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Optimizing? DIA methods
In a Academic Core facility
UC Davis Core
Facility
• Part of the UC Davis Genome
Center
• Core Facilities
• Genomics, Metabolomics,
Proteomics
• UC Davis pretty unique, lot’s of Ag
and Medical research.
• We run lot’s of different types of
samples
What our
collaborators
want
Mostly quantitative
Profiling and PTM’s (Protein
ID is mostly dead or dying)
Quick Turn around time
(quick? lol)
Before ScaffoldDIA
• Profiling was done by DDA
• Spectral counting
• LFQ
• TMT (10 or 11 plex)
Example from a Paper we published in
Plant Cell Last week! using Spectral
Counts and MS1 LFQ!
Peak picking can be an issue with MS1 LFQ
Typical? MS Spectra
Nice S/N
Lots of DDA looks like this
Random peptide KSDGIYIINLK DDA
Missing Values Comparison Peptide level
• DDA (maxquant 1% FDR protein and peptide)
• Fusion Lumos
• In my hands Even with MBR on, it’s difficult to get
consistent peak picking across multiple samples
Replicate Missing Values
1 16.3%
2 15.15%
3 23.47%
Missing in all 3 = 5.53%
ScaffoldDIA
• Peptide centric DIA issues for me
• For a long time I did not understand it
• Software difficult to use
• Protein inference was non existant
• Seems to be 1 million plus ways to
• Acquire the data
• Window Size?
• Staggered or overlapping?
• Libraries
• Chromatogram DIA, DDA,
public libraries, no libraries
• Analyze the data
• Using Libraries or FASTA
sequences make a big difference
• How you make your
chromatogram library can make
a big difference!
Peptide Centric DIA
Ting 2015 Searle 2018
Random peptide KSDGIYIINLK ScaffoldDIA
DIA Random peptide KSDGIYIINLK
ScaffoldDIA random peptide (KSDGIYIINLK)
DDA vs DIA scatter plots Same samples
DIA DDA
DIA vs TMT in a core facility
DIA
• No labeling
• Faster!
• Smaller amount of “total”
protein required
• Can be more expensive
• Missing values are higher
• Data analysis can be way easier
for > 10 samples
TMT
• Labeling!
• Requires more protein
• Can be a lot cheaper!
• How could this be right?
• Missing Values are crazy low!
• Data analysis for spanning
multiple TMTplexes is
complicated
Recommended
Methods From
Brian
2x GPF method
• Issues we found using
traditional method with makes
chromatogram libraries (narrow
window) and Sample
acquisition (Wide Window)
• Lots of Runs if you only
have 2-3 samples!
• Hard to run DIA Pilot
Projects
Fusion Lumos
Methods
Wide 2x GFP
Window Size 8 Da 4Da
Mass Range 400-1000 360-758,760-1150
# windows 151 100 x2
Staggered Y N
Collission energy 30 30
Max Inject time 20 ms 54
Resolution MS2 15K 30K
AGC target 400,000 50,000
Chromatogram Library
Window Size 4 Da
Mass Range 100 Da x 6 (400-1000)
# windows 25
Staggered No
Collission energy 30
Max Inject time 60 ms
Resolution MS2 30K
AGC target 400,000
# of runs needed by sample #
Scans Across the peak (determined manually!)
Scans per peak
4 Da 8 Da
2xgfp
Wide
window
24.07 20.08
24.2 20.19
24.33 20.3
24.46 20.4
24.59 20.51
24.72 20.62
24.85 20.72
24.98 20.83
25.11 20.94
25.24 21.05
25.37 21.16
25.5 21.26
25.63 21.37
25.77 21.48
25.9 21.58
26.03 21.69
21.8
21.91
22.02
sum 16 19
scans per minute Non deconvoluted 8 9.5
scans per minute deconvoluted 19
Scans per peak Random peptide AALEEVER
Wide Window 8 Da staggered (6 total??) 4 Da 2x gpf (7 total??)
Random peptide KSDGIYIINLK 2x GFP
ScaffoldDIA random peptide (KSDGIYIINLK)
2x GFP
Random peptide KSDGIYIINLK 8 Da Wide window
ScaffoldDIA random peptide (KSDGIYIINLK)
8 Da wide window
ScaffoldDIA Experimental Design
2x GFP vs Narrow Chromatogram/ Wide
experimental
Pros
• Seems to work!
• Good for 2-5 samples
• Quantitation seems decent
• Scans across the peaks seem
decent
Cons
• Requires more runs / sample
• Scaffold (percolator) Crashes! with
> 10 or so DIA runs
Example Experiment
• Human profiling experiment
• Several proteins knocked down in a few conditions
• 5 Conditions
• 3 biological replicates per condition
Methods
Wide 2x GFP
Window Size 8 Da 4Da
Mass Range 400-1000 360-758,760-1150
# windows 151 100 x2
Staggered Y N
Collission energy 30 30
Max Inject time 20 ms 54
Resolution MS2 15K 30K
AGC target 400,000 50,000
Chromatogram Library
Window Size 4 Da
Mass Range 100 Da x 6 (400-1000)
# windows 25
Staggered No
Collission energy 30
Max Inject time 60 ms
Resolution MS2 30K
AGC target 400,000
Experiment seemed to work!
Protein expected to be knocked down
Yea!
Protein 2 Knockdown
Experiment Seemed
to work! Yea!
Original Search (Wide Window Method)
Chromatogram Library made with FASTA Only
Search 2 (Wide Window Method)
Chromatogram Library made with Pan Human dlib (DDA spectral) Library
Search 3 (Wide Window Method)
Pan Human DDA spectral Library Only, Did not use Narrow window Chromatogram Library
Feedback from collaborator on ScaffoldDIA data
Permutations Tested on a 3 sample subset (1 condition 3 bioreps)
Comparison of DIA methods (3 Bioreps)
Proteome
Tools spectral
Library
Measuring
the Proteome
Depth
Comparing
Pan human vs
Proteome Tools
Libraries
Comparison of DIA vs DDA method
Sorted by Peptides Quantified
Comparison of DIA vs DDA method
Sorted by Proteins Quantified
Proteins quantified vs MS run time 3 samples
2x GPF Public Pan human library
• No chromatogram libraries
missing Values peptides
Replicate Missing Values
1 8.94%
2 9.80%
3 10.49%
Maxquant LFQ
Replicate Missing Values
1 16.3%
2 15.15%
3 23.47%
Scaffold DIA 2xGFP
Example serum data
(Rat Non Depleted)
• You Don’t have to ID a lot of proteins to
have really useful data!
• First I thought this data sucked
• Collaborator was ecstatic and loved it!
Another low protein ID example (infected grape Sap)
Wish list for ScaffoldDIA
• Calculate Scans across the peak for every peak (maybe like skyline does) + average
across entire experiment
• Peptide level exports with raw data (summed intensities) before normalization and
imputation
• Less confusing way to make chromatogram libraries when they are not staggered
and your experimental runs are
• GUI needs to be faster
• Fix percolator crashing when searching large number of files searched against
FASTA
Conclusions
ScaffoldDIA seems to work better than DDA especially for human
I think the 2x GFP method works okay
2x GFP Seems to even work older instruments
Using Public Libraries to make your chromatogram libraries works
way better than using a FASTA : Thus works better for human
DIA Run times can be shorter (increasing efficiency ) Than DDA
DIA Works pretty okay for undepleted Serum
Acknowledgements
• UC Davis Proteomics Core
• Michelle Salemi
• Tony Herren
• Justin Hocke
• Danielle Asiain

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Phinney 2019 ASMS Proteome software Users group Talk

  • 1. Optimizing? DIA methods In a Academic Core facility
  • 2. UC Davis Core Facility • Part of the UC Davis Genome Center • Core Facilities • Genomics, Metabolomics, Proteomics • UC Davis pretty unique, lot’s of Ag and Medical research. • We run lot’s of different types of samples
  • 3. What our collaborators want Mostly quantitative Profiling and PTM’s (Protein ID is mostly dead or dying) Quick Turn around time (quick? lol)
  • 4. Before ScaffoldDIA • Profiling was done by DDA • Spectral counting • LFQ • TMT (10 or 11 plex) Example from a Paper we published in Plant Cell Last week! using Spectral Counts and MS1 LFQ!
  • 5. Peak picking can be an issue with MS1 LFQ
  • 8. Lots of DDA looks like this
  • 10. Missing Values Comparison Peptide level • DDA (maxquant 1% FDR protein and peptide) • Fusion Lumos • In my hands Even with MBR on, it’s difficult to get consistent peak picking across multiple samples Replicate Missing Values 1 16.3% 2 15.15% 3 23.47% Missing in all 3 = 5.53%
  • 11. ScaffoldDIA • Peptide centric DIA issues for me • For a long time I did not understand it • Software difficult to use • Protein inference was non existant • Seems to be 1 million plus ways to • Acquire the data • Window Size? • Staggered or overlapping? • Libraries • Chromatogram DIA, DDA, public libraries, no libraries • Analyze the data • Using Libraries or FASTA sequences make a big difference • How you make your chromatogram library can make a big difference!
  • 12. Peptide Centric DIA Ting 2015 Searle 2018
  • 14. DIA Random peptide KSDGIYIINLK
  • 15. ScaffoldDIA random peptide (KSDGIYIINLK)
  • 16. DDA vs DIA scatter plots Same samples DIA DDA
  • 17. DIA vs TMT in a core facility DIA • No labeling • Faster! • Smaller amount of “total” protein required • Can be more expensive • Missing values are higher • Data analysis can be way easier for > 10 samples TMT • Labeling! • Requires more protein • Can be a lot cheaper! • How could this be right? • Missing Values are crazy low! • Data analysis for spanning multiple TMTplexes is complicated
  • 19. 2x GPF method • Issues we found using traditional method with makes chromatogram libraries (narrow window) and Sample acquisition (Wide Window) • Lots of Runs if you only have 2-3 samples! • Hard to run DIA Pilot Projects Fusion Lumos
  • 20. Methods Wide 2x GFP Window Size 8 Da 4Da Mass Range 400-1000 360-758,760-1150 # windows 151 100 x2 Staggered Y N Collission energy 30 30 Max Inject time 20 ms 54 Resolution MS2 15K 30K AGC target 400,000 50,000
  • 21. Chromatogram Library Window Size 4 Da Mass Range 100 Da x 6 (400-1000) # windows 25 Staggered No Collission energy 30 Max Inject time 60 ms Resolution MS2 30K AGC target 400,000
  • 22. # of runs needed by sample #
  • 23. Scans Across the peak (determined manually!) Scans per peak 4 Da 8 Da 2xgfp Wide window 24.07 20.08 24.2 20.19 24.33 20.3 24.46 20.4 24.59 20.51 24.72 20.62 24.85 20.72 24.98 20.83 25.11 20.94 25.24 21.05 25.37 21.16 25.5 21.26 25.63 21.37 25.77 21.48 25.9 21.58 26.03 21.69 21.8 21.91 22.02 sum 16 19 scans per minute Non deconvoluted 8 9.5 scans per minute deconvoluted 19
  • 24. Scans per peak Random peptide AALEEVER Wide Window 8 Da staggered (6 total??) 4 Da 2x gpf (7 total??)
  • 26. ScaffoldDIA random peptide (KSDGIYIINLK) 2x GFP
  • 27. Random peptide KSDGIYIINLK 8 Da Wide window
  • 28. ScaffoldDIA random peptide (KSDGIYIINLK) 8 Da wide window
  • 30. 2x GFP vs Narrow Chromatogram/ Wide experimental Pros • Seems to work! • Good for 2-5 samples • Quantitation seems decent • Scans across the peaks seem decent Cons • Requires more runs / sample • Scaffold (percolator) Crashes! with > 10 or so DIA runs
  • 31. Example Experiment • Human profiling experiment • Several proteins knocked down in a few conditions • 5 Conditions • 3 biological replicates per condition
  • 32. Methods Wide 2x GFP Window Size 8 Da 4Da Mass Range 400-1000 360-758,760-1150 # windows 151 100 x2 Staggered Y N Collission energy 30 30 Max Inject time 20 ms 54 Resolution MS2 15K 30K AGC target 400,000 50,000
  • 33. Chromatogram Library Window Size 4 Da Mass Range 100 Da x 6 (400-1000) # windows 25 Staggered No Collission energy 30 Max Inject time 60 ms Resolution MS2 30K AGC target 400,000
  • 35. Protein expected to be knocked down Yea!
  • 36. Protein 2 Knockdown Experiment Seemed to work! Yea!
  • 37. Original Search (Wide Window Method) Chromatogram Library made with FASTA Only
  • 38. Search 2 (Wide Window Method) Chromatogram Library made with Pan Human dlib (DDA spectral) Library
  • 39. Search 3 (Wide Window Method) Pan Human DDA spectral Library Only, Did not use Narrow window Chromatogram Library
  • 40. Feedback from collaborator on ScaffoldDIA data
  • 41. Permutations Tested on a 3 sample subset (1 condition 3 bioreps)
  • 42. Comparison of DIA methods (3 Bioreps)
  • 45. Comparison of DIA vs DDA method Sorted by Peptides Quantified
  • 46. Comparison of DIA vs DDA method Sorted by Proteins Quantified
  • 47. Proteins quantified vs MS run time 3 samples 2x GPF Public Pan human library • No chromatogram libraries
  • 48. missing Values peptides Replicate Missing Values 1 8.94% 2 9.80% 3 10.49% Maxquant LFQ Replicate Missing Values 1 16.3% 2 15.15% 3 23.47% Scaffold DIA 2xGFP
  • 49. Example serum data (Rat Non Depleted) • You Don’t have to ID a lot of proteins to have really useful data! • First I thought this data sucked • Collaborator was ecstatic and loved it!
  • 50. Another low protein ID example (infected grape Sap)
  • 51. Wish list for ScaffoldDIA • Calculate Scans across the peak for every peak (maybe like skyline does) + average across entire experiment • Peptide level exports with raw data (summed intensities) before normalization and imputation • Less confusing way to make chromatogram libraries when they are not staggered and your experimental runs are • GUI needs to be faster • Fix percolator crashing when searching large number of files searched against FASTA
  • 52. Conclusions ScaffoldDIA seems to work better than DDA especially for human I think the 2x GFP method works okay 2x GFP Seems to even work older instruments Using Public Libraries to make your chromatogram libraries works way better than using a FASTA : Thus works better for human DIA Run times can be shorter (increasing efficiency ) Than DDA DIA Works pretty okay for undepleted Serum
  • 53. Acknowledgements • UC Davis Proteomics Core • Michelle Salemi • Tony Herren • Justin Hocke • Danielle Asiain