A presentation at the workshop on ABM and Theory (From Cases to General Principles), Hannover, July 2019 This reports on work where we started with a complex, but evidence driven model, and then modelled that model sto understand and abstract from it. As reported in the paper: Lafuerza LF, Dyson L, Edmonds B, McKane AJ (2016) Staged Models for Interdisciplinary Research. PLoS ONE, 11(6): e0157261. DOI:10.1371/journal.pone.0157261