Explores palliative and end of life care. Outlines advance care planning and provides information about planning ahead to include using advance healthcare directives
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It was presented at the MS Trust Annual Conference in November 2014.
Community-based Palliative Care: Trends, Challenges, Examples and Collaborati...wwuextendeded
Community-based Palliative Care: Trends, Challenges, Examples and Collaboration with Payers - Eric Wall, MD, MPH
Presented at the 2015 Palliative Care Summer Institute conference at Bellingham Technical College
Advance care planning: "Let's get talking"MS Trust
This presentation by Dr Jo Poultney, Dr Sarah MacLaran, and Dr Julia Grant looks at advance care planning and how to support patients to express their preferences about care: what they do and don't want to happen and the people important to them.
It was presented at the MS Trust Annual Conference in November 2014.
Community-based Palliative Care: Trends, Challenges, Examples and Collaborati...wwuextendeded
Community-based Palliative Care: Trends, Challenges, Examples and Collaboration with Payers - Eric Wall, MD, MPH
Presented at the 2015 Palliative Care Summer Institute conference at Bellingham Technical College
Grief is a natural response to loss, and while grief is often associated with death, it can accompany other sorts of loss, too. When grief is experienced in the workplace, it can impact an employee’s performance, especially if awareness and proper support measures are lacking.
Outlines the Irish Hospice Foundations Nurses for Night Care Programme and how the service supports people dying at home with illnesses other than cancer
How to Plan for End-of-Life Issues in Alzheimers & DementiaLeslie Kernisan
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The first part is about healthcare and end-of-life planning in general; the second part includes advice about end-of-life in Alzheimer's.
This talk was designed for family caregivers, and was part of a webinar with Family Caregiver Alliance in Nov 2013.
From Dr. Kernisan's Geriatrics for Caregivers project.
Grief is a natural response to loss, and while grief is often associated with death, it can accompany other sorts of loss, too. When grief is experienced in the workplace, it can impact an employee’s performance, especially if awareness and proper support measures are lacking.
Outlines the Irish Hospice Foundations Nurses for Night Care Programme and how the service supports people dying at home with illnesses other than cancer
How to Plan for End-of-Life Issues in Alzheimers & DementiaLeslie Kernisan
Practical information on addressing end-of-life planning, in the context of dementia including Alzheimer's disease.
The first part is about healthcare and end-of-life planning in general; the second part includes advice about end-of-life in Alzheimer's.
This talk was designed for family caregivers, and was part of a webinar with Family Caregiver Alliance in Nov 2013.
From Dr. Kernisan's Geriatrics for Caregivers project.
End of life care - achieving quality in hostels and for homeless people - a route to success
08 December 2010 - National End of Life Care Programme
This publication aims to provide a practical guide to support hostel staff in ensuring that people nearing the end of their life receive high quality end of life care.
It includes:
Key considerations for delivery of end of life care
When to start thinking about end of life care
End of life care pathway
Step 1: Discussions as the end of life approaches
Step 2: Assessment, care planning and review
Step 3: Co-ordination of care
Step 4: Delivery of high quality care in different settings
Step 5: Care in the last days of life
Step 6: Care after death
Next steps
Useful resources
Publication by the National End of Life Programme which became part of NHS Improving Quality in May 2013
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Through Case Presentation and Dydactics, participants will gain an understanding of the psychological and behavioral impact cancer has on older adults.
How useful are advance directives in directing end of life care and do people really understand or want to know the true status of their health as the end nears?
Social care information packs
This is a series of short information sheets and matching slide sets about how social care staff can support people with learning disabilities to have better access to health services. They provide an introduction to each area and links to where further information and useful resources can be found.
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DQ 1 Response 1 As health care is advancing, there have been man.docxelinoraudley582231
DQ 1 Response 1
As health care is advancing, there have been many essential right concerning patients. The process of dying is very complex and it consequences are complicated. If one dies, the individual will not come back again. Therefore, individual with living will may promote care providers’ guideline to their destiny. It will prevent any litigation that may affect the care provider and the organization. Healthcare industry has now got involved or it is now involving spiritual treatment. Spiritual health care may have close relationship with end of life. The essential aspect to spiritual health care may include emotions, feelings, and assumptions of an individual. Therefore, it is very important to guide such essential concerning patient desire to have evidence. Sometimes patient do not want their family members to witness such desire because of the emotional consequences. Every patient knows the kind of pain their feeling and if this individual desire to end this suffering, others may not understand. Hence parent and family of a patient should not interfere in such situation. I can imagine a patient with a serious accident and is subjected to life support machine based on the patient’s unresponsive reaction. This patient has gone through treatment day and night for more than years. Such situation worsens the patient pain and suffering but who else can feel what the patient is feeling? Parent should decide on what they would do to their child regardless. In my opinion, the child will depend on the parent to survive living healthy. It would be very painful if the parent income -wise is poor. Which will lead the child to go through painful life. Therefore, parent knows their situation at hand and they need to make their own decision regardless.
Reference
Balk, E. D: Closing the gaps on efforts to improve healthcare quality at the end-of-life.
Russell, D: Dying in America: Improving Quality and Honoring Individual Preferences Near the End of Life by the Committee on Approaching Death: Addressing Key End of Life Issues. Washington, DC: National Academies Press, 2014. 638 pages.
Response 2
Assess the ethical issues surrounding end-of-life decisions. How has the living will affected medical response and why is this important for guiding end-of-life decisions? Should families be able to impact how and if a person's living will is carried out? Should parents have the right to choose to end the life of their child if the child has Down Syndrome?
Living wills are very important. They are legal documents that lay out decisions that the patient has made for their health care in the event that they are unable to make decisions anymore. Decisions that are made could include if the patient wants to be resuscitated or kept on life support. Furthermore, a living will can have the patients in regards to pain management or organ donation. (Mayo Clinic Staff, 2017) This is way if the patient’s family or friends do not agree it goes back to the patient’s .
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Stewardship is the act of taking good care of something.
Antimicrobial stewardship is a coordinated program that promotes the appropriate use of antimicrobials (including antibiotics), improves patient outcomes, reduces microbial resistance, and decreases the spread of infections caused by multidrug-resistant organisms.
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ACCORDING TO apic.org,
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ACCORDING TO pewtrusts.org,
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According to WHO,
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VISION
Being proactive
Supporting optimal animal and human health
Exploring ways to reduce overall use of antimicrobials
Using the drugs that prevent and treat disease by killing microscopic organisms in a responsible way
GOAL
to prevent the generation and spread of antimicrobial resistance (AMR). Doing so will preserve the effectiveness of these drugs in animals and humans for years to come.
being to preserve human and animal health and the effectiveness of antimicrobial medications.
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to minimize the developme
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Defecation
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DIARRHEA
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HEMORRHOIDS
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FLATULENCE
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FECAL INCONTINENCE
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2. Carmel
Ryan
A degenerative illness like MS raises
questions about your mortality, Carmel
admits, and she has thought about her
wishes for her funeral.
“I do think about it, but then I think
is there any help. I say to the kids
it’s going to happen to me one day
you know… it could be years and
years, but it could be weeks and
weeks, we just don’t know.”
“Death was around me since I was ten… it
happens, life can be a b**ch, but it
happens.”
“I know for definite I want to be
cremated…,” she said. “I don’t know where
I want to be laid… buried at sea, or in the
family plot, I don’t know.” Carmel Ryan
3. Professor Hardiman ‘At present,
many of these conditions cannot
be cured, but symptoms can be
treated and managed to minimise
their effect on the quality of life.
Living with these illnesses
poses a unique set of
challenges to the people
involved but also to health
professionals in understanding
and defining what supports and
services should be available.
As a result, there is an increasing
recognition of the need to adopt a
palliative care approach to the
needs of this group.’
4. Planning for the future with a
neurological disease
1. Background info
IHF, End of life care, Palliative Care &
advancing neurological disease
2. Planning for the future:
WHY, WHAT, WHEN, WHO, HOW
3. Specifics
Advance Healthcare Directives
5. Who we are
Our Vision:
No-one will face death or bereavement
without the care and support they need.
Our Mission:
To strive for the best care at end of life and in
bereavement, for all.
Our Values:
Change Care Together
6. Where and how people
die
30%
7% of all
deaths
caused by
neurological
disease UK
9. What is good end-of-life
care?
https://hospicefoundation.ie/healthcare-programmes/hospice-friendly-
hospitals/
Questions……
10. When I receive good end-of-life care…
I will be respected for who I am, and I will be at the
centre of all decisions about my care. I will have
confidence in the quality of the care provided to me.
I will be prepared for what lies ahead.
I will have choice, where possible, in my preferred
place of care and have the supports I need for a good
death.
I will have comfort and dignity in my care as death
approaches.
I will know that my family and those important to me
will be supported and cared for after my death.
14. What are the palliative and end of
life care needs of people with
neurological illness?
Questions……
15. Neurology Palliative Care Challenges:
• Long duration of neurological illnesses
• Recognition of end of life phase
• Potential sudden death (MND)
• Lack of predictable course of illness
• Complex multidisciplinary care
• Specialist treatments (PD, deep brain stimulation)
• Neuro-psychiatric problems
• Rapidly advancing disease means that some may need palliative care
early on
• Many die but not from the neurological condition
• Planning end of life care can be challenging
• Cognitive changes – need for planning early on in illness
• Communication
• Care environment
(National End of life Care Programme UK, 2010 & Skirton & Glendinning, 1997)
16.
17.
18.
19.
20. Planning for the future with a
neurological disease
1. Background info
IHF, End of life care, Palliative Care &
advancing neurological disease
2. Planning for the future:
WHY, WHAT, WHEN, WHO,
HOW
3. Specifics
Advance Healthcare Directives
23. Advance Care Planning –
What is it?
Voluntary discussions over time about future care
Process not task – may be more than one conversation
When we know things may change
When we know decision making
in the future may be difficult
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25. HOW
How do you
see things
going from here What are you
hoping for
How do you see
the future
Give the person time to express his/herself
Explore the different options for various scenarios that
might arise
Offer the opportunity to come back to the conversation
at a later time
Look for opportunities within conversations to find out
likes and dislikes
27. Planning for the future with a
neurological disease
1. Background info
IHF, End of life care, Palliative Care &
advancing neurological disease
2. Planning for the future:
WHY, WHAT, WHEN, WHO, HOW
3. Specifics
Advance Healthcare
Directives
28. Advance Healthcare Directives (AHD):
• A document where a person can write down what they
would not like to happen in relation to certain medical care
treatments
• Only comes into force when a person loses capacity,
becomes ill and the circumstances in their AHD arise.
Thursday, September 13, 2018 28
29. Advance Healthcare Directives:
Issues that may be covered in an Advance
Healthcare Directive
• Treatments that a person would refuse in the future – this is legally
binding – even if deemed unwise, not based on sound medical principles or will
result in death
• A request for a specific treatment. This is not legally binding but must be taken
into consideration during any decision-making process which relates to treatment for the
person in question if that specific treatment is relevant to the medical condition for which
the person may require treatment.
Request
Refuse
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34. Acknowledgements
Thank you and Questions
website: www.hospicefoundation.ie
email Deirdre Shanagher
Deirdre.shanagher@hospicefoundation.ie
Email Marie Lynch
Marie.lynch@hospicefoundation.ie
Neurological Alliance of Ireland
Neurological Alliance of Ireland member
organisations
Editor's Notes
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CHANGE:
- We drive change through education, innovation, advocacy, practice and mindset, research and communication.
-We make a difference in the availability of best care and how it is delivered to the dying and bereaved every minute of every day across all settings.
- We nurture a better understanding of how planning ahead for end of life enables us to live better now.
CARE:
- Through programmes like Nurses for Night Care, Hospice Care for Children, Design and Dignity and Think Ahead we are providing best care for the dying and bereaved nationwide.
- The need for the best end of life care is at the heart of everything we do so everyone can experience dignity, comfort and compassion at end of life.
TOGETHER
We cannot do our work alone. Dying is everyone’s business. We work for and with you for a better end-of life.
We co-ordinate and co-operate with individuals, communities, hospices, hospitals and organisations so the principles at the heart of hospice care touch you and your loved ones when needed. Together we make a real difference for people and their families at end of life.
Specifically talk to you about how you can support
night nursing service,
SPC developments,
advance care planning and
Bereavement
Irish palliative care services are underpinned by the 2001 report of the National Advisory Committee on Palliative care – recognising palliative care for people with conditions other than cancer
2008 Palliative Care for All – examined the PC needs of people with dementia , COPD, heart failure
2009 HIQA Standards for older persons – standards on end of life care and thematic inspections. Requirement for RCCS to have comprehensive policies and procedures on the provision of end-of-life care
2011 OPENING CONVERSATIONS – small scale study done by ASI aimed to develop a model of best practice for PC interventions for people with dementia. Need for more EBP
2012 BCFF feasibility project which looked to develop a vision and direction for dementia palliative care in Ireland.
2014 Report on the palliative Care needs of people with advancing neurological disease in Ireland IHF and NAI which aimed to explore the palliative care needs of people with advancing neurological conditions from the perspective of 7 NAI member organisations.
In order to explore this a little I want to show you a short clip that really captures what it means to deliver good end-of-life care – some of you may have already seen this clip, apologies. It’s really more appropriate for the acute setting, but we are currently adapting it for residential settings.
So, I really like how that clip bring good end-of-life care back to the person, because at the end of the day it’s the experience of the person who is dying that going to tell us whether we’ve supported a good death, and delivered good end-of-life care. The IHF have identified five key characteristics of good end-of-life care. I’d like to invite you to think about how these statements apply to your practice
Get some feedback from the group – open it up
Palliative care is an approach to care that improves the quality of life of patients (adults and children) and their families who are facing the problems associated with life-threatening illness, through the prevention and relief of suffering by means of early identification and correct assessment and treatment of pain, and other problems, whether physical, psychosocial or spiritual (WHO 2013).
2001 DOH acknowledged the provision of palliative care at the 3 levels here
1 by all healthcare staff
2 by staff with some additional training in the area of palliative care
3 By those whose core business is palliative care
So what does that mean for healthcare staff looking after a person with MS
Look at the lower chart – these are some of the issues that a person with MS will face throughout their illness
The black circle indicates the timing for level 1 palliative care – that’s the palliative approach
At each of the stages or as a person with MS encounters these issues it may indicate the need for levels 2 or 3 palliative care.
From2014 J.Weafer report
Broader than healthcare
Conversation – perhaps the most important part. Not an exam.