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Edge IoT and 5G – can
WebRTC help?
Tim@pi.pe
Start a discussion
• I'm genuinely asking a question here. I admit almost complete ignorance.

I'd love feedback either at the end of the session 

or afterwards in the bar, or email tim@pi.pe
WHO AM I?
• Tim Panton ( @steely-glint)

• CTO @ |pipe|

• |pipe| provides WebRTC toolkit for edge cameras etc

• With decentralised auth/security + E2E encryption + NAT traversal

• Typical use-case is a Baby Monitor - users are typically in same building
5G Problem
• 5G touted as WiFi replacement

• Many 5g use cases require low latency

• Many require BYOD

• Many are geographically local

• But area too big to cover easily with WiFi 

• This contrasts with most video confs etc
DJI’s farming package
Let’s do an experiment
(Signal permitting - QR)
Results of experiment
• WebRTC latency test

• Between two 4g devices

• In the same cell on the same carrier

• >100ms latency between them

• vs < 10ms on wifi
Diagram of WebRTC in 4g *
Telco core network Internet
TURN

SERVER
Farmer

BYOD
iPhone
Smart Agriculture
Desired Path
Actual Path
*on same carrier network. X-network calls can often bypass TURN
Why?
Billing Legal Intercept Spectrum
Policy
3gpp
standards
https://davidmassonart.artstation.com
The four horsemen of the tele apocalypse
No,
5G/SDN won't help
If you think it will - 

Ask yourself how the farmer's BYOD iPhone will get to be a temporary
part of an SDN layer just for this action and not for her email/e-commerce
What if....
Telco core network Internet
TURN server

server in the cell
Farmer

BYOD
iPhone
Smart Agriculture
Desired Path
Actual Path
Billing
Cloned
traffic for LI
TURN request contains
• Credentials (one off or long-term both supported)

• Target IP address

• Source IP address

• Cell knows the 'terminal' involved



This should be sufficient info
How might it work?
• App adds extra cell-TURN to WebRTC config

• Apps send TURN requests 

• Cell-TURN pairs up requests 

• Creates temp path between IP:port <-> IP:port 

• Or does something funky with the Network (firewall/NAT/SDN rule?)
Benefits
• Low latency

• Works with BYOD on 2.5 Billion smartphones

• Zero install

• ‘Pipe’ ends in application layer not at the OS - minimise misuse

• IETF/w3c standard with known cryptography

• Auto fallback to existing situation if no cell-TURN possible
It will never happen
• See Horsemen

• Probably true

• Except perhaps for 'private' 5g
Private 5g
• Cell service on own Land 

• Warehouses

• Farms

• Village not-spots

• Islands

• Temp sites (festivals, camping etc)



4 Horsemen may be excluded or weakened.
Side benefits
• Reduces backhaul

• Works during cloud outage

• Opens new billing models (hectares covered?)

• Proprietary (meta)Data doesn't leave own land

• GDPR compliance is easier
The Ask
If anyone wants to try building this is in their 4/5g solution 

we'd love to collaborate.
Discussion

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TADSummit EMEA: Edge IoT and 5G – can WebRTC help? by Tim Panton is CTO at |pipe|

  • 1. Edge IoT and 5G – can WebRTC help? Tim@pi.pe
  • 2. Start a discussion • I'm genuinely asking a question here. I admit almost complete ignorance.
 I'd love feedback either at the end of the session 
 or afterwards in the bar, or email tim@pi.pe
  • 3. WHO AM I? • Tim Panton ( @steely-glint) • CTO @ |pipe| • |pipe| provides WebRTC toolkit for edge cameras etc • With decentralised auth/security + E2E encryption + NAT traversal • Typical use-case is a Baby Monitor - users are typically in same building
  • 4. 5G Problem • 5G touted as WiFi replacement • Many 5g use cases require low latency • Many require BYOD • Many are geographically local • But area too big to cover easily with WiFi • This contrasts with most video confs etc DJI’s farming package
  • 5. Let’s do an experiment (Signal permitting - QR)
  • 6.
  • 7.
  • 8. Results of experiment • WebRTC latency test • Between two 4g devices • In the same cell on the same carrier • >100ms latency between them • vs < 10ms on wifi
  • 9. Diagram of WebRTC in 4g * Telco core network Internet TURN
 SERVER Farmer
 BYOD iPhone Smart Agriculture Desired Path Actual Path *on same carrier network. X-network calls can often bypass TURN
  • 10. Why? Billing Legal Intercept Spectrum Policy 3gpp standards https://davidmassonart.artstation.com The four horsemen of the tele apocalypse
  • 11. No, 5G/SDN won't help If you think it will - 
 Ask yourself how the farmer's BYOD iPhone will get to be a temporary part of an SDN layer just for this action and not for her email/e-commerce
  • 12. What if.... Telco core network Internet TURN server
 server in the cell Farmer
 BYOD iPhone Smart Agriculture Desired Path Actual Path Billing Cloned traffic for LI
  • 13. TURN request contains • Credentials (one off or long-term both supported) • Target IP address • Source IP address • Cell knows the 'terminal' involved
 
 This should be sufficient info
  • 14. How might it work? • App adds extra cell-TURN to WebRTC config • Apps send TURN requests • Cell-TURN pairs up requests • Creates temp path between IP:port <-> IP:port • Or does something funky with the Network (firewall/NAT/SDN rule?)
  • 15. Benefits • Low latency • Works with BYOD on 2.5 Billion smartphones • Zero install • ‘Pipe’ ends in application layer not at the OS - minimise misuse • IETF/w3c standard with known cryptography • Auto fallback to existing situation if no cell-TURN possible
  • 16. It will never happen • See Horsemen • Probably true • Except perhaps for 'private' 5g
  • 17. Private 5g • Cell service on own Land • Warehouses • Farms • Village not-spots • Islands • Temp sites (festivals, camping etc)
 
 4 Horsemen may be excluded or weakened.
  • 18. Side benefits • Reduces backhaul • Works during cloud outage • Opens new billing models (hectares covered?) • Proprietary (meta)Data doesn't leave own land • GDPR compliance is easier
  • 19. The Ask If anyone wants to try building this is in their 4/5g solution 
 we'd love to collaborate.