This document discusses the realities of providing science advice to governments. It notes that while governments are more likely to make better decisions using evidence, science alone does not determine policy as many values and political considerations also factor in. Effective science advice requires an ecosystem that combines skills in brokering, trust and diplomacy. The positioning of science in a post-trust world is changing, particularly as politics has also become post-expert. An effective advisory system is needed to navigate this complex landscape and ensure robust science is properly used, not misused or ignored in policymaking.