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[De]coding Product
Management
Jori Bell | 12.13.17
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@Jobe1130
Agenda.
● My path
● Understanding product management
● Demystifying engineering
● Actionable strategies
Me in a nutshell...
So, why am I talking to you about what I
can’t do?
● Not too proud
● Product is growing!
● “Are you technical?”
@Jobe1130
What is product management?
@Jobe1130
From Wikipedia...to Google.
The product manager
investigates, selects,
and drives the
development of
products for an
organization.
The intersection
between business,
technology and
user experience.
Architect the future of
our products by bridging
engineering and
business as you manage
a product's full lifecycle,
from strategic planning
to development and
launch.
Wikipedia
Mind the Product
Google
Why are there so many differing definitions of
product management?
● Product is “emerging” and “transient”
● Lacking a craft
● Different everywhere you go
How do the “Big 4” describe product management?
Lead the ideation, technical
development, and launch...
Establish shared vision...
building consensus
Drive product
development
Integrate usability studies,
researchand market
analysis ... enhance user
satisfaction
Define and analyze metrics ...
Understand Facebook’s strategic
and competitiveposition
... deliver products ...
Understand markets,
competitionand
customer/user
requirements....
Identify market
opportunities, build
business cases, and
define product vision...
Work collaboratively...
Define, lead, and
executea cohesive
global strategy...
collaborating as needed
across regions, product
areas, and functions.
Makes clear recommendations ... early
development, launch, growth —
guiding execution...
Manages the process used to develop
product features and positioning...
Authors proposals for features that
creatively achieve customer and
businessgoals.
Develops and experiments with new
approaches...
Creates and delivers formal
presentations and conducts group
discussions...
Plays a key role in the launchof
new features.
Time management and
prioritizationskills are
critical.
Define and deliver complex cross-functional
projects...
Run in front of the software development
team, helping define user stories, research
appropriate technical solutions, and provide
guidance to the team regarding architecture, design,
and priorities.
Build and maintain a complete project schedule...
drive it through to completion.
Anticipate bottlenecks, provide escalation, make
trade-offs, and balance the business needs
Engage with [many] other teams in the company...
Identify, assess, track and mitigate issues and risks
Create, maintain and disseminate project
information to stakeholders.
Qualitatively, product managers say that
you need to know “enough” to work with
engineering.
● What is “enough”...
○ Concepts not code
○ Ask the right questions
○ Inform decision-making
@Jobe1130
Engineers need...
● Business owner
● Voice of the consumer
● Larger context
@Jobe1130
In fact, technical product managers can
be limiting for engineers.
@Jobe1130
I don’t know, it still feels like I should learn
to code.
@Jobe1130
Ok, you’ve convinced me that I don’t need
to code. What do I need?
@Jobe1130
● Communication, communication, communication
● User Experience
● Business Background
@Jobe1130
Where to start when…
Get experience! Check out project management roles, participate in a hackathons
or find a mentor.
I’ve never worked
with engineers
before.
Where to start when…
Do your research and learn how to talk about your technical experience (or lack
thereof)!
I’m interviewing for
a PM job.
Where to start when…
Ask questions! Review the tech stack, find a place and/or person to ask questions,
interview your team, don’t try and change how things work on Day 1.
I’m working with a
new team of
engineers.
Where to start when…
Join a Product group - so many to choose from where you can share war stories.
You need support.
In fact, I polled the Women in Product Slack
group to do just that.
And I was flooded with responses.
@Jobe1130
“I just sort of own it that I don't
have a technical background..
my expertise is helping teams
work better together, thinking
about user experience, being
mindful of the universe of things
that are not strictly the technical
implementation.” Consultant
turned PM Manager @
PillPack
Teams need to compliment
each other so your weakness in
“technical abilities” needs to be
made up with a strength in
another PM skill, such as user
research, data analytics or
design. - Analyst turned PM
@ Stash
A technical background isn't
required to thrive in this
position. You need to know
how to break down problems
and come up with creative
solutions. You need to be an
excellent communicator and
organized multi-tasker. -
Analyst turned PM @ ACL
Be GREAT at obsessing
about and understanding
your customers’ problems.
That’s the highest value
thing you can do and
doesn’t require any technical
skills. - Marketing &
Comms turned PM @
Clio
“It helps to have the kind of team
that is interested in teaching the
basics and who are good at
translating high level tech jargon to
regular people speak.” - Editor
turned PM @ The Daily Beast
I think that is the strength of
non-tech PMs. We can
expertly explain the "what"
but trust our dev teams on the
"how" and they appreciate it
that we are not dictating that
to them.” - Undergrad turned
PM @ Indeed
The biggest blocker
Is YOU.
@Jobe1130
Thank you!
Appendix
Emma Carew Grovum from
● Editor turned Product Manager
● “Instead of being the journalists’ representative to the technology group,
I’m working the other way: based with the technology group and working
with the newsroom as my partner.”
● Advice: “I think you have to really believe in technology and trust your
engineers. It also helps to have the kind of team that is interested in
teaching the basics and who are good at translating high level tech jargon
to regular people speak.”
@Jobe1130
Kelly McStay from
● Consulting turned Product Manager
● “I just sort of own it that I don't have a technical background.. my
expertise is helping teams work better together, thinking about user
experience, being mindful of the universe of things that are not strictly the
technical implementation.”
● Advice: Think about _why_ you think you want to be a PM
● Consider products that aren't strictly consumer-facing - be flexible with
how you get into PM
● Learn to think about talk about products like product people do
● Be positive and try to stay upbeat about the search/career transition
process. PM is a strange, nebulous career field and can be discouraging
because there isn't always a clear path.
@Jobe1130
Shannon Boon from
● Undergrad to Product Management
● “I find, though, that the unique (business and strategy) perspective I bring
is actually needed by the team and usually appreciated. Sure, they get
tired of my endless questions sometimes, but I also rely on them to tell
me "how" to build something and don't propose technical solutions that
limit their creativity. I think that is the strength of non-tech PMs. We can
expertly explain the "what" but trust our dev teams on the "how" and they
appreciate it that we are not dictating that to them.”
● Advice: I would advise new PMs to not be intimidated, but instead take
the opportunity to learn what you can from your development team. Don't
learn everything (that is not your job), but understand the basics so you
can better communicate. And then show your team you trust them, while
at the same time pushing them for more creative, simple, fast solutions.
@Jobe1130
MaryAlexa Divver from
● Analyst turned Product Manager
● “Sometimes it’s difficult to understand certain concepts and true level of
effort but as you develop relationships with engineers on your team they
are more than happy to explain the technical side of things.”
● Advice: Be super strong on the other fronts of your role. Teams need to
compliment each other so your weakness in “technical abilities” needs to
be made up with a strength in another PM skill, such as user research,
data analytics or design.
@Jobe1130
Mai Nakane from
● Analyst turned Product Manager
● “ I don't need to be able to code in our product - I leave that to our expert team of
engineers. I make sure to jot down terms if I don't understand them, and google or
ask for answers when I can... I work with so many great minds that are able to help
me understand technical concepts and explain them to me in human language.”
● Advice: Don't be afraid of asking questions - even if you think they are dumb
questions, it's better to admit that you don't know something and be enlightened.
● Be hungry, do your research. If there's something you want to know more about,
research! The internet is at your fingertips.
● I read tons of blogs, books, and listened to podcasts about Product Management.
This helped me shape my philosophy around how I approach what I do. (PS - one
of my fave books is "Rework" by Jason Fried & David Hansson)
● A technical background isn't required to thrive in this position. You need to know
how to break down problems and come up with creative solutions. You need to be
an excellent communicator and organized multi-tasker. There are a ton of other
skills that you can leverage.
@Jobe1130
Ainsley Robertson from
● Marketing and Communications turned Product Manager
● “Dev teams should be able to communicate effectively without being
technical and that a PM’s role is to understand the customer problem and
set the product strategy so, hypothetically, it shouldn’t matter whether or
not a PM is technical.”
● Advice: Be GREAT at obsessing about and understanding your
customers’ problems. That’s the highest value thing you can do and
doesn’t require any technical skills.
@Jobe1130
Other reading
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/01/03/will-non-technical-product-managers-become-obsolete/#51177be377d5
https://www.productmanagerhq.com/2014/08/do-product-managers-need-a-technical-background/
https://medium.com/@kellymcleave/your-product-management-origin-story-d0b14692c6d8
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How to Succeed as a Non-Technical PM by Spotify's Product Owner

  • 1. How to Succeed as a Non-Technical PM by Spotify’s Product Owner www.productschool.com
  • 2. FREE INVITE Join 17,000+ Product Managers on productschool.com/slack-community
  • 6. Include @productschool and #prodmgmt at the end of your tweet Tweet to get a free ticket for our next Event!
  • 8. [De]coding Product Management Jori Bell | 12.13.17 The Product School
  • 9. @Jobe1130 Agenda. ● My path ● Understanding product management ● Demystifying engineering ● Actionable strategies
  • 10. Me in a nutshell...
  • 11.
  • 12. So, why am I talking to you about what I can’t do? ● Not too proud ● Product is growing! ● “Are you technical?” @Jobe1130
  • 13. What is product management? @Jobe1130
  • 14. From Wikipedia...to Google. The product manager investigates, selects, and drives the development of products for an organization. The intersection between business, technology and user experience. Architect the future of our products by bridging engineering and business as you manage a product's full lifecycle, from strategic planning to development and launch. Wikipedia Mind the Product Google
  • 15. Why are there so many differing definitions of product management? ● Product is “emerging” and “transient” ● Lacking a craft ● Different everywhere you go
  • 16. How do the “Big 4” describe product management? Lead the ideation, technical development, and launch... Establish shared vision... building consensus Drive product development Integrate usability studies, researchand market analysis ... enhance user satisfaction Define and analyze metrics ... Understand Facebook’s strategic and competitiveposition ... deliver products ... Understand markets, competitionand customer/user requirements.... Identify market opportunities, build business cases, and define product vision... Work collaboratively... Define, lead, and executea cohesive global strategy... collaborating as needed across regions, product areas, and functions. Makes clear recommendations ... early development, launch, growth — guiding execution... Manages the process used to develop product features and positioning... Authors proposals for features that creatively achieve customer and businessgoals. Develops and experiments with new approaches... Creates and delivers formal presentations and conducts group discussions... Plays a key role in the launchof new features. Time management and prioritizationskills are critical. Define and deliver complex cross-functional projects... Run in front of the software development team, helping define user stories, research appropriate technical solutions, and provide guidance to the team regarding architecture, design, and priorities. Build and maintain a complete project schedule... drive it through to completion. Anticipate bottlenecks, provide escalation, make trade-offs, and balance the business needs Engage with [many] other teams in the company... Identify, assess, track and mitigate issues and risks Create, maintain and disseminate project information to stakeholders.
  • 17. Qualitatively, product managers say that you need to know “enough” to work with engineering. ● What is “enough”... ○ Concepts not code ○ Ask the right questions ○ Inform decision-making @Jobe1130
  • 18. Engineers need... ● Business owner ● Voice of the consumer ● Larger context @Jobe1130
  • 19. In fact, technical product managers can be limiting for engineers. @Jobe1130
  • 20. I don’t know, it still feels like I should learn to code. @Jobe1130
  • 21. Ok, you’ve convinced me that I don’t need to code. What do I need? @Jobe1130 ● Communication, communication, communication ● User Experience ● Business Background
  • 23. Where to start when… Get experience! Check out project management roles, participate in a hackathons or find a mentor. I’ve never worked with engineers before.
  • 24. Where to start when… Do your research and learn how to talk about your technical experience (or lack thereof)! I’m interviewing for a PM job.
  • 25. Where to start when… Ask questions! Review the tech stack, find a place and/or person to ask questions, interview your team, don’t try and change how things work on Day 1. I’m working with a new team of engineers.
  • 26. Where to start when… Join a Product group - so many to choose from where you can share war stories. You need support.
  • 27. In fact, I polled the Women in Product Slack group to do just that. And I was flooded with responses. @Jobe1130
  • 28. “I just sort of own it that I don't have a technical background.. my expertise is helping teams work better together, thinking about user experience, being mindful of the universe of things that are not strictly the technical implementation.” Consultant turned PM Manager @ PillPack Teams need to compliment each other so your weakness in “technical abilities” needs to be made up with a strength in another PM skill, such as user research, data analytics or design. - Analyst turned PM @ Stash A technical background isn't required to thrive in this position. You need to know how to break down problems and come up with creative solutions. You need to be an excellent communicator and organized multi-tasker. - Analyst turned PM @ ACL Be GREAT at obsessing about and understanding your customers’ problems. That’s the highest value thing you can do and doesn’t require any technical skills. - Marketing & Comms turned PM @ Clio “It helps to have the kind of team that is interested in teaching the basics and who are good at translating high level tech jargon to regular people speak.” - Editor turned PM @ The Daily Beast I think that is the strength of non-tech PMs. We can expertly explain the "what" but trust our dev teams on the "how" and they appreciate it that we are not dictating that to them.” - Undergrad turned PM @ Indeed
  • 29. The biggest blocker Is YOU. @Jobe1130
  • 32. Emma Carew Grovum from ● Editor turned Product Manager ● “Instead of being the journalists’ representative to the technology group, I’m working the other way: based with the technology group and working with the newsroom as my partner.” ● Advice: “I think you have to really believe in technology and trust your engineers. It also helps to have the kind of team that is interested in teaching the basics and who are good at translating high level tech jargon to regular people speak.” @Jobe1130
  • 33. Kelly McStay from ● Consulting turned Product Manager ● “I just sort of own it that I don't have a technical background.. my expertise is helping teams work better together, thinking about user experience, being mindful of the universe of things that are not strictly the technical implementation.” ● Advice: Think about _why_ you think you want to be a PM ● Consider products that aren't strictly consumer-facing - be flexible with how you get into PM ● Learn to think about talk about products like product people do ● Be positive and try to stay upbeat about the search/career transition process. PM is a strange, nebulous career field and can be discouraging because there isn't always a clear path. @Jobe1130
  • 34. Shannon Boon from ● Undergrad to Product Management ● “I find, though, that the unique (business and strategy) perspective I bring is actually needed by the team and usually appreciated. Sure, they get tired of my endless questions sometimes, but I also rely on them to tell me "how" to build something and don't propose technical solutions that limit their creativity. I think that is the strength of non-tech PMs. We can expertly explain the "what" but trust our dev teams on the "how" and they appreciate it that we are not dictating that to them.” ● Advice: I would advise new PMs to not be intimidated, but instead take the opportunity to learn what you can from your development team. Don't learn everything (that is not your job), but understand the basics so you can better communicate. And then show your team you trust them, while at the same time pushing them for more creative, simple, fast solutions. @Jobe1130
  • 35. MaryAlexa Divver from ● Analyst turned Product Manager ● “Sometimes it’s difficult to understand certain concepts and true level of effort but as you develop relationships with engineers on your team they are more than happy to explain the technical side of things.” ● Advice: Be super strong on the other fronts of your role. Teams need to compliment each other so your weakness in “technical abilities” needs to be made up with a strength in another PM skill, such as user research, data analytics or design. @Jobe1130
  • 36. Mai Nakane from ● Analyst turned Product Manager ● “ I don't need to be able to code in our product - I leave that to our expert team of engineers. I make sure to jot down terms if I don't understand them, and google or ask for answers when I can... I work with so many great minds that are able to help me understand technical concepts and explain them to me in human language.” ● Advice: Don't be afraid of asking questions - even if you think they are dumb questions, it's better to admit that you don't know something and be enlightened. ● Be hungry, do your research. If there's something you want to know more about, research! The internet is at your fingertips. ● I read tons of blogs, books, and listened to podcasts about Product Management. This helped me shape my philosophy around how I approach what I do. (PS - one of my fave books is "Rework" by Jason Fried & David Hansson) ● A technical background isn't required to thrive in this position. You need to know how to break down problems and come up with creative solutions. You need to be an excellent communicator and organized multi-tasker. There are a ton of other skills that you can leverage. @Jobe1130
  • 37. Ainsley Robertson from ● Marketing and Communications turned Product Manager ● “Dev teams should be able to communicate effectively without being technical and that a PM’s role is to understand the customer problem and set the product strategy so, hypothetically, it shouldn’t matter whether or not a PM is technical.” ● Advice: Be GREAT at obsessing about and understanding your customers’ problems. That’s the highest value thing you can do and doesn’t require any technical skills. @Jobe1130
  • 39. Part-time Product Management Courses in San Francisco, Silicon Valley, Los Angeles, New York, Austin, Boston, Seattle, Chicago, Denver, London, Toronto www.productschool.com

Editor's Notes

  1. When you checked in tonight, you got an email inviting you to join our slack community In that community, we have 15k product people who have come through different companies like google, facebook, uber Sharing information about events, job offers from our partner companies, and valuable online content Please check your email and join - it’s free
  2. In our PM Course, we teach how to build products and how to get a job as a software product manager All our classes are 2 months, part time, and compatible with full time jobs. We have two options, Tues/Thurs in the evening and Saturdays in the morning Instructors- are senior level product managers from companies like Google, FB, Uber, etc
  3. In addition to our PM class, we offer our Coding for Managers class Also two months and part time tailored for professionals who don’t come from a traditional engineering background The goal of this course is not to make you a software engineer, but to give you enough technical background to build a fully functional website and pass the technical interview
  4. Similar to our coding course, we also offer our Data Analytics for Managers Tailored for people who don’t have a technical background but to give them enough knowledge of analytics to become product managers Also two months, compatible with full time jobs The goal of the course is not to make you a data scientist, but to make you technical enough to understand web analytics, learn SQL, and machine learning concepts
  5. We are also live streaming our event to our online audience If you want to share, please tweet @productschool and #prodmgmt for a free ticket to our next event
  6. Chicagoan > Badger > Hungry College Senior
  7. Digital Publishing -> Software Development Wanted bigger challenges and mobile platforms posed deeper technical challenges Also wanted to learn more about mobile because that was the “next frontier”
  8. I wasn’t proud of of my non-technical background. In fact it was a major source of self-consciousness for me early on in my career. Product is a growing field and the pipeline is sourced from many different backgrounds. Non-tech backgrounds should be celebrated. It’s also one of the most commonly asked questions I get as a Product Manager.
  9. Everyone has their own definition of product management, especially because it’s an “emerging” and sometimes transient career. Product Managers don’t have a “craft,” like designers or engineers, so, it’s harder to describe out of context of a company or team. Most challenging: It means different things at different places. But if we were to narrow this down to software development, we could see some common themes emerge.
  10. Everyone has their own definition of product management, especially because it’s an “emerging” and sometimes transient career. Product Managers don’t have a “craft,” like designers or engineers, so, it’s harder to describe out of context of a company or team. Most challenging: It means different things at different places. But if we were to narrow this down to software development, we could see some common themes emerge.
  11. Check out how the big 4 tech define product management in their job descriptions for standard PM level jobs Sources: Facebook, Apple, Google, Amazon Buzzwords include...launch, vision, priorities, execute, development, research, competition, business needs/goals, customer/users, They all mention working with engineers...so what does that mean?
  12. Engineers want a partner, not a prescription (Kunal story)
  13. Get introspective! Are you interested in engineering - because if so, I don’t want to stop you! Ask yourself what your ultimate goals are. Focus on the skillset in the scope of that role that will get you there - not going above and beyond to try and be something you’re not or don’t want to be.
  14. A testament to the number of successful PMs without technical experience and the comradery of the WIP Slack group.
  15. Jobs to be done framework Learn a little bit of something (stages of product) Own what u dont know