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Learning to do Agile in
Marketing!
Antony Marsh
Agile and Lean Coach
PT Ekipa Indonesia
My Journey
1. Context
2. Challenges
3. Way forward - Overseas
Travel Journey Moment
4. Lessons
Context
Context - Marketing function in large Australian Bank
● Marketing still a silo - and
product silos within Marketing
● 200 marketing consultants
● “Segment” and “Programs”
teams
● Supporting teams in Delivery,
Analytics, Digital
● Had been doing “Agile” for 18
months
● I come from tech - Business
Analyst and Agile practitioner
for about 10 years
Work done by the marketing teams
● Manage and develop large
marketing campaigns
● Could be product-focused
or brand-focused
● Still heavy emphasis on
traditional channels TV,
radio, print, “Out of Home”
● TV
● Youtube
● Facebook
● Twitter
Why do Agile in Marketing?
● Need to move away from large, expensive
traditional “above the line” campaigns
● Marketing is digital - technology is digital
● Data-driven marketing - test a hypothesis!
● Understand the customer better - customer
journeys and moments
● Move away from pushing products to
connecting with customers - lifetime value
proposition
Where we were on our Agile journey?
● Agile broadly supported by teams and
management
● Consultants had implemented basic,
“traditional agile”
● Agile had demonstrated some benefits
(10% staff decrease, but productivity up
20%)
● Management felt Agile could help even
more if extended and improved
● Customer journeys and moments
Agile Software Development vs Agile Marketing
Software
● Creative
● Innovative
● High technical risk
● Complex, new problems must be
solved
● New processes
● Building a product
● One product/outcome at a time
Marketing
● Creative
● Innovative?
● Technology well understood
● Simple customer hypotheses
tested
● Repeated processes
● Marketing products or services
● Many campaigns/ads/outcomes
simultaneously
Challenges
Marketing campaign life-cycle
Product
team
Segment
team
Programs
Team
Ideation/
brief
Creative
Agency
Programs
Team
ApprovalApprovals -
Marketing,
Legal, Risk,
Brand,
Stakeholder
Other
Creation
of assets
- digital
and
physical
Deploy
assets -
digital
and
physical
Analytics/
feedback -
make
changes
Decomm
-ision
Handoffs,
waste,
waiting,
rework
Challenges
● Complex, non-linear value stream
● Teams highly specialised, not cross-functional
● Work is outsourced to creative agencies who work at a different cadence - so
waste, waiting, re-work
● Teams then manage work through a complex approval process - waste,
waiting, re-work
● Teams then pass on work to Analytics and Deployment teams - waste,
waiting, rework
● Poor/no backlogs exacerbate these problems
● Weak/No Product Owners
● Product development Agile didn’t work! How could we move to a more
data/customer journey/moment focused way of work?
What Agile methods would suit Marketing - let’s try
those!!!
● Break away from a Product Development
Agile model
● Become more cross-functional
● Form, test and iterate on hypotheses quickly
- MVP!!!!
● Experiment with team structures and
processes
● Get value to market faster
What we did
● Move away from product development Agile towards continuous flow
Agile/Lean
● Kanban and scrumban boards to suit repetitive process work and identify
bottlenecks
● Squads (not teams) to encourage cross-functionality
● 90 day plans to assist with product backlogs/sprint planning
● Portfolio views of work for planning and tracking work over the Quarter
● Attention paid to prioritising work - less is more!
Way Forward - Overseas
Travel Journey Moment
Why Transform Digitally in Marketing?
● Need to move away from large, expensive
traditional “above the line” campaigns
● Marketing is digital - technology is digital
● Data-driven marketing - test a hypothesis!
● Understand the customer better - customer
journeys and moments
● Move away from pushing products to
connecting with customers - lifetime value
proposition
How could we become data driven, digital marketers
● Become more cross-functional in teams
● Form, test and iterate on hypotheses quickly
● Experiment with team structures and
processes
● Get value to market faster
Problem - customers don’t register for overseas travel
Increased fraud, loss of cards, cards blocked, poor customer experience,
increased cost to bank for call centres, replacement cards, emergency financial
help
App already sent alerts if customer was at the airport
Goal - encourage registration of travel
● Better customer service,
● reduced cost of call centres and helping customers overseas
● reduced credit card fraud
● Cross sell and promote other products (travel credit/debit, insurance, partner
products)
TXN airfares?? > get email > open email > click through to site >
authenticated > register overseas trip
Business hypothesis
We Believe That identifying customers through transactions and emailing
them
Will Result In some of these customers registering for overseas travel on
the internet banking site
We Will Know We Have Succeeded When more than 10% of the customers
who click through to the site from the email register for an overseas
travel trip
** secondary experiment … could we set up a quick, agile, cross-functional team to
run the experiment?
● Formed a virtual team - with Data - Email
template team - Creative - Digital production -
Digital analytics
● Simple Kanban board
● Two month timeline End to End
● Concept proven! - quick acting,
virtual cross-functional team
could get faster results than
siloed teams
● Hypothesis validated - a
significant % of customers
registered for travel
● Team empowered - continue
formulate hypotheses and
test/learn/adapt
Result!
What’s our next experiment?
Can we cross-sell other products like travel insurance? Would a travel debit card
help? What if we allowed customers to block/unblock their cards while travelling?
Lessons for
Agile
Marketers
@AgileAnt
antony.marsh@ekipa.co

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Agile Marketing - Overseas Travel Journey Case Study

  • 1. Learning to do Agile in Marketing! Antony Marsh Agile and Lean Coach PT Ekipa Indonesia
  • 2. My Journey 1. Context 2. Challenges 3. Way forward - Overseas Travel Journey Moment 4. Lessons
  • 4. Context - Marketing function in large Australian Bank ● Marketing still a silo - and product silos within Marketing ● 200 marketing consultants ● “Segment” and “Programs” teams ● Supporting teams in Delivery, Analytics, Digital ● Had been doing “Agile” for 18 months ● I come from tech - Business Analyst and Agile practitioner for about 10 years
  • 5. Work done by the marketing teams ● Manage and develop large marketing campaigns ● Could be product-focused or brand-focused ● Still heavy emphasis on traditional channels TV, radio, print, “Out of Home”
  • 6. ● TV ● Youtube ● Facebook ● Twitter
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  • 8. Why do Agile in Marketing? ● Need to move away from large, expensive traditional “above the line” campaigns ● Marketing is digital - technology is digital ● Data-driven marketing - test a hypothesis! ● Understand the customer better - customer journeys and moments ● Move away from pushing products to connecting with customers - lifetime value proposition
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  • 14. Where we were on our Agile journey? ● Agile broadly supported by teams and management ● Consultants had implemented basic, “traditional agile” ● Agile had demonstrated some benefits (10% staff decrease, but productivity up 20%) ● Management felt Agile could help even more if extended and improved ● Customer journeys and moments
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  • 16. Agile Software Development vs Agile Marketing Software ● Creative ● Innovative ● High technical risk ● Complex, new problems must be solved ● New processes ● Building a product ● One product/outcome at a time Marketing ● Creative ● Innovative? ● Technology well understood ● Simple customer hypotheses tested ● Repeated processes ● Marketing products or services ● Many campaigns/ads/outcomes simultaneously
  • 18. Marketing campaign life-cycle Product team Segment team Programs Team Ideation/ brief Creative Agency Programs Team ApprovalApprovals - Marketing, Legal, Risk, Brand, Stakeholder Other Creation of assets - digital and physical Deploy assets - digital and physical Analytics/ feedback - make changes Decomm -ision
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  • 21. Challenges ● Complex, non-linear value stream ● Teams highly specialised, not cross-functional ● Work is outsourced to creative agencies who work at a different cadence - so waste, waiting, re-work ● Teams then manage work through a complex approval process - waste, waiting, re-work ● Teams then pass on work to Analytics and Deployment teams - waste, waiting, rework ● Poor/no backlogs exacerbate these problems ● Weak/No Product Owners ● Product development Agile didn’t work! How could we move to a more data/customer journey/moment focused way of work?
  • 22. What Agile methods would suit Marketing - let’s try those!!! ● Break away from a Product Development Agile model ● Become more cross-functional ● Form, test and iterate on hypotheses quickly - MVP!!!! ● Experiment with team structures and processes ● Get value to market faster
  • 23. What we did ● Move away from product development Agile towards continuous flow Agile/Lean ● Kanban and scrumban boards to suit repetitive process work and identify bottlenecks ● Squads (not teams) to encourage cross-functionality ● 90 day plans to assist with product backlogs/sprint planning ● Portfolio views of work for planning and tracking work over the Quarter ● Attention paid to prioritising work - less is more!
  • 24. Way Forward - Overseas Travel Journey Moment
  • 25. Why Transform Digitally in Marketing? ● Need to move away from large, expensive traditional “above the line” campaigns ● Marketing is digital - technology is digital ● Data-driven marketing - test a hypothesis! ● Understand the customer better - customer journeys and moments ● Move away from pushing products to connecting with customers - lifetime value proposition
  • 26. How could we become data driven, digital marketers ● Become more cross-functional in teams ● Form, test and iterate on hypotheses quickly ● Experiment with team structures and processes ● Get value to market faster
  • 27. Problem - customers don’t register for overseas travel Increased fraud, loss of cards, cards blocked, poor customer experience, increased cost to bank for call centres, replacement cards, emergency financial help
  • 28. App already sent alerts if customer was at the airport
  • 29. Goal - encourage registration of travel ● Better customer service, ● reduced cost of call centres and helping customers overseas ● reduced credit card fraud ● Cross sell and promote other products (travel credit/debit, insurance, partner products)
  • 30. TXN airfares?? > get email > open email > click through to site > authenticated > register overseas trip
  • 31. Business hypothesis We Believe That identifying customers through transactions and emailing them Will Result In some of these customers registering for overseas travel on the internet banking site We Will Know We Have Succeeded When more than 10% of the customers who click through to the site from the email register for an overseas travel trip ** secondary experiment … could we set up a quick, agile, cross-functional team to run the experiment?
  • 32. ● Formed a virtual team - with Data - Email template team - Creative - Digital production - Digital analytics ● Simple Kanban board ● Two month timeline End to End
  • 33. ● Concept proven! - quick acting, virtual cross-functional team could get faster results than siloed teams ● Hypothesis validated - a significant % of customers registered for travel ● Team empowered - continue formulate hypotheses and test/learn/adapt Result!
  • 34. What’s our next experiment? Can we cross-sell other products like travel insurance? Would a travel debit card help? What if we allowed customers to block/unblock their cards while travelling?

Editor's Notes

  1. Context - the work of marketing and why the agile product development approach was not working (5 mins) - The bank and its marketing work. The Agile approach that was being used and that needed to be improved. Understanding the problem - Using agile/lean techniques to address the problems of agile marketing - the 7 wastes of knowledge work (5 mins) - Understanding why the fit between the work of Marketing and Agile didn't match. How a tool (7 wastes) was applied to better understand the problem and to help define a solution. The solution - agile techniques and approaches that worked in marketing here (5 mins) - What worked and why - kanban, scrumban, 90 day planning boards, visualisation of work, and using language that marketers could understand - test and learn, experimentation, measuring performance and adapting Lessons - defining an agile setup approach to marketing and other non-technical areas (5 mins) - A (brief) general approach to setting up agile in marketing and other non-tech areas
  2. This slide explains why we do agile. Not to be agile, but to have better outcomes