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Fluid & Elyte
Case Discussion
Hooman N
Professor
IUMS
2018
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Case 1
• A 15 kg child admitted for appendectomy.
• T= 40 C
• How do u order the necessary fluid for the
next 12 hours?
Page 3
Approach to Fluid Calculations
1. Maintenance:
2. Deficit:
3. Ongoing losses:
Page 4
Wt = Water Sodium Potassium
Maintenance
Deficit
Ongoing loss
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GOAL OF MAINTANANCE FLUIDS
• Prevent dehydration
• Prevent electrolyte disorder
• Prevent ketoacidosis
• Prevent protein degradation
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Maintenance Electrolytes
Electrolyte mEq/1000 ml H2O
Na+
34-77
K+
20
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Ongoing Loss
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A 2 year old has a 4-day history of gastroenteritis, poor
fluid intake and infrequent urination.
On exam you find dryness of the mucous membranes,
sunken eyes with mild tenting of the skin.
The serum sodium is 137 mEq/L.
The weight is 10 kg.
You determine the child is suffering from about ????%
dehydration.
What are the fluid and electrolyte requirements?
Case 2
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Deficit
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General condition
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Tenting
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Normal
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moderate
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severe
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Urine output
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Vital Sign
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Isonatremic Dehydration
 Na+
= 135-145 mEq/L
 Fluid deficit ?
 Which parts of deficit come from ICF v. ECF ?
ECF Na+
loss = ECF Fluid deficit (L) X 145
ICF K+ loss = ICF Fluid deficit (L) X 150
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ECF and ICF Percentage of Loss
% fluid of deficit % fluid of deficit
Duration of illness from ECF from ICF
<3 days 80 20
>3days 60 40
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H2O Na K Cl
(ml) (mEq) (mEq) (mEq)
Maintenance
Total deficit = 1000 ml
Extracellular fluid deficit
(60% of total)
Intracellular fluid deficit
(40% of total)
Total
1000 30 20 40
600 87 - 60
400 - 60 -
2000 117 80 100
Isonatremic Dehydration
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Phase Approach
 PHASE 1
– Emergency restoration of circulation if patient is hypovolemic
– 10-20 ml/kg of isotonic fluids only  40ml/kg
– No response  10ml/kg albumin/plasma/blood
 PHASE 2
– Replacement of ½ of the fluid loss (deficit and maintenance) in
first 8 hours
– Replacement of ongoing loss
 PHASE 3
– Replacement of remaining ½ of the fluid loss (maintenance
and remaining deficit) in next 16 hours
– Replacement of potassium after voids
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You see a 3 year old who has had diarrhea and been
vomiting for 3 days. She has been drinking tap water
most of this time.
Examination shows sunken eyes and marked tenting of
the skin but the child is not in shock.
The serum Na+
is 120 mEq/L.
The weight 14 kg.
You estimate the deficit as 7%.
What are the fluid and electrolyte requirements for this
patient?
Case 3
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Hypotonic Dehydration
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Hyponatremia
• Hospital acquired hypoNa
– <135 meq/L 17-45% MILD
– <130 1-5%
Moderate
– <125 Severe
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Na deficit
(Desired Na- Patient Na) x 0.6 wt
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• Maintenance (Fluid + Elyte)
• Isotonic Deficit
• Excess Na deficit
• Ongoing Loss
(Desired Na- Patient Na) x 0.6 wt
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If seizure
1 ml/kg 3% NaCl  1mEq/L Na increase
4-6 ml/kg
1 ml/kg 3% NaCl  1mEq/L Na increase
4-6 ml/kg
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You see a 6 month old suffering for 4 days from
severe diarrhea.
The mucous membranes are dry, skin feels doughy
and the child is somnolent and lethargic.
The serum Na+
is 165 mEq/L.
The child weighs 5 kg and you assume the fluid
deficit is at least 10%.
What are the fluid and electrolyte requirements?
Case 4
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case 5
• A 7 year old boy presented with at least a weeks
history of abdominal pain and vomiting and
polyuria . He was mildly confused. BP= Nr., wt=25
kg
– PH=7.52 Na=137
– PCO2=44.6 K= 2.2
– HCO3= 38 Cl=91
– How do you approach to this patient?
– How do you treat ?
– What is the cause of hypokalemia?
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3.5-5.53.5-5.5 >2>2
22
11
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Treatment
– Oral
• Safest, although solutions may cause diarrhea
– IV
• Peripheral: do not exceed 40-50 mEq/L potassium - Avoid
temptation to rapidly bolus
• Central: 0.5 -1 mEq/kg over 1-3 hours, depending on
severity
– Replace magnesium also if low
• (25-50 mg/kg MgSO4)
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Case 6
– 8 month old infant with ARPKD presents with
irritability. She is on nightly peritoneal dialysis
at home.
– The lab calls a panic potassium value of 7.1
meq/L.
– The tech says it is not hemolyzed.
What do you do now?
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TTKG
• The transtubular potassium gradient in the cortical
collecting duct is an index reflecting conservation of
potassium.
• A normal TTKG on normal diets is 8-9. in normal
subjects
• With a potassium load the TTKG may rise to 11.
• In the face of Hyperkalemia, a low TTKG (<7) may
indicate hypoaldosteronism.
• Without other disease, hypokalemia should produce
a TTKG <3 (some authors say TTKG <2.) The
expected TTKG in hyperkalemia is >10.
•
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Cardiac Monitor
• What is this rhythm?
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The goals of therapy, in chronologic order
1. Antagonize the effect of K on excitable cell
membranes.
2. Redistribute extracellular K into cells.
3. Enhance elimination of K from the body.
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fluid and electrolyte

  • 1. Page 1 Fluid & Elyte Case Discussion Hooman N Professor IUMS 2018
  • 2. Page 2 Case 1 • A 15 kg child admitted for appendectomy. • T= 40 C • How do u order the necessary fluid for the next 12 hours?
  • 3. Page 3 Approach to Fluid Calculations 1. Maintenance: 2. Deficit: 3. Ongoing losses:
  • 4. Page 4 Wt = Water Sodium Potassium Maintenance Deficit Ongoing loss
  • 5. Page 5 GOAL OF MAINTANANCE FLUIDS • Prevent dehydration • Prevent electrolyte disorder • Prevent ketoacidosis • Prevent protein degradation
  • 9. Page 9 Maintenance Electrolytes Electrolyte mEq/1000 ml H2O Na+ 34-77 K+ 20
  • 12. Page 12 A 2 year old has a 4-day history of gastroenteritis, poor fluid intake and infrequent urination. On exam you find dryness of the mucous membranes, sunken eyes with mild tenting of the skin. The serum sodium is 137 mEq/L. The weight is 10 kg. You determine the child is suffering from about ????% dehydration. What are the fluid and electrolyte requirements? Case 2
  • 27. Page 27 Isonatremic Dehydration  Na+ = 135-145 mEq/L  Fluid deficit ?  Which parts of deficit come from ICF v. ECF ? ECF Na+ loss = ECF Fluid deficit (L) X 145 ICF K+ loss = ICF Fluid deficit (L) X 150
  • 28. Page 28 ECF and ICF Percentage of Loss % fluid of deficit % fluid of deficit Duration of illness from ECF from ICF <3 days 80 20 >3days 60 40
  • 29. Page 29 H2O Na K Cl (ml) (mEq) (mEq) (mEq) Maintenance Total deficit = 1000 ml Extracellular fluid deficit (60% of total) Intracellular fluid deficit (40% of total) Total 1000 30 20 40 600 87 - 60 400 - 60 - 2000 117 80 100 Isonatremic Dehydration
  • 30. Page 30 Phase Approach  PHASE 1 – Emergency restoration of circulation if patient is hypovolemic – 10-20 ml/kg of isotonic fluids only  40ml/kg – No response  10ml/kg albumin/plasma/blood  PHASE 2 – Replacement of ½ of the fluid loss (deficit and maintenance) in first 8 hours – Replacement of ongoing loss  PHASE 3 – Replacement of remaining ½ of the fluid loss (maintenance and remaining deficit) in next 16 hours – Replacement of potassium after voids
  • 32. Page 32 You see a 3 year old who has had diarrhea and been vomiting for 3 days. She has been drinking tap water most of this time. Examination shows sunken eyes and marked tenting of the skin but the child is not in shock. The serum Na+ is 120 mEq/L. The weight 14 kg. You estimate the deficit as 7%. What are the fluid and electrolyte requirements for this patient? Case 3
  • 34. Page 34 Hyponatremia • Hospital acquired hypoNa – <135 meq/L 17-45% MILD – <130 1-5% Moderate – <125 Severe
  • 35. Page 35 Na deficit (Desired Na- Patient Na) x 0.6 wt
  • 36. Page 36 • Maintenance (Fluid + Elyte) • Isotonic Deficit • Excess Na deficit • Ongoing Loss (Desired Na- Patient Na) x 0.6 wt
  • 37. Page 37 If seizure 1 ml/kg 3% NaCl  1mEq/L Na increase 4-6 ml/kg 1 ml/kg 3% NaCl  1mEq/L Na increase 4-6 ml/kg
  • 39. Page 39 You see a 6 month old suffering for 4 days from severe diarrhea. The mucous membranes are dry, skin feels doughy and the child is somnolent and lethargic. The serum Na+ is 165 mEq/L. The child weighs 5 kg and you assume the fluid deficit is at least 10%. What are the fluid and electrolyte requirements? Case 4
  • 44. Page 44 case 5 • A 7 year old boy presented with at least a weeks history of abdominal pain and vomiting and polyuria . He was mildly confused. BP= Nr., wt=25 kg – PH=7.52 Na=137 – PCO2=44.6 K= 2.2 – HCO3= 38 Cl=91 – How do you approach to this patient? – How do you treat ? – What is the cause of hypokalemia?
  • 47. Page 47 Treatment – Oral • Safest, although solutions may cause diarrhea – IV • Peripheral: do not exceed 40-50 mEq/L potassium - Avoid temptation to rapidly bolus • Central: 0.5 -1 mEq/kg over 1-3 hours, depending on severity – Replace magnesium also if low • (25-50 mg/kg MgSO4)
  • 49. Page 49 Case 6 – 8 month old infant with ARPKD presents with irritability. She is on nightly peritoneal dialysis at home. – The lab calls a panic potassium value of 7.1 meq/L. – The tech says it is not hemolyzed. What do you do now?
  • 51. Page 51 TTKG • The transtubular potassium gradient in the cortical collecting duct is an index reflecting conservation of potassium. • A normal TTKG on normal diets is 8-9. in normal subjects • With a potassium load the TTKG may rise to 11. • In the face of Hyperkalemia, a low TTKG (<7) may indicate hypoaldosteronism. • Without other disease, hypokalemia should produce a TTKG <3 (some authors say TTKG <2.) The expected TTKG in hyperkalemia is >10. •
  • 52. Page 52 Cardiac Monitor • What is this rhythm?
  • 54. Page 54 The goals of therapy, in chronologic order 1. Antagonize the effect of K on excitable cell membranes. 2. Redistribute extracellular K into cells. 3. Enhance elimination of K from the body.