Creative Practice | Double interview about co-design technics for Healthy Students & Children with Autism Frens Pries works on patient-centred approaches to healthcare. Policy makers, healthcare professionals are in search of the real meaning of personalized care. How do medical products and services, such as self-monitoring apps, add to the experience of personalization? Helma van Rijn develops interactive light animations and games in multi-disciplinary teams of designers and developers in co-design with children with autism, their teachers & therapists. How do they get these children with developmental and autism spectrum disorder to play together at the table?