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How do I get a job?
Evidence-based advice
Judith Logan, University of Toronto
Sandra Herber, University of Guelph-Humber
“Real, practical work experience is what
will get you a job after school. For
students what that means is that
seeking out, securing and excelling in an
internship is key to the library school
experience. “
Vandegrift, M. (2013, March 21). [Series] Experiencing LIS – The Internship Edition. Retrieved from
http://hacklibschool.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/internship/#more-731
Agenda
1. About the project
2. Interesting findings
3. Actionable findings
‘pPLWE’
=
Pre-professional LIS work
experience
Primary research question
How do pre-professional LIS work experiences
affect LIS students’ subsequent career
success?
Secondary research questions
● What pre-professional LIS work experiences
(pPLWE) do students have access to?
● What outcomes do students get out of their
pPLWE?
● What external factors affect the influence of
these pPLWE?
Methodology
Icons by Sarah Abraham and Brennan Novak at the Noun Project
Unstructured interviews
Fall 2013
Online survey
Fall 2014
Inclusion criteria
Interviews
● U of T iSchool or Western FIMS
● 2008-2012
Survey
● U of T iSchool
● Must have had LIS concentration
● Graduated 2008-2013
n=88 / 554 eligible
16% response rate
Interesting findings...
but not necessarily actionable if
you’re already in a LIS program
Today’s measure of impact
Time (in months) it took
respondents to get a job
after graduation
Icon by Wayne Middleton at the Noun Project
Did previous work in a library make a
difference in how fast people got jobs?
Not really.
Of people who had previous
library work:
● 21% had a job before
graduating
● 52% got a job within 6
months
● 8% got a job in 7-12 months
But…
that wasn’t much different from everyone else
Of those who had careers before doing an LIS:
● 44% were ‘early career’ (1-3 years of experience)
● 16% were ‘mid career’ (4 - 6 years of experience)
● 40% were ‘late career’ (more than 7 years of experience)
It seems those ‘early career’
people have a slight advantage
Did having more than a Bachelor’s degree make a difference in
how quickly people got jobs?
Not really. In fact...
...it took people
with Master’s
degrees longer to
get jobs
There is a trajectory everyone goes
through
Actionable findings
if you’re a pre-professional or an LIS
student
Types of pPLWEs
1. Formal, programmatic
a. Practicums
b. Virtual reference internships
c. Job shadowing
2. Matrix
a. Paid vs. unpaid
b. Within the university vs. outside of the university
3. None
Icons by Sergi Delgado and iconsmind.com at the Noun Project
Subjective
Objective
vs
Of all experiences, respondents
chose paid work as the most
impactful
What respondents who
got jobs in under 6
months had done
What all respondents
said was most impactful
Paid work in the library system of my LIS program’s
university
1 2
Paid work in a library or information centre setting outside
of my LIS program’s university
2 1
Job shadowing 3 7
Practicum (105 hours) 4 3
Practicum (45 hours) 5 4
Unpaid/volunteer work in a library or information centre
setting outside of my LIS program’s university
6 5
Virtual reference internship 7 7
Rankings
What respondents who
got jobs in under 6
months had done
What respondents who
got jobs in under 6
months said was most
impactful
Paid work in the library system of my LIS program’s
university
1 1
Paid work in a library or information centre setting outside
of my LIS program’s university
2 2
Job shadowing 3 0
Practicum (105 hours) 4 4
Practicum (45 hours) 5 3
Unpaid/volunteer work in a library or information centre
setting outside of my LIS program’s university
6 5
Virtual reference internship 7 0
Rankings
“You feel differently about a job when
you’re being paid for it. … I think people
give you different things to do. They
treat you in a different way when you’re
being paid.”
-Interviewee
Most impactful
experience
People who said paid work was the
most impactful, got these things out
of the experience
1. Added to my professional resume (98%)
2. Taught me practical professional skills (95%)
3. Helped me build my professional network &
Clarified my professional aspirations (93%)
Interestingly...
The paid work was less likely to introduce you
to new areas of librarianship not previously
considered (32% said it did not).
How many hours do you need to
work?
Of the people who had jobs within 6 months of
graduation…
● 40% worked less than 10 hours weekly in
their most impactful field experience
Takeaways
1. Stop worrying
a. Previous library work experience
b. Length of time in previous career
c. Master’s
d. Trajectory towards permanent, full time takes time
2. Get paid work
3. Under 15 hours (even under 10 hours)
weekly is enough
https://lisfieldexperiences.wordpress.com/
judith.logan@utoronto.ca
sandra.herber@guelphhumber.ca

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How do I get a job? Evidence-based advice

  • 1. How do I get a job? Evidence-based advice Judith Logan, University of Toronto Sandra Herber, University of Guelph-Humber
  • 2. “Real, practical work experience is what will get you a job after school. For students what that means is that seeking out, securing and excelling in an internship is key to the library school experience. “ Vandegrift, M. (2013, March 21). [Series] Experiencing LIS – The Internship Edition. Retrieved from http://hacklibschool.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/internship/#more-731
  • 3. Agenda 1. About the project 2. Interesting findings 3. Actionable findings
  • 5. Primary research question How do pre-professional LIS work experiences affect LIS students’ subsequent career success?
  • 6. Secondary research questions ● What pre-professional LIS work experiences (pPLWE) do students have access to? ● What outcomes do students get out of their pPLWE? ● What external factors affect the influence of these pPLWE?
  • 7. Methodology Icons by Sarah Abraham and Brennan Novak at the Noun Project Unstructured interviews Fall 2013 Online survey Fall 2014
  • 8. Inclusion criteria Interviews ● U of T iSchool or Western FIMS ● 2008-2012 Survey ● U of T iSchool ● Must have had LIS concentration ● Graduated 2008-2013
  • 9. n=88 / 554 eligible 16% response rate
  • 10. Interesting findings... but not necessarily actionable if you’re already in a LIS program
  • 11. Today’s measure of impact Time (in months) it took respondents to get a job after graduation Icon by Wayne Middleton at the Noun Project
  • 12.
  • 13. Did previous work in a library make a difference in how fast people got jobs?
  • 14. Not really. Of people who had previous library work: ● 21% had a job before graduating ● 52% got a job within 6 months ● 8% got a job in 7-12 months But… that wasn’t much different from everyone else
  • 15. Of those who had careers before doing an LIS: ● 44% were ‘early career’ (1-3 years of experience) ● 16% were ‘mid career’ (4 - 6 years of experience) ● 40% were ‘late career’ (more than 7 years of experience)
  • 16. It seems those ‘early career’ people have a slight advantage
  • 17. Did having more than a Bachelor’s degree make a difference in how quickly people got jobs?
  • 18. Not really. In fact... ...it took people with Master’s degrees longer to get jobs
  • 19. There is a trajectory everyone goes through
  • 20.
  • 21. Actionable findings if you’re a pre-professional or an LIS student
  • 22. Types of pPLWEs 1. Formal, programmatic a. Practicums b. Virtual reference internships c. Job shadowing 2. Matrix a. Paid vs. unpaid b. Within the university vs. outside of the university 3. None
  • 23. Icons by Sergi Delgado and iconsmind.com at the Noun Project Subjective Objective vs
  • 24.
  • 25.
  • 26. Of all experiences, respondents chose paid work as the most impactful
  • 27.
  • 28. What respondents who got jobs in under 6 months had done What all respondents said was most impactful Paid work in the library system of my LIS program’s university 1 2 Paid work in a library or information centre setting outside of my LIS program’s university 2 1 Job shadowing 3 7 Practicum (105 hours) 4 3 Practicum (45 hours) 5 4 Unpaid/volunteer work in a library or information centre setting outside of my LIS program’s university 6 5 Virtual reference internship 7 7 Rankings
  • 29. What respondents who got jobs in under 6 months had done What respondents who got jobs in under 6 months said was most impactful Paid work in the library system of my LIS program’s university 1 1 Paid work in a library or information centre setting outside of my LIS program’s university 2 2 Job shadowing 3 0 Practicum (105 hours) 4 4 Practicum (45 hours) 5 3 Unpaid/volunteer work in a library or information centre setting outside of my LIS program’s university 6 5 Virtual reference internship 7 0 Rankings
  • 30. “You feel differently about a job when you’re being paid for it. … I think people give you different things to do. They treat you in a different way when you’re being paid.” -Interviewee
  • 32. People who said paid work was the most impactful, got these things out of the experience 1. Added to my professional resume (98%) 2. Taught me practical professional skills (95%) 3. Helped me build my professional network & Clarified my professional aspirations (93%)
  • 33. Interestingly... The paid work was less likely to introduce you to new areas of librarianship not previously considered (32% said it did not).
  • 34. How many hours do you need to work? Of the people who had jobs within 6 months of graduation… ● 40% worked less than 10 hours weekly in their most impactful field experience
  • 35.
  • 36. Takeaways 1. Stop worrying a. Previous library work experience b. Length of time in previous career c. Master’s d. Trajectory towards permanent, full time takes time 2. Get paid work 3. Under 15 hours (even under 10 hours) weekly is enough

Editor's Notes

  1. JL ONE ASPECT OF GETTING A JOB...
  2. “Has anyone heard this before?” “Has anyone advised this to students before?” Really common advice.
  3. JL improve your chances of finding employment quickly.
  4. JL
  5. JL
  6. JL invited through email list that includes all MI iSchool alumni
  7. SH now we’ll talk a little about the results we got we’re going to start with some interesting findings (well, at least interesting to us) which aren’t really actionable. We’ll focus the rest of the presentation on findings which you can use to make decisions while in library school
  8. SH Time to get job is one way to quantify impact for our purposes today
  9. Everybody SH
  10. Show of hands… SH more than half of the respondents had worked in a library or information centre before starting their LIS program
  11. SH having worked in a library or information centre before their LIS program only made a slight difference in how fast people got jobs 52% of those with experience got a job w/i 6 months - a little more than the total 49.4% 8% of those with experience got a job in 7-12 months - less than the rest
  12. SH
  13. SH
  14. SH it took longer for people with an additional Masters to get jobs - are they more fussy? : ) 79% of Bachelor holders got a job before graduating or within 6 months, but only 43% of Master holders
  15. TRAJECTORY SH
  16. SH
  17. JL
  18. JL Environmental scan and interviews.
  19. We asked them what they did (objective) and what they thought had the most impact (subjective)
  20. JL
  21. JL
  22. JL Respondents chose paid work as the most impactful experience, but is it really? How do we objectively confirm this subjective belief? The article we’ll write will do this more scientifically, but for today’s purposes we’ll continue to look at those ”successful” graduates who got jobs in under 6 months
  23. JL What people who secured a job within six months of graduation had engaged in. How does that relate to their “most impactful” choices?
  24. JL:
  25. Explains why job shadowing was high: everyone does it because it’s easy and quick, but it respondents didn’t find it impactful.
  26. SH we asked respondents to choose their most impactful field experience
  27. SH Generated these categories from the interviews.
  28. SH
  29. SH Is paid work more important because you get more hours?
  30. SH NEED TO ADD TIME TO GET JOB DIMENSION - I can’t remember what we meant by this
  31. SH
  32. SH put slides on blog.