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2020 MAS Results Review
Research & Analytics, Center for Livable Communities, ARC
jskinner@atlantaregional.org
Genesis, Goals, Achievements
• 2013 LINK Trip to Houston Led to
Effort to Build on Kinder Institute
Model (Rice University)
• Goals for MAS: Assess Perceptions,
Define Priorities, Gauge Opinions
• Stable core of questions with relevant
timely topics
• Demographic Crosstabs Critical
• Now in Eighth Year (2013 incept)
Genesis, Goals, Achievements
• Method 2013-2019: Random digit dial
(RDD) sample survey of residents in
the Atlanta Region
– 5,200 surveyed in 2019
• New 2020 Method: Mixed-Mode
– RDD of 2,500 respondents
– Online panel of 1,900
– Overriding Focus = Pandemic
Metro Atlanta Speaks-The Skinny
• 2013: 1 Area (10 co Region) Only, 2.1K surveyed, 21 Q
• 2014: 11 Areas (10 co+ Reg), 4.2K surveyed, 25 Q
• 2015: 14 Areas (13 co+ Reg), 5.2K surveyed, 26 Q
• 2016: 15 Areas (13 co+ Reg+ COA), 5.41K surveyed, 27 Q
• 2017: 15 Areas (13 co+ Reg+ COA), 5.46K surveyed, 27 Q
• 2018: 15 Areas (13 co+ Reg+ COA), 5.45K surveyed, 27 Q
• 2019: 15 Areas (13 co+ Reg+ COA), 5.45K surveyed, 27 Q
• 2017 to 2019: +-1.3@ MOE Region; 4-7% @ Subregion
• 2020: 11 Areas (10 co+ Reg), 4.4K surveyed, 18 Q
– +-1.5@ MOE Region; 3.5-5% @ Subregion
• Different questions in different topics each year
Survey Sponsor
2020
Milestones:
2020 Survey
• Consultant Formally Engaged June
• Questions Finalized in early July
• Survey Conducted late July to late
August
• Results Delivered during September
• Ongoing: Roundtables & Sponsor
Webinars
• In Development/ Embargoed: County
Press Releases, Updated Website
2020 Highlights
• COVID-19 Impacted Our World, Greatly
– A Major Impact on 2 of 3 of Us
• It Changed How We Assessed Our Biggest Problem/ Challenges
– Public Health to 1st
– Crime at second, though down (in share) from last year
– The Economy, up from 7% in 2019 to 15% this year
– Race Relations to 4th, up from 4% last year to 12%
– Transportation falls to 5th place (from the top)
• It Changed Our Employment/ Economic Stability and Health Situation(s)
– Almost all pre-pandemic workers had COVID-19 disintegrate, or greatly alter, their work life
– More stress on dealing with the basics and with financial emergencies
– Concern with Health (obviously) increased, and Delay in Health Care pervasive
• It Laid Bare Inequities in our Society
– We DO perceive discrimination...some more than others
– EVERYONE needs education about the extent of the gaps
– We perceive, to some degree, a need for nuanced management of societal ills
• …But We Still Have Hope for the Future
– A slight increase in those seeing things as getting better in the next 3-4 years
COVID-19
Extent of COVID Impact: 2020
66.8%
24.0%
7.3%
1.9%
Major impact
Minor impact
No impact at
all
DK
Extent of COVID Impact by County: 2020
4.5% 5.8%
6.4% 8.9% 9.5%
10.3% 7.8% 8.2% 9.2% 8.8% 6.0%
21.6% 21.1%
20.6%
18.6% 19.3%
23.8% 26.1% 26.9% 27.4% 30.1% 34.2%
72.2% 71.9% 69.9% 69.7% 69.2%
65.5% 64.4% 63.3% 62.7%
60.4%
57.4%
0.0%
10.0%
20.0%
30.0%
40.0%
50.0%
60.0%
70.0%
80.0%
90.0%
100.0%
Henry DeKalb Fulton City of
Atlanta
Clayton Fayette Gwinnett Douglas Cobb Rockdale Cherokee
Major impact
Minor impact
No impact at
all
DK
Know Anyone That Has/ Had COVID-19?: 2020
58.4%
39.9%
1.8%
Yes
No
DK
Know Anyone That Has/ Had COVID-19? By Race/ Eth: 2020
55.9%
60.4%
60.5%
66.7%
43.3%
37.9%
37.1%
32.5%
0.8%
1.7%
2.4%
0.8%
WHITE
BLACK
OTHER
LATINO*
Yes No DK
* Latinx may be of any race
The Biggest Problem?: The Change from 2019 to 2020
12%
5%
5%
17%
5%
15%
8%
8%
16%
10%
4%
4%
8%
7%
5%
7%
9%
10%
18%
28%
0% 5% 10% 15% 20% 25% 30%
Race Relations
DK
Taxes
Public Health
Other
Economy
Human Services
Public
Education
Crime
Transportation
2019
2020
The Biggest Problem?: Other Angles
Shares 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020
Race Relations 2.2% 3.0% 4.9% 6.2% 4.6% 4.9% 4.0% 11.8%
DK 3.7% 4.0% 3.7% 2.2% 4.9% 3.3% 4.0% 5.2%
Taxes 5.6% 6.0% 4.9% 4.2% 4.9% 5.8% 8.0% 4.9%
Public Health 4.3% 4.0% 4.5% 4.6% 5.4% 5.4% 7.0% 16.7%
Other 5.9% 4.0% 1.7% 2.6% 6.2% 7.9% 5.0% 5.1%
Economy 24.4% 20.0% 15.1% 12.3% 9.2% 6.0% 7.0% 14.8%
Human Services 2.5% 7.0% 7.3% 8.5% 9.3% 7.2% 9.0% 7.5%
Public Education 12.7% 14.0% 14.0% 12.0% 11.5% 9.4% 10.0% 7.5%
Crime 17.4% 14.0% 17.2% 22.8% 16.9% 21.9% 18.0% 16.3%
Transportation 21.4% 24.0% 26.7% 24.5% 27.2% 28.2% 28.2% 10.4%
Rank 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020
Race Relations 10 10 6 6 10 9 9 4
DK 8 7 9 10 8 10 9 8
Taxes 6 6 6 8 8 7 5 10
Public Health 7 7 8 7 7 8 6 1
Other 5 7 10 9 6 4 8 9
Economy 1 2 3 3 5 6 6 3
Human Services 9 5 5 5 4 5 4 6
Public Education 4 3 4 4 3 3 3 6
Crime 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 2
Transportation 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 5
Pct Point Change 2013-2014 2014-2015 2015-2016 2016-2017 2017-2018 2018-2019 2019-2020
Race Relations 0.8 1.9 1.3 -1.6 0.3 -0.9 7.8 Increases
DK 0.3 -0.3 -1.5 2.7 -1.6 0.7 1.2 Declines
Taxes 0.4 -1.1 -0.7 0.7 0.9 2.2 -3.1
Public Health -0.3 0.5 0.1 0.8 0.0 1.6 9.7
Other -1.9 -2.3 0.9 3.6 1.7 -2.9 0.1
Economy -4.4 -4.9 -2.8 -3.1 -3.2 1.0 7.8
Human Services 4.5 0.3 1.2 0.8 -2.1 1.8 -1.5
Public Education 1.3 0.0 -2.0 -0.5 -2.1 0.6 -2.5
Crime -3.4 3.2 5.6 -5.9 5.0 -3.9 -1.7
Transportation 2.6 2.7 -2.2 2.7 1.0 0.0 -17.8
The Biggest Problem?: 2020 by County
11.8%
13.7%
14.5%
15.5%
16.5%
16.7%
17.0%
17.7%
18.2%
18.3%
19.0%
19.8%
17.3%
15.2%
19.7%
19.6%
13.0%
16.3%
15.1%
16.9%
17.5%
15.0%
15.5%
19.5%
11.8%
17.5%
20.4%
12.5%
15.1%
14.8%
14.8%
15.2%
14.7%
14.8%
15.0%
12.8%
19.3%
14.2%
13.2%
10.9%
9.8%
11.8%
8.6%
10.7%
12.7%
12.3%
13.0%
17.0%
10.0%
8.2%
7.0%
11.5%
10.0%
10.4%
9.2%
12.2%
10.5%
10.8%
9.8%
4.8%
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Henry
Douglas
Clayton
DeKalb
Fulton
ARC 10
City of Atlanta
Cobb
Cherokee
Gwinnett
Fayette
Rockdale
Public Health Crime Economy Race Relations Transportation Public Education Human Services DK Other Taxes
14.2%
10.3% 10.1%
5.5%
16.2%
19.4%
11.7%
21.6%
7.9%
5.9%
10.4%
11.8%
14.8%
16.3%
16.7%
7.5% 7.5%
4.9% 5.1% 5.2%
0.0%
5.0%
10.0%
15.0%
20.0%
25.0%
Transportation Race Relations Economy Crime Public Health Public
Education
Human Services Taxes Other DK
18-34 35-49 50-64 65+ Overall
The Biggest Problem?: 2020 by Age Group
The Biggest Problem?: 2020 by Race/ Ethnicity
16.7%
13.0%
16.8%
13.5%
15.7%
9.8%
5.4%
7.2%
19.6%
12.5%
5.7%
10.4%
11.8%
14.8%
16.3%
16.7%
7.… 7.5%
4.9% 5.1% 5.2%
0.0%
5.0%
10.0%
15.0%
20.0%
25.0%
Transportation Race Relations Economy Crime Public Health Public
Education
Human Services Taxes Other DK
Black White Other Latino* Overall
Question: For Pre-Pandemic Workers…
Please tell us if you were affected by the COVID-19 pandemic in any of the
following ways….
(Interviewer: Read each item separately and check if R says “yes”)
1. Laid off, terminated or furloughed from your job
2. Remained employed but with reduced hours
3. Remained employed, but forced to take a cut in wages/hourly pay
4. Allowed to work from home/telecommute
5. Quit job / resigned for personal safety
6. None of the above
Share of Pre-Pandemic Workers with
One or More “Changes in Status”…By Area: 2020
64.0%
74.3%
77.4%
81.2%
82.1%
82.4%
82.7%
82.8%
84.2%
85.6%
85.8%
86.0%
0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0%
Douglas
Cherokee
Henry
Rockdale
Fayette
ARC 10
Gwinnett
Cobb
Fulton
DeKalb
Clayton
City of Atlanta
Pre-Pandemic Employed Experiencing Layoffs…
By Area: 2020
12.7%
19.5%
22.5%
23.0%
23.8%
24.4%
24.6%
25.3%
26.7%
28.2%
28.7%
29.2%
0.0% 5.0% 10.0% 15.0% 20.0% 25.0% 30.0% 35.0%
Cobb
Douglas
Cherokee
Henry
ARC 10
Fayette
Gwinnett
Rockdale
Fulton
City of Atlanta
DeKalb
Clayton
* % of 2,900 respondents employed as of the beginning of the pandemic
Pre-Pandemic Employed Allowed to Work from Home…
By Area: 2020
18.8%
24.3%
26.4%
26.8%
29.5%
31.6%
33.1%
34.0%
34.1%
37.7%
39.2%
43.1%
0.0% 5.0% 10.0% 15.0% 20.0% 25.0% 30.0% 35.0% 40.0% 45.0% 50.0%
Clayton
Douglas
Henry
Gwinnett
Rockdale
DeKalb
ARC 10
Fayette
Cherokee
City of Atlanta
Fulton
Cobb
* % of 2,900 respondents employed as of the beginning of the pandemic
Pre-Pandemic Employed “Changes in Pandemic” by Race: 2020
29.0%
28.3%
15.3%
29.1%
6.6%
12.8%
19.1%
22.5%
11.4%
38.0%
5.0%
20.6%
26.2%
31.0%
15.9%
17.5%
12.7%
17.5%
0.0% 5.0% 10.0% 15.0% 20.0% 25.0% 30.0% 35.0% 40.0%
Laid off, terminated or furloughed
Remained Employed -Reduced
hours
Remained Employed -
Cut in wages/
hourly pay
Worked from home
Quit job for safety reasons
None of
the above
Latino*
Other
White
Black
Confidence in Ability to Pay Next Mortgage or Rent Payment…By Area: 2020
20.9%
23.8%
23.9%
29.8%
30.8%
31.7%
33.3%
33.3%
34.9%
38.8%
42.3%
44.1%
58.7%
65.9%
62.6%
57.6%
60.2%
54.4%
58.5%
56.9%
50.8%
47.8%
46.2%
46.1%
20.4%
10.3%
13.5%
12.5%
9.0%
13.9%
8.3%
9.8%
14.3%
13.4%
11.5%
9.7%
0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0%
Cobb
Fayette
Cherokee
Gwinnett
Douglas
ARC 10
Rockdale
Henry
Fulton
DeKalb
City of Atlanta
Clayton
Less than Very Confident Very confident Other*
Confidence in Ability to Pay Mortgage or Rent…By Race/ Ethnicity: 2020
41.6%
21.3%
44.5%
42.3%
48.4%
60.9%
47.7%
48.9%
10.0%
17.8%
7.8%
8.8%
0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0%
Black
White
Other
Latino*
Less than Very Confident Very confident Other*
Confidence in Ability to Pay Mortgage or Rent…By Age Group: 2020
40.3%
36.9%
25.0%
15.4%
48.6% 52.5%
63.3%
56.3%
11.1% 10.6% 11.6%
28.3%
0.0%
10.0%
20.0%
30.0%
40.0%
50.0%
60.0%
70.0%
80.0%
90.0%
100.0%
18-34 35-49 50-64 65+
Less than Very Confident Very confident Other*
Question: For All Respondents…
Since March of this year, have you received food
from an organization such as a church or a food
bank to help feed you and your family?
1. Yes
2. No
3. DK
Received Food from a Food Bank Since March:
By Area(s) 2020
7.5%
8.5%
12.5%
14.0%
15.5%
17.0%
17.9%
21.3%
23.5%
25.0%
26.1%
31.7%
91.3%
88.3%
86.7%
85.0%
82.8%
82.5%
80.8%
77.2%
74.3%
74.2%
72.4%
65.9%
0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0%
Fayette
Cherokee
Gwinnett
Cobb
Henry
Douglas
ARC 10
Fulton
Rockdale
DeKalb
Clayton
City of
Atlanta
Yes No DK
Received Food from a Food Bank Since March:
By Race/ Ethnicity, 2020
28.6%
25.6%
17.9%
12.2%
71.2%
72.9%
81.5%
87.4%
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Latino*
Black
Other
White
Yes No DK
Received Food from a Food Bank Since March:
By Age Group, 2020
23.3% 21.4%
11.4% 10.3%
74.1% 78.2%
87.8% 89.7%
0%
10%
20%
30%
40%
50%
60%
70%
80%
90%
100%
18-34 35-49 50-64 65+
DK
No
Yes
Question: For All Respondents…
Some people have a hard time dealing with financial emergencies, while others are
better able to handle these situations….
We’d like to get a feel for how people would deal with an unexpected financial
emergency. Suppose you had to come up with $400 for such an emergency. Which of
the following best describes how you would handle such a situation?
1. You would pay for it with cash, check or debit card…
2. You would put it on a credit card…
3. You would borrow money from someone…
4. You would sell or pawn something to get the money, or…
5. You would not be able to get the money right now?
6. DK/NA
Could Pay for a $400 Emergency with…
By Area: 2020
41.0%
43.0%
44.1%
45.9%
49.4%
49.9%
50.0%
52.5%
52.8%
52.9%
56.0%
58.9%
59.0%
57.0%
55.9%
54.1%
50.6%
50.1%
50.0%
47.5%
47.3%
47.1%
44.0%
41.1%
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Clayton
Rockdale
City of Atlanta
Fulton
Cobb
Douglas
ARC 10
DeKalb
Gwinnett
Cherokee
Henry
Fayette
Cash, Check, Debit Other Options
Could Pay for a $400 Emergency with…by Race/Ethnicity: 2020
56.6%
44.4%
42.5%
40.0%
43.4%
55.6%
57.5%
60.0%
0.0%
10.0%
20.0%
30.0%
40.0%
50.0%
60.0%
White Black Other Latino*
Cash, Check, Debit Other Options
Could Pay for a $400 Emergency with…by Age Group: 2020
43.7% 46.2%
60.1%
54.6%
56.3% 53.8%
39.9%
45.4%
0%
10%
20%
30%
40%
50%
60%
70%
80%
90%
100%
18-34 35-49 50-64 65+
Cash, Check, Debit Other Options
Could Pay for a $400 Emergency with…by Race/Ethnicity: 2020
56.6%
44.4%
42.5%
40.0%
43.4%
55.6%
57.5%
60.0%
0.0%
10.0%
20.0%
30.0%
40.0%
50.0%
60.0%
White Black Other Latino*
Cash, Check, Debit Other Options
Question: For All Respondents…
We’d like to get your opinions on some issues related to the COVID-19 pandemic that
have been experiencing for several months now…
When considering your own wellbeing, has COVID-19 been a greater threat to…
<the first two response items will be randomly ordered for each respondent>
1.Your health…
2.Your finances…
3.Both your health and finances, or…
4.Neither?
5.(Respondent offers) DK/NA
Area(s) Most Impacted by COVID-19: 2020
2.4%
26.5%
19.8%
21.5%
29.8%
0.0% 5.0% 10.0% 15.0% 20.0% 25.0% 30.0% 35.0%
DK
Neither
Finances
Health
Both health and finances
Area(s) Most Impacted by COVID-19, by Age Group: 2020
18.1%
19.8%
22.9%
30.0%
25.3%
21.4%
20.0%
6.4%
34.3%
34.1%
26.4%
19.9%
19.9%
21.9%
29.5%
41.1%
0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0%
18-34
35-49
50-64
65+
Health Finances Both health and finances Neither DK
Delay of Medical Care? By Region & County: 2020
31.3%
35.3%
39.0%
40.3%
40.4%
41.1%
43.3%
43.8%
44.3%
44.6%
45.8%
46.6%
63.4%
60.5%
59.8%
56.3%
57.6%
55.4%
52.8%
55.8%
53.9%
53.1%
50.0%
49.2%
5.2%
4.3%
1.3%
3.4%
2.0%
3.5%
4.0%
0.5%
1.7%
2.2%
4.3%
4.1%
0.0% 20.0% 40.0% 60.0% 80.0% 100.0% 120.0%
Cherokee
Gwinnett
Douglas
Fulton
Rockdale
ARC 10
Clayton
Fayette
City of Atlanta
Cobb
Henry
DeKalb
Yes No DK
Race Relations
Discrimination against Black People is a Serious Problem”
by Area(s): 2020
27.9%
34.9%
44.5%
45.4%
46.3%
41.6%
49.8%
49.6%
55.4%
64.0%
60.8%
63.7%
29.9%
29.2%
22.5%
25.7%
26.3%
31.1%
26.8%
27.2%
27.7%
19.8%
26.7%
25.8%
24.9%
18.7%
16.3%
14.7%
17.8%
16.3%
12.8%
12.3%
8.8%
6.3%
5.3%
5.1%
13.0%
11.0%
12.0%
9.0%
8.3%
6.8%
9.3%
7.2%
5.7%
7.3%
4.0%
3.7%
0.0% 20.0% 40.0% 60.0% 80.0% 100.0% 120.0%
Cherokee
Fayette
Henry
Cobb
Rockdale
Gwinnett
Douglas
ARC 10
Fulton
Clayton
DeKalb
City of Atlanta
Strongly Agree Agree Disagree Strongly Disagree DK
“Discrimination against Black People is a Serious Problem”
by Age Group: 2020
32.1%
39.3%
53.1%
64.6%
32.1%
29.8%
23.5%
25.5%
20.8%
16.2%
12.7%
4.4%
10.3%
11.4%
5.2%
3.8%
0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0%
65+
50-64
35-49
18-34
Strongly Agree Agree Disagree Strongly Disagree DK
“Discrimination against Black People is a Serious Problem”
by Race/ Ethnicity: 2020
32.9%
45.4%
50.1%
73.0%
32.5%
31.2%
32.5%
20.0%
19.3%
13.7%
12.3%
2.5%
11.1%
7.4%
4.9%
2.0%
4.2%
2.4%
2.5%
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
White
Other
Latino
Black
Strongly Agree Agree Disagree Strongly Disagree DK
Question: For All Respondents…
If a typical white family in the United States has 100 units of
overall wealth, how many units of overall wealth does the typical
Black family have?
(INTERVIEWER: Code number of units 0 – 100. DK/NA = 999)
Ratio of Black Wealth to White Wealth by Area: 2020
41
44
46
48
51 51
53
55
56
58
65
51
10
0
10
20
30
40
50
60
70
Clayton DeKalb City of
Atlanta
Fulton Rockdale Gwinnett Douglas Henry Fayette Cobb Cherokee ARC 10 ACTUAL
“How Should Police Best Be Utilized?: by Area: 2020
40.6%
47.1% 47.3%
51.2% 51.8% 53.0%
55.4% 56.5% 56.6% 57.5% 58.5%
67.8%
56.4%
48.4% 49.6%
44.0% 43.5% 41.5%
39.7%
40.3%
36.1% 35.5%
38.8%
25.7%
3.0% 4.5% 3.1% 4.8% 4.8% 5.5% 5.0% 3.3%
7.3% 7.0%
2.8%
6.5%
0.0%
10.0%
20.0%
30.0%
40.0%
50.0%
60.0%
70.0%
80.0%
90.0%
100.0%
DeKalb Fulton City of
Atlanta
ARC10 Clayton Gwinnett Cobb Douglas Fayette Henry Rockdale Cherokee
Respond to all calls Leave non-violent calls to other agencies DK
“How Should Police Best Be Utilized?: by Age Group: 2020
37.2%
50.5%
59.6%
66.0%
57.2%
45.9%
35.6%
28.7%
5.6%
3.7%
4.8% 5.3%
0.0%
10.0%
20.0%
30.0%
40.0%
50.0%
60.0%
70.0%
18-34 35-49 50-64 65+
Respond to all calls Leave non-violent calls to other agencies DK
“How Should Police Best Be Utilized?:
by Race/ Ethnicity: 2020
39.7%
45.5%
44.5%
57.6%
57.9%
50.7%
49.4%
37.9%
2.5%
3.9%
6.1%
4.5%
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Latino
Black
Other
White
Respond to all calls Leave non-violent calls to other agencies DK
Looking Ahead 3-4 Years… 2020
25.6%
27.9%
29.8%
29.8%
29.9%
30.3%
30.7%
31.1%
32.2%
32.7%
39.7%
41.1%
34.3%
28.6%
26.0%
28.6%
28.9%
21.1%
27.2%
23.3%
26.3%
27.4%
23.0%
25.2%
30.3%
34.8%
37.8%
31.3%
34.2%
37.8%
31.4%
35.1%
33.9%
33.2%
31.3%
29.8%
9.8%
8.7%
6.5%
10.3%
7.0%
10.8%
10.7%
10.5%
7.6%
6.7%
6.0%
3.8%
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
Henry
DeKalb
Gwinnett
Rockdale
Douglas
Fayette
Cherokee
Clayton
ARC 10
Cobb
Fulton
City of Atlanta
Better in 3-4 years Worse in 3-4 years About the same DK
Looking Ahead 3-4 Years (By Race)…2020
30.2%
32.0%
36.0%
40.1%
24.9%
27.3%
27.0%
22.7%
37.7%
33.3%
30.6%
32.3%
7.3%
7.4%
6.4%
4.9%
0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%
White
Other
Black
Latino
Better in 3-4 years Worse in 3-4 years About the same DK
Tableau Dashboard (95% done)
https://atlantaregional.org/plans-reports/metro-atlanta-speaks-survey-report/
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MAS 2020 Summary Slide Deck-Short

  • 1. Summary Slide Deck 2020 MAS Results Review Research & Analytics, Center for Livable Communities, ARC jskinner@atlantaregional.org
  • 2. Genesis, Goals, Achievements • 2013 LINK Trip to Houston Led to Effort to Build on Kinder Institute Model (Rice University) • Goals for MAS: Assess Perceptions, Define Priorities, Gauge Opinions • Stable core of questions with relevant timely topics • Demographic Crosstabs Critical • Now in Eighth Year (2013 incept)
  • 3. Genesis, Goals, Achievements • Method 2013-2019: Random digit dial (RDD) sample survey of residents in the Atlanta Region – 5,200 surveyed in 2019 • New 2020 Method: Mixed-Mode – RDD of 2,500 respondents – Online panel of 1,900 – Overriding Focus = Pandemic
  • 4. Metro Atlanta Speaks-The Skinny • 2013: 1 Area (10 co Region) Only, 2.1K surveyed, 21 Q • 2014: 11 Areas (10 co+ Reg), 4.2K surveyed, 25 Q • 2015: 14 Areas (13 co+ Reg), 5.2K surveyed, 26 Q • 2016: 15 Areas (13 co+ Reg+ COA), 5.41K surveyed, 27 Q • 2017: 15 Areas (13 co+ Reg+ COA), 5.46K surveyed, 27 Q • 2018: 15 Areas (13 co+ Reg+ COA), 5.45K surveyed, 27 Q • 2019: 15 Areas (13 co+ Reg+ COA), 5.45K surveyed, 27 Q • 2017 to 2019: +-1.3@ MOE Region; 4-7% @ Subregion • 2020: 11 Areas (10 co+ Reg), 4.4K surveyed, 18 Q – +-1.5@ MOE Region; 3.5-5% @ Subregion • Different questions in different topics each year
  • 6. Milestones: 2020 Survey • Consultant Formally Engaged June • Questions Finalized in early July • Survey Conducted late July to late August • Results Delivered during September • Ongoing: Roundtables & Sponsor Webinars • In Development/ Embargoed: County Press Releases, Updated Website
  • 7. 2020 Highlights • COVID-19 Impacted Our World, Greatly – A Major Impact on 2 of 3 of Us • It Changed How We Assessed Our Biggest Problem/ Challenges – Public Health to 1st – Crime at second, though down (in share) from last year – The Economy, up from 7% in 2019 to 15% this year – Race Relations to 4th, up from 4% last year to 12% – Transportation falls to 5th place (from the top) • It Changed Our Employment/ Economic Stability and Health Situation(s) – Almost all pre-pandemic workers had COVID-19 disintegrate, or greatly alter, their work life – More stress on dealing with the basics and with financial emergencies – Concern with Health (obviously) increased, and Delay in Health Care pervasive • It Laid Bare Inequities in our Society – We DO perceive discrimination...some more than others – EVERYONE needs education about the extent of the gaps – We perceive, to some degree, a need for nuanced management of societal ills • …But We Still Have Hope for the Future – A slight increase in those seeing things as getting better in the next 3-4 years
  • 9. Extent of COVID Impact: 2020 66.8% 24.0% 7.3% 1.9% Major impact Minor impact No impact at all DK
  • 10. Extent of COVID Impact by County: 2020 4.5% 5.8% 6.4% 8.9% 9.5% 10.3% 7.8% 8.2% 9.2% 8.8% 6.0% 21.6% 21.1% 20.6% 18.6% 19.3% 23.8% 26.1% 26.9% 27.4% 30.1% 34.2% 72.2% 71.9% 69.9% 69.7% 69.2% 65.5% 64.4% 63.3% 62.7% 60.4% 57.4% 0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0% Henry DeKalb Fulton City of Atlanta Clayton Fayette Gwinnett Douglas Cobb Rockdale Cherokee Major impact Minor impact No impact at all DK
  • 11. Know Anyone That Has/ Had COVID-19?: 2020 58.4% 39.9% 1.8% Yes No DK
  • 12. Know Anyone That Has/ Had COVID-19? By Race/ Eth: 2020 55.9% 60.4% 60.5% 66.7% 43.3% 37.9% 37.1% 32.5% 0.8% 1.7% 2.4% 0.8% WHITE BLACK OTHER LATINO* Yes No DK * Latinx may be of any race
  • 13. The Biggest Problem?: The Change from 2019 to 2020 12% 5% 5% 17% 5% 15% 8% 8% 16% 10% 4% 4% 8% 7% 5% 7% 9% 10% 18% 28% 0% 5% 10% 15% 20% 25% 30% Race Relations DK Taxes Public Health Other Economy Human Services Public Education Crime Transportation 2019 2020
  • 14. The Biggest Problem?: Other Angles Shares 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Race Relations 2.2% 3.0% 4.9% 6.2% 4.6% 4.9% 4.0% 11.8% DK 3.7% 4.0% 3.7% 2.2% 4.9% 3.3% 4.0% 5.2% Taxes 5.6% 6.0% 4.9% 4.2% 4.9% 5.8% 8.0% 4.9% Public Health 4.3% 4.0% 4.5% 4.6% 5.4% 5.4% 7.0% 16.7% Other 5.9% 4.0% 1.7% 2.6% 6.2% 7.9% 5.0% 5.1% Economy 24.4% 20.0% 15.1% 12.3% 9.2% 6.0% 7.0% 14.8% Human Services 2.5% 7.0% 7.3% 8.5% 9.3% 7.2% 9.0% 7.5% Public Education 12.7% 14.0% 14.0% 12.0% 11.5% 9.4% 10.0% 7.5% Crime 17.4% 14.0% 17.2% 22.8% 16.9% 21.9% 18.0% 16.3% Transportation 21.4% 24.0% 26.7% 24.5% 27.2% 28.2% 28.2% 10.4% Rank 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Race Relations 10 10 6 6 10 9 9 4 DK 8 7 9 10 8 10 9 8 Taxes 6 6 6 8 8 7 5 10 Public Health 7 7 8 7 7 8 6 1 Other 5 7 10 9 6 4 8 9 Economy 1 2 3 3 5 6 6 3 Human Services 9 5 5 5 4 5 4 6 Public Education 4 3 4 4 3 3 3 6 Crime 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 Transportation 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 5 Pct Point Change 2013-2014 2014-2015 2015-2016 2016-2017 2017-2018 2018-2019 2019-2020 Race Relations 0.8 1.9 1.3 -1.6 0.3 -0.9 7.8 Increases DK 0.3 -0.3 -1.5 2.7 -1.6 0.7 1.2 Declines Taxes 0.4 -1.1 -0.7 0.7 0.9 2.2 -3.1 Public Health -0.3 0.5 0.1 0.8 0.0 1.6 9.7 Other -1.9 -2.3 0.9 3.6 1.7 -2.9 0.1 Economy -4.4 -4.9 -2.8 -3.1 -3.2 1.0 7.8 Human Services 4.5 0.3 1.2 0.8 -2.1 1.8 -1.5 Public Education 1.3 0.0 -2.0 -0.5 -2.1 0.6 -2.5 Crime -3.4 3.2 5.6 -5.9 5.0 -3.9 -1.7 Transportation 2.6 2.7 -2.2 2.7 1.0 0.0 -17.8
  • 15. The Biggest Problem?: 2020 by County 11.8% 13.7% 14.5% 15.5% 16.5% 16.7% 17.0% 17.7% 18.2% 18.3% 19.0% 19.8% 17.3% 15.2% 19.7% 19.6% 13.0% 16.3% 15.1% 16.9% 17.5% 15.0% 15.5% 19.5% 11.8% 17.5% 20.4% 12.5% 15.1% 14.8% 14.8% 15.2% 14.7% 14.8% 15.0% 12.8% 19.3% 14.2% 13.2% 10.9% 9.8% 11.8% 8.6% 10.7% 12.7% 12.3% 13.0% 17.0% 10.0% 8.2% 7.0% 11.5% 10.0% 10.4% 9.2% 12.2% 10.5% 10.8% 9.8% 4.8% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% Henry Douglas Clayton DeKalb Fulton ARC 10 City of Atlanta Cobb Cherokee Gwinnett Fayette Rockdale Public Health Crime Economy Race Relations Transportation Public Education Human Services DK Other Taxes
  • 16. 14.2% 10.3% 10.1% 5.5% 16.2% 19.4% 11.7% 21.6% 7.9% 5.9% 10.4% 11.8% 14.8% 16.3% 16.7% 7.5% 7.5% 4.9% 5.1% 5.2% 0.0% 5.0% 10.0% 15.0% 20.0% 25.0% Transportation Race Relations Economy Crime Public Health Public Education Human Services Taxes Other DK 18-34 35-49 50-64 65+ Overall The Biggest Problem?: 2020 by Age Group
  • 17. The Biggest Problem?: 2020 by Race/ Ethnicity 16.7% 13.0% 16.8% 13.5% 15.7% 9.8% 5.4% 7.2% 19.6% 12.5% 5.7% 10.4% 11.8% 14.8% 16.3% 16.7% 7.… 7.5% 4.9% 5.1% 5.2% 0.0% 5.0% 10.0% 15.0% 20.0% 25.0% Transportation Race Relations Economy Crime Public Health Public Education Human Services Taxes Other DK Black White Other Latino* Overall
  • 18. Question: For Pre-Pandemic Workers… Please tell us if you were affected by the COVID-19 pandemic in any of the following ways…. (Interviewer: Read each item separately and check if R says “yes”) 1. Laid off, terminated or furloughed from your job 2. Remained employed but with reduced hours 3. Remained employed, but forced to take a cut in wages/hourly pay 4. Allowed to work from home/telecommute 5. Quit job / resigned for personal safety 6. None of the above
  • 19. Share of Pre-Pandemic Workers with One or More “Changes in Status”…By Area: 2020 64.0% 74.3% 77.4% 81.2% 82.1% 82.4% 82.7% 82.8% 84.2% 85.6% 85.8% 86.0% 0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0% Douglas Cherokee Henry Rockdale Fayette ARC 10 Gwinnett Cobb Fulton DeKalb Clayton City of Atlanta
  • 20. Pre-Pandemic Employed Experiencing Layoffs… By Area: 2020 12.7% 19.5% 22.5% 23.0% 23.8% 24.4% 24.6% 25.3% 26.7% 28.2% 28.7% 29.2% 0.0% 5.0% 10.0% 15.0% 20.0% 25.0% 30.0% 35.0% Cobb Douglas Cherokee Henry ARC 10 Fayette Gwinnett Rockdale Fulton City of Atlanta DeKalb Clayton * % of 2,900 respondents employed as of the beginning of the pandemic
  • 21. Pre-Pandemic Employed Allowed to Work from Home… By Area: 2020 18.8% 24.3% 26.4% 26.8% 29.5% 31.6% 33.1% 34.0% 34.1% 37.7% 39.2% 43.1% 0.0% 5.0% 10.0% 15.0% 20.0% 25.0% 30.0% 35.0% 40.0% 45.0% 50.0% Clayton Douglas Henry Gwinnett Rockdale DeKalb ARC 10 Fayette Cherokee City of Atlanta Fulton Cobb * % of 2,900 respondents employed as of the beginning of the pandemic
  • 22. Pre-Pandemic Employed “Changes in Pandemic” by Race: 2020 29.0% 28.3% 15.3% 29.1% 6.6% 12.8% 19.1% 22.5% 11.4% 38.0% 5.0% 20.6% 26.2% 31.0% 15.9% 17.5% 12.7% 17.5% 0.0% 5.0% 10.0% 15.0% 20.0% 25.0% 30.0% 35.0% 40.0% Laid off, terminated or furloughed Remained Employed -Reduced hours Remained Employed - Cut in wages/ hourly pay Worked from home Quit job for safety reasons None of the above Latino* Other White Black
  • 23. Confidence in Ability to Pay Next Mortgage or Rent Payment…By Area: 2020 20.9% 23.8% 23.9% 29.8% 30.8% 31.7% 33.3% 33.3% 34.9% 38.8% 42.3% 44.1% 58.7% 65.9% 62.6% 57.6% 60.2% 54.4% 58.5% 56.9% 50.8% 47.8% 46.2% 46.1% 20.4% 10.3% 13.5% 12.5% 9.0% 13.9% 8.3% 9.8% 14.3% 13.4% 11.5% 9.7% 0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0% Cobb Fayette Cherokee Gwinnett Douglas ARC 10 Rockdale Henry Fulton DeKalb City of Atlanta Clayton Less than Very Confident Very confident Other*
  • 24. Confidence in Ability to Pay Mortgage or Rent…By Race/ Ethnicity: 2020 41.6% 21.3% 44.5% 42.3% 48.4% 60.9% 47.7% 48.9% 10.0% 17.8% 7.8% 8.8% 0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0% Black White Other Latino* Less than Very Confident Very confident Other*
  • 25. Confidence in Ability to Pay Mortgage or Rent…By Age Group: 2020 40.3% 36.9% 25.0% 15.4% 48.6% 52.5% 63.3% 56.3% 11.1% 10.6% 11.6% 28.3% 0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0% 18-34 35-49 50-64 65+ Less than Very Confident Very confident Other*
  • 26. Question: For All Respondents… Since March of this year, have you received food from an organization such as a church or a food bank to help feed you and your family? 1. Yes 2. No 3. DK
  • 27. Received Food from a Food Bank Since March: By Area(s) 2020 7.5% 8.5% 12.5% 14.0% 15.5% 17.0% 17.9% 21.3% 23.5% 25.0% 26.1% 31.7% 91.3% 88.3% 86.7% 85.0% 82.8% 82.5% 80.8% 77.2% 74.3% 74.2% 72.4% 65.9% 0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0% Fayette Cherokee Gwinnett Cobb Henry Douglas ARC 10 Fulton Rockdale DeKalb Clayton City of Atlanta Yes No DK
  • 28. Received Food from a Food Bank Since March: By Race/ Ethnicity, 2020 28.6% 25.6% 17.9% 12.2% 71.2% 72.9% 81.5% 87.4% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% Latino* Black Other White Yes No DK
  • 29. Received Food from a Food Bank Since March: By Age Group, 2020 23.3% 21.4% 11.4% 10.3% 74.1% 78.2% 87.8% 89.7% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% 18-34 35-49 50-64 65+ DK No Yes
  • 30. Question: For All Respondents… Some people have a hard time dealing with financial emergencies, while others are better able to handle these situations…. We’d like to get a feel for how people would deal with an unexpected financial emergency. Suppose you had to come up with $400 for such an emergency. Which of the following best describes how you would handle such a situation? 1. You would pay for it with cash, check or debit card… 2. You would put it on a credit card… 3. You would borrow money from someone… 4. You would sell or pawn something to get the money, or… 5. You would not be able to get the money right now? 6. DK/NA
  • 31. Could Pay for a $400 Emergency with… By Area: 2020 41.0% 43.0% 44.1% 45.9% 49.4% 49.9% 50.0% 52.5% 52.8% 52.9% 56.0% 58.9% 59.0% 57.0% 55.9% 54.1% 50.6% 50.1% 50.0% 47.5% 47.3% 47.1% 44.0% 41.1% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% Clayton Rockdale City of Atlanta Fulton Cobb Douglas ARC 10 DeKalb Gwinnett Cherokee Henry Fayette Cash, Check, Debit Other Options
  • 32. Could Pay for a $400 Emergency with…by Race/Ethnicity: 2020 56.6% 44.4% 42.5% 40.0% 43.4% 55.6% 57.5% 60.0% 0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% White Black Other Latino* Cash, Check, Debit Other Options
  • 33. Could Pay for a $400 Emergency with…by Age Group: 2020 43.7% 46.2% 60.1% 54.6% 56.3% 53.8% 39.9% 45.4% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% 18-34 35-49 50-64 65+ Cash, Check, Debit Other Options
  • 34. Could Pay for a $400 Emergency with…by Race/Ethnicity: 2020 56.6% 44.4% 42.5% 40.0% 43.4% 55.6% 57.5% 60.0% 0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% White Black Other Latino* Cash, Check, Debit Other Options
  • 35. Question: For All Respondents… We’d like to get your opinions on some issues related to the COVID-19 pandemic that have been experiencing for several months now… When considering your own wellbeing, has COVID-19 been a greater threat to… <the first two response items will be randomly ordered for each respondent> 1.Your health… 2.Your finances… 3.Both your health and finances, or… 4.Neither? 5.(Respondent offers) DK/NA
  • 36. Area(s) Most Impacted by COVID-19: 2020 2.4% 26.5% 19.8% 21.5% 29.8% 0.0% 5.0% 10.0% 15.0% 20.0% 25.0% 30.0% 35.0% DK Neither Finances Health Both health and finances
  • 37. Area(s) Most Impacted by COVID-19, by Age Group: 2020 18.1% 19.8% 22.9% 30.0% 25.3% 21.4% 20.0% 6.4% 34.3% 34.1% 26.4% 19.9% 19.9% 21.9% 29.5% 41.1% 0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0% 18-34 35-49 50-64 65+ Health Finances Both health and finances Neither DK
  • 38. Delay of Medical Care? By Region & County: 2020 31.3% 35.3% 39.0% 40.3% 40.4% 41.1% 43.3% 43.8% 44.3% 44.6% 45.8% 46.6% 63.4% 60.5% 59.8% 56.3% 57.6% 55.4% 52.8% 55.8% 53.9% 53.1% 50.0% 49.2% 5.2% 4.3% 1.3% 3.4% 2.0% 3.5% 4.0% 0.5% 1.7% 2.2% 4.3% 4.1% 0.0% 20.0% 40.0% 60.0% 80.0% 100.0% 120.0% Cherokee Gwinnett Douglas Fulton Rockdale ARC 10 Clayton Fayette City of Atlanta Cobb Henry DeKalb Yes No DK
  • 40. Discrimination against Black People is a Serious Problem” by Area(s): 2020 27.9% 34.9% 44.5% 45.4% 46.3% 41.6% 49.8% 49.6% 55.4% 64.0% 60.8% 63.7% 29.9% 29.2% 22.5% 25.7% 26.3% 31.1% 26.8% 27.2% 27.7% 19.8% 26.7% 25.8% 24.9% 18.7% 16.3% 14.7% 17.8% 16.3% 12.8% 12.3% 8.8% 6.3% 5.3% 5.1% 13.0% 11.0% 12.0% 9.0% 8.3% 6.8% 9.3% 7.2% 5.7% 7.3% 4.0% 3.7% 0.0% 20.0% 40.0% 60.0% 80.0% 100.0% 120.0% Cherokee Fayette Henry Cobb Rockdale Gwinnett Douglas ARC 10 Fulton Clayton DeKalb City of Atlanta Strongly Agree Agree Disagree Strongly Disagree DK
  • 41. “Discrimination against Black People is a Serious Problem” by Age Group: 2020 32.1% 39.3% 53.1% 64.6% 32.1% 29.8% 23.5% 25.5% 20.8% 16.2% 12.7% 4.4% 10.3% 11.4% 5.2% 3.8% 0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0% 65+ 50-64 35-49 18-34 Strongly Agree Agree Disagree Strongly Disagree DK
  • 42. “Discrimination against Black People is a Serious Problem” by Race/ Ethnicity: 2020 32.9% 45.4% 50.1% 73.0% 32.5% 31.2% 32.5% 20.0% 19.3% 13.7% 12.3% 2.5% 11.1% 7.4% 4.9% 2.0% 4.2% 2.4% 2.5% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% White Other Latino Black Strongly Agree Agree Disagree Strongly Disagree DK
  • 43. Question: For All Respondents… If a typical white family in the United States has 100 units of overall wealth, how many units of overall wealth does the typical Black family have? (INTERVIEWER: Code number of units 0 – 100. DK/NA = 999)
  • 44. Ratio of Black Wealth to White Wealth by Area: 2020 41 44 46 48 51 51 53 55 56 58 65 51 10 0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 Clayton DeKalb City of Atlanta Fulton Rockdale Gwinnett Douglas Henry Fayette Cobb Cherokee ARC 10 ACTUAL
  • 45. “How Should Police Best Be Utilized?: by Area: 2020 40.6% 47.1% 47.3% 51.2% 51.8% 53.0% 55.4% 56.5% 56.6% 57.5% 58.5% 67.8% 56.4% 48.4% 49.6% 44.0% 43.5% 41.5% 39.7% 40.3% 36.1% 35.5% 38.8% 25.7% 3.0% 4.5% 3.1% 4.8% 4.8% 5.5% 5.0% 3.3% 7.3% 7.0% 2.8% 6.5% 0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 80.0% 90.0% 100.0% DeKalb Fulton City of Atlanta ARC10 Clayton Gwinnett Cobb Douglas Fayette Henry Rockdale Cherokee Respond to all calls Leave non-violent calls to other agencies DK
  • 46. “How Should Police Best Be Utilized?: by Age Group: 2020 37.2% 50.5% 59.6% 66.0% 57.2% 45.9% 35.6% 28.7% 5.6% 3.7% 4.8% 5.3% 0.0% 10.0% 20.0% 30.0% 40.0% 50.0% 60.0% 70.0% 18-34 35-49 50-64 65+ Respond to all calls Leave non-violent calls to other agencies DK
  • 47. “How Should Police Best Be Utilized?: by Race/ Ethnicity: 2020 39.7% 45.5% 44.5% 57.6% 57.9% 50.7% 49.4% 37.9% 2.5% 3.9% 6.1% 4.5% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% Latino Black Other White Respond to all calls Leave non-violent calls to other agencies DK
  • 48.
  • 49. Looking Ahead 3-4 Years… 2020 25.6% 27.9% 29.8% 29.8% 29.9% 30.3% 30.7% 31.1% 32.2% 32.7% 39.7% 41.1% 34.3% 28.6% 26.0% 28.6% 28.9% 21.1% 27.2% 23.3% 26.3% 27.4% 23.0% 25.2% 30.3% 34.8% 37.8% 31.3% 34.2% 37.8% 31.4% 35.1% 33.9% 33.2% 31.3% 29.8% 9.8% 8.7% 6.5% 10.3% 7.0% 10.8% 10.7% 10.5% 7.6% 6.7% 6.0% 3.8% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% Henry DeKalb Gwinnett Rockdale Douglas Fayette Cherokee Clayton ARC 10 Cobb Fulton City of Atlanta Better in 3-4 years Worse in 3-4 years About the same DK
  • 50. Looking Ahead 3-4 Years (By Race)…2020 30.2% 32.0% 36.0% 40.1% 24.9% 27.3% 27.0% 22.7% 37.7% 33.3% 30.6% 32.3% 7.3% 7.4% 6.4% 4.9% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% White Other Black Latino Better in 3-4 years Worse in 3-4 years About the same DK