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beyond objective and subjective statistics
a discussion
Christian P. Robert
Universit´e Paris-Dauphine (CEREMADE)
& University of Warwick (Dept. of Statistics)
http://xianblog.wordpress.com,seriesblog.net
Royal Statistical Society, April 2017
the elephant in the room...
Statistical analysis invariably starts
with the unquestioned premise of the
random nature of the data
which differs from the assumption of a
probabilistic model generating the
data [not much discussed therein]
& connects with repeatability of
observations, which is almost always
wrong
the elephant in the room...
Statistical analysis invariably starts
with the unquestioned premise of the
random nature of the data
which differs from the assumption of a
probabilistic model generating the
data [not much discussed therein]
& connects with repeatability of
observations, which is almost always
wrong
How do we address this blatantly wrong start?!
[perspective that led Keynes to abandon statistics and move to
economics!]
...and the tortoise in the next room
Is focus on wrong issue
arguing between ourselves about the best way to solve the
wrong problem,
while users seek approximate solutions with some modicum of
efficiency
i.e., satisfied with imprecise inference
...and the tortoise in the next room
Is focus on wrong issue
arguing between ourselves about the best way to solve the
wrong problem,
while users seek approximate solutions with some modicum of
efficiency
i.e., satisfied with imprecise inference
E.g., how many statistical problems “solved” Amazon in a
day, compared with uncovering new fundamental particles???
a forensic illustration
Vote on 10 April by US National Commission on Forensic Science
on how forensic analysts should testify about evidence:
Analysts must
explain
how they examined evidence
what statistical analyses they
chose
inherent uncertainties in their
measurements
[R. Mejia, Nature, 4 April 2017]
a forensic illustration
Vote on 10 April by US National Commission on Forensic Science
on how forensic analysts should testify about evidence:
Analysts must
never claim with certainty that
anything on a crime scene is
linked to a suspect
quantify the probability that
observed similarities occurred by
chance
[R. Mejia, Nature, 4 April 2017]
the ultimate issue with statistics
“...the ultimate
inaccessibility of a reality
that is truly independent of
observers is a basic human
condition.” A. Gelman
& C. Hennig
Except for the most [basic] scientific
settings, there is not reality behind
statistical models [Box], hence an
inaccessible consensus is the rule
”Keynesians who focus on more subjective factors...”
Read in John Maynard Keynes’s A Treatise on Probability (1921):
“...where general statistics are
available, the numerical
probability which might be
derived from them is inapplicable
because of the presence of
additional knowledge with
regards to the particular case...”
”Keynesians who focus on more subjective factors...”
Read in John Maynard Keynes’s A Treatise on Probability (1921):
“...until a prima facie case has
been established for the existence
of a stable probable frequency,
we have but a flimsy basis for
any statistical induction...”
models, models, models
missing: trial-and-error way of
building a statistical model
and/or analysis,
while subjective inputs from
operator(s) and regulators found
at all stages of construction
and should be spelled out rather
than ignored (or rejected)
99% of the Universe
discussion on foundations (§5) thorough [objective judgement!] but
does not expand on issue of “default” or all-inclusive
statistical solutions
used through “point-and-shoot” software by innumerate
practitioners
while under impression of conducting a statistical analysis
99% of the Universe
discussion on foundations (§5) thorough [objective judgement!] but
does not expand on issue of “default” or all-inclusive
statistical solutions
used through “point-and-shoot” software by innumerate
practitioners
while under impression of conducting a statistical analysis
false feeling also occurs in treatment of statistical expertise by
media, courts, and scientific journals
99% of the Universe
discussion on foundations (§5) thorough [objective judgement!] but
does not expand on issue of “default” or all-inclusive
statistical solutions
used through “point-and-shoot” software by innumerate
practitioners
while under impression of conducting a statistical analysis
false feeling also occurs in treatment of statistical expertise by
media, courts, and scientific journals
[We are the 1%!!!]
Relativity
Pertains to awareness of multiple perspectives but also to stability
Fundamental dependence of inferential output on statistical
framework(s)
difference in outcomes perfectly acceptable
inner assessment of model feasible by producing pseudo data
comparison of frameworks only to the extent of predictive
characteristics
Relativity
Pertains to awareness of multiple perspectives but also to stability
Bayesian analysis [both objective and subjective] well-suited to
this purpose / rescued by relativity
move to quantum theory where objectivity is impossible due
to the presence of the observer/experimenter [??]
reproducibility fraught with danger: production of similar
results depends on rigid framework, relates to fact that
statistics not experimental science
rise of the machines
relevance of machine
learning for [model-free]
learning
dismissal of
machine-learning perspective
disappointing
given robustness [against
models] of machine learning
prediction
...if missing in uncertainty
assessment
the five pillars of statistical wisdom
frequentism, subjective about the Universe and its probability
distribution, and about the choice of an inference procedure,
with falsifiability only achievable by replicating data via
simulation, but this only rejects poor models
[agreeing with Davies, 2014]
the five pillars of statistical wisdom
frequentism, subjective about the Universe and its probability
distribution, and about the choice of an inference procedure,
with falsifiability only achievable by replicating data via
simulation, but this only rejects poor models
[agreeing with Davies, 2014]
subjective Bayesianism is quite objective and open about its
subjectivity or relativity, working in parallel universes that do
not need to intersect, provided they produce such universes
(discussion seems to swerve towards a common prior principle
that I do not understand!)
the five pillars of statistical wisdom
subjective Bayesianism is quite objective and open about its
subjectivity or relativity, working in parallel universes that do
not need to intersect, provided they produce such universes
(discussion seems to swerve towards a common prior principle
that I do not understand!)
very subjective concept of objective Bayes when it reduces to
Jaynes’s! and missing the point of “objective” Bayes
principles which is not to be unique but rather define a generic
principle of derivation of a prior from the likelihood function
without a particular justification
the five pillars of statistical wisdom
very subjective concept of objective Bayes when it reduces to
Jaynes’s! and missing the point of “objective” Bayes
principles which is not to be unique but rather define a generic
principle of derivation of a prior from the likelihood function
without a particular justification
I do not feel the gap between the above and the falsificationist
Bayesian perspective expressed in Section 5.5, hence sounds
very subjective to me. Unless the school reduces to Gelman
and Shalizi (2013)?!
embracing uncertainty with a subjective hug
basic realism and uncertain nature of data call for an absence of
hard decisions like tests and model choices, but rather for
descriptive performances of the suggested procedures, accepting
imperfection and variability in the answer produced locally
“Its not so hard to move away
from hypothesis testing and
toward a Bayesian approach of
embracing variation and
accepting uncertainty.” A.
Gelman
conclusion
exposes the need to spell out the various inputs leading to a
statistical analysis
reinforces the call for model awareness:
critical stance on all modelling inputs, including priors!,
disbelief that any model is true
potential if realistic outcome would be to impose not only
production of all conscious choices but also through the
posting of (true or pseudo-) data and of relevant code for all
publications involving a statistical analysis
conclusion
proposal too idealistic in that most users (and most makers)
of statistics cannot or would not spell out their assumptions
and choices, being unaware of or unapologetic about those
central difficulty with statistics as a service discipline, namely
that almost anyone anywhere can produce an estimate or a
p-value without ever being proven wrong
how epistemological argument here going to profit statistical
methodology
add layers of warning that the probability behind the model is
not connected with the phenomenon
a debate to be continued, hopefully
See you at O’Bayes17:
International Workshop on Objective Bayes Methodology
held in Austin, Texas, Su, December 10 through We, December
13, 2017
[https://sites.google.com/site/obayes2017/]

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beyond objectivity and subjectivity; a discussion paper

  • 1. beyond objective and subjective statistics a discussion Christian P. Robert Universit´e Paris-Dauphine (CEREMADE) & University of Warwick (Dept. of Statistics) http://xianblog.wordpress.com,seriesblog.net Royal Statistical Society, April 2017
  • 2. the elephant in the room... Statistical analysis invariably starts with the unquestioned premise of the random nature of the data which differs from the assumption of a probabilistic model generating the data [not much discussed therein] & connects with repeatability of observations, which is almost always wrong
  • 3. the elephant in the room... Statistical analysis invariably starts with the unquestioned premise of the random nature of the data which differs from the assumption of a probabilistic model generating the data [not much discussed therein] & connects with repeatability of observations, which is almost always wrong How do we address this blatantly wrong start?! [perspective that led Keynes to abandon statistics and move to economics!]
  • 4. ...and the tortoise in the next room Is focus on wrong issue arguing between ourselves about the best way to solve the wrong problem, while users seek approximate solutions with some modicum of efficiency i.e., satisfied with imprecise inference
  • 5. ...and the tortoise in the next room Is focus on wrong issue arguing between ourselves about the best way to solve the wrong problem, while users seek approximate solutions with some modicum of efficiency i.e., satisfied with imprecise inference E.g., how many statistical problems “solved” Amazon in a day, compared with uncovering new fundamental particles???
  • 6. a forensic illustration Vote on 10 April by US National Commission on Forensic Science on how forensic analysts should testify about evidence: Analysts must explain how they examined evidence what statistical analyses they chose inherent uncertainties in their measurements [R. Mejia, Nature, 4 April 2017]
  • 7. a forensic illustration Vote on 10 April by US National Commission on Forensic Science on how forensic analysts should testify about evidence: Analysts must never claim with certainty that anything on a crime scene is linked to a suspect quantify the probability that observed similarities occurred by chance [R. Mejia, Nature, 4 April 2017]
  • 8. the ultimate issue with statistics “...the ultimate inaccessibility of a reality that is truly independent of observers is a basic human condition.” A. Gelman & C. Hennig Except for the most [basic] scientific settings, there is not reality behind statistical models [Box], hence an inaccessible consensus is the rule
  • 9. ”Keynesians who focus on more subjective factors...” Read in John Maynard Keynes’s A Treatise on Probability (1921): “...where general statistics are available, the numerical probability which might be derived from them is inapplicable because of the presence of additional knowledge with regards to the particular case...”
  • 10. ”Keynesians who focus on more subjective factors...” Read in John Maynard Keynes’s A Treatise on Probability (1921): “...until a prima facie case has been established for the existence of a stable probable frequency, we have but a flimsy basis for any statistical induction...”
  • 11. models, models, models missing: trial-and-error way of building a statistical model and/or analysis, while subjective inputs from operator(s) and regulators found at all stages of construction and should be spelled out rather than ignored (or rejected)
  • 12. 99% of the Universe discussion on foundations (§5) thorough [objective judgement!] but does not expand on issue of “default” or all-inclusive statistical solutions used through “point-and-shoot” software by innumerate practitioners while under impression of conducting a statistical analysis
  • 13. 99% of the Universe discussion on foundations (§5) thorough [objective judgement!] but does not expand on issue of “default” or all-inclusive statistical solutions used through “point-and-shoot” software by innumerate practitioners while under impression of conducting a statistical analysis false feeling also occurs in treatment of statistical expertise by media, courts, and scientific journals
  • 14. 99% of the Universe discussion on foundations (§5) thorough [objective judgement!] but does not expand on issue of “default” or all-inclusive statistical solutions used through “point-and-shoot” software by innumerate practitioners while under impression of conducting a statistical analysis false feeling also occurs in treatment of statistical expertise by media, courts, and scientific journals [We are the 1%!!!]
  • 15. Relativity Pertains to awareness of multiple perspectives but also to stability Fundamental dependence of inferential output on statistical framework(s) difference in outcomes perfectly acceptable inner assessment of model feasible by producing pseudo data comparison of frameworks only to the extent of predictive characteristics
  • 16. Relativity Pertains to awareness of multiple perspectives but also to stability Bayesian analysis [both objective and subjective] well-suited to this purpose / rescued by relativity move to quantum theory where objectivity is impossible due to the presence of the observer/experimenter [??] reproducibility fraught with danger: production of similar results depends on rigid framework, relates to fact that statistics not experimental science
  • 17. rise of the machines relevance of machine learning for [model-free] learning dismissal of machine-learning perspective disappointing given robustness [against models] of machine learning prediction ...if missing in uncertainty assessment
  • 18. the five pillars of statistical wisdom frequentism, subjective about the Universe and its probability distribution, and about the choice of an inference procedure, with falsifiability only achievable by replicating data via simulation, but this only rejects poor models [agreeing with Davies, 2014]
  • 19. the five pillars of statistical wisdom frequentism, subjective about the Universe and its probability distribution, and about the choice of an inference procedure, with falsifiability only achievable by replicating data via simulation, but this only rejects poor models [agreeing with Davies, 2014] subjective Bayesianism is quite objective and open about its subjectivity or relativity, working in parallel universes that do not need to intersect, provided they produce such universes (discussion seems to swerve towards a common prior principle that I do not understand!)
  • 20. the five pillars of statistical wisdom subjective Bayesianism is quite objective and open about its subjectivity or relativity, working in parallel universes that do not need to intersect, provided they produce such universes (discussion seems to swerve towards a common prior principle that I do not understand!) very subjective concept of objective Bayes when it reduces to Jaynes’s! and missing the point of “objective” Bayes principles which is not to be unique but rather define a generic principle of derivation of a prior from the likelihood function without a particular justification
  • 21. the five pillars of statistical wisdom very subjective concept of objective Bayes when it reduces to Jaynes’s! and missing the point of “objective” Bayes principles which is not to be unique but rather define a generic principle of derivation of a prior from the likelihood function without a particular justification I do not feel the gap between the above and the falsificationist Bayesian perspective expressed in Section 5.5, hence sounds very subjective to me. Unless the school reduces to Gelman and Shalizi (2013)?!
  • 22. embracing uncertainty with a subjective hug basic realism and uncertain nature of data call for an absence of hard decisions like tests and model choices, but rather for descriptive performances of the suggested procedures, accepting imperfection and variability in the answer produced locally “Its not so hard to move away from hypothesis testing and toward a Bayesian approach of embracing variation and accepting uncertainty.” A. Gelman
  • 23. conclusion exposes the need to spell out the various inputs leading to a statistical analysis reinforces the call for model awareness: critical stance on all modelling inputs, including priors!, disbelief that any model is true potential if realistic outcome would be to impose not only production of all conscious choices but also through the posting of (true or pseudo-) data and of relevant code for all publications involving a statistical analysis
  • 24. conclusion proposal too idealistic in that most users (and most makers) of statistics cannot or would not spell out their assumptions and choices, being unaware of or unapologetic about those central difficulty with statistics as a service discipline, namely that almost anyone anywhere can produce an estimate or a p-value without ever being proven wrong how epistemological argument here going to profit statistical methodology add layers of warning that the probability behind the model is not connected with the phenomenon
  • 25. a debate to be continued, hopefully See you at O’Bayes17: International Workshop on Objective Bayes Methodology held in Austin, Texas, Su, December 10 through We, December 13, 2017 [https://sites.google.com/site/obayes2017/]