitative 13C et 29Si
Variable temperature down to -100°C on the 500 MHz
 New experiments setup (all spectrometers)
CCRMN general operation
 Quality approach : volunteers wanted!
CCRMN general operation
Zoom about quantitative analysis
Conditions :
• Non saturated receiver
• Non troncated spectrum
• Correct Phase / intégration
• Long enough relaxation time
Zoom about quantitative analysis
 Non saturated receiver
Zoom about quantitative analysis
 Non troncated spectrum
Zoom about quantitative analysis
 Correct phase / intégration
Zoom about quantitative analysis
 Long enough relaxation time
90x
T1 Relaxation :
Back to thermal equilibrium
Recover population excess on z axis
t
90x
D1 D1
90x
*NS
T1 5*T1
Mz = M0(1- exp-t/T1)
Mz
M0
M0(1- 1/e) ≈ 0,37
M0(1- e-5) ≈ 0,99
z z
Thanks for your attention
ccrmn@univ-lyon1.fr

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2022_11_07_AG_2022.pptx

  • 2. Fonctionnement du service  Check the web site : https://ccrmn.univ-lyon1.fr/
  • 3. CCRMN general operation  Please register yourself !
  • 4.  Please register yourself ! https://ccrmn-request.univ-lyon1.fr/ CCRMN general operation
  • 5.  Please register yourself ! CCRMN general operation
  • 6. - We set your rights as « user » on GRR spectrometers planning - We set your rights to access your spectra and send the procedure to connect our network drive - You are ready to send us analyses requests via https://ccrmn-request.univ-lyon1.fr/  Please register yourself ! CCRMN general operation
  • 7.  Analyses upon request : ccrmn-request.univ-lyon1.fr CCRMN general operation - Special needs / parameters shoud be entered in the title - Experiments/ solvants can be added/modified if needed - PLEASE no space or special characters in the file names
  • 8.  No broken tubes on the sample changers CCRMN general operation  Please get your tubes back !
  • 9. pay attention to the solvent height in your tube : minimum 3,7mm CCRMN general operation
  • 11.  Special tubes : Maximum height 22 cm for 500 or AVL300 sample changers CCRMN general operation
  • 12. • Spectra processing : Tospin, Mnova, ACD • DOSY processing : Mnova, Dynamic Center • Spectra simulation : ACD, Mnova • Automatic interprétation : Mnova, CMC assist, ACD  Workstation available CCRMN general operation
  • 13.  Chemistry lab available CCRMN general operation
  • 14. • Raw data on university network drive • At least 3 last months data available • Archiving at least once a year • Archives by year available on request since 2004  Data archiving and retrieval CCRMN general operation
  • 15. CCRMN general operation • On demand analyses • Self-service analyzes after training • New experiments set-up • Collaborations
  • 16. CCRMN general operation • On demand analyses • Self-service analyzes after training • New experiments set-up / collaborations
  • 17. CCRMN general operation • On demand analyses : Go to https://ccrmn-request.univ-lyon1.fr Bring your tube properly prepared Recover your spectrum on the network drive Get your tube back Available on all spectrometers 2 probes on the 500 MHz : longer delays - BBI : ok for 1H on very dilute solutions, 2D, DOSY, 13C{19F} - BBFO (being repaired) : OK for non sensitive « X » nuclei : 13C, 29SI, 15N … 19F{1H]
  • 18. spectro 300 400 500 sensibilité 13 C 110 190 290 Prix /heure 6,6 7,7 8,8 Prix/tube 13 C 5mg 105,6 35,2 8,8 Prix/tube 13 C 10mg 13,2 7,7 4,4 Prix/tube 13 C 100mg 1,7 1,9 2,2 • Give us some product !!! • Tell us what you are looking for • Beware of spectrometer choice • Let us know compound mass in the tube, or MW, or NS • Ask for an appointment for analyzes on sensitive products • Tell us if you need quantitative analyses (by default they are not !) • On demand analyses : CCRMN general operation
  • 19. • On demand analyses • Self-service analyzes after training • New experiments set-up • Collaborations CCRMN general operation 1. Train with training with an experienced user of your research group 2. Validation with CCRMN staff : ask for an appointment ccrmn@univ-lyon1.fr
  • 20. CCRMN general operation Sample changer queue visible remotely, please contact us to get a login/password Self-service analyzes after training : AVL 300 Continuous sample changer - Accessible any time to authorized persons > 10mn expts done after 7 pm
  • 21. CCRMN general operation On line planning, 2 *10mn slots / person Please contact us for special needs (kinetics …) Self-service analyzes after training : AV 300 - Manual operation
  • 22. CCRMN general operation • On demand analyses • Self-service analyzes after training • New experiments set-up / collaborations
  • 23. 1H {1H} Proton double presat INEPT 89Y et 29Si Combined experiments (HSCQ-Tocsy, HMBC-Noesy …), Quantitative 13C et 29Si Variable temperature down to -100°C on the 500 MHz  New experiments setup (all spectrometers) CCRMN general operation
  • 24.  Quality approach : volunteers wanted! CCRMN general operation
  • 25. Zoom about quantitative analysis Conditions : • Non saturated receiver • Non troncated spectrum • Correct Phase / intégration • Long enough relaxation time
  • 26. Zoom about quantitative analysis  Non saturated receiver
  • 27. Zoom about quantitative analysis  Non troncated spectrum
  • 28. Zoom about quantitative analysis  Correct phase / intégration
  • 29. Zoom about quantitative analysis  Long enough relaxation time 90x T1 Relaxation : Back to thermal equilibrium Recover population excess on z axis t 90x D1 D1 90x *NS T1 5*T1 Mz = M0(1- exp-t/T1) Mz M0 M0(1- 1/e) ≈ 0,37 M0(1- e-5) ≈ 0,99 z z
  • 30. Thanks for your attention ccrmn@univ-lyon1.fr

Editor's Notes

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  5. Demande analyse multiple Mettre vos coordonnées sur fichier word Pas obligé de mettre le spectro Accès possible au giga
  6. Trop de solvant : produit trop dilué, courants de convection pas assez de solvant : shims pourris
  7. On n’analyse que ce qui est en solution Shims pourris, quand on a le temps on agite Notre politique est de la passer quand même
  8. Tubes à vs pas recommandés, parafilm ne sert à rien -tubes coaxiaux pour mettre une ref interne, analyser un produit sans solvant (insoluble ou noyau peu sensible ou regarder les propriétés en phase condensée)
  9. Modes d’emploi faits par des microproj CPE Simulation de spectres 13C : prendre Mnova plutôt que chem draw
  10. Modes d’emploi faits par des microproj CPE Simulation de spectres 13C : prendre Mnova plutôt que chem draw
  11. Données brutes = FID et spectres traités automatiquement Attention au phasage auto pas toujours bon surtout pour les noesy, HSQC
  12. Nous prévenir si les produits sont sensibles
  13. Nous prévenir si les produits sont sensibles
  14. Nous prévenir si les produits sont sensibles
  15. (Facteur 2 en sensibilité = facteur 4 en temps) Proton routine devraient être faits sur 300
  16. Nous prévenir si les produits sont sensibles
  17. On peut enlever les permis de conduire Heures d’ouverture du batiment pour les extérieus
  18. On peut enlever les permis de conduire
  19. Nous prévenir si les produits sont sensibles
  20. Avez-vous des demandes sur l’organisation ? QU’est ce qu’on pourrait améliorer Conseil de gestion demain libre-service