[sil.] 00:10fL FILMAKERS LIBRARY. 00:15[sil.] 00:30It's a DIFFERENT world 00:35SCOTT TURNER Hi, this is  Scott . 00:40Scott Turner Age 12 00:45STEPHEN TURNER Age 10 I'm  Sam , I'm… but they certainly do, because  Sam I'm is crazy. 00:55[sil.] 01:00KATIE Turner Age 10 01:05[sil.] 01:10All three  Turner kids are Autistic 01:15SCOTT TURNER Sorry about that interruption folks and now back to the show. 01:20[sil.] 01:25It's a DIFFERENT World 01:30MARY TURNER "Mother" I think everybody has a dream of what their child is going to be in and you know that they're going to be like them and they're going to do the things that you never got to do or give them the opportunities you never had and I think its very hard to look at your child and realize that they are not going to …to meet the expectations that you are hoping. There was a poem called Welcome to  Holland which is a very good poem for people who or for parents of kids with special needs and it talks about preparing your life for your trip to Italy and everybody is going to  Italy and they're all you know getting their money ready to go to  Italy and they are reading their travel brochures for going to  Italy and then suddenly get on the plane and the steward announces that you're going to  Holland and  Holland is a beautiful place, but it's not  Italy and you were prepared to go to Italy . So the, you know saying that you have a special need child doesn't mean it's a horrible life, it's just a different life and it was one that you had not prepared for and you hadn't been preparing for… for your entire life. 02:352005 02:40SUSAN GUIGEN Therapist I'm  Susan Guigen , I've been working with  Katie for about two years but I've been in this house for five years. I started out as a volunteer because Mary had three kids and all three of them were autistic. So she needed a lot more help. Look that way.  Any cars?. 03:00KATIE TURNER Yes. SUSAN GUIGEN Where?… Where is there a car? Look again. Any more cars? 03:10KATIE TURNER Where? SUSAN GUIGEN Where? No more cars. Look. KATIE TURNER No more car. 03:15SUSAN GUIGEN I worked with just the boys, to say weren't in school full time yet and  Katie would just kind of flutter around the room. She had no concept I was here, no concept anybody was here. She would just be on her little world, flap her hands and a real big breakthrough was the one day I was playing with the kids and we are running around and she ran with us and I thought, okay, now, she knows I am here ah… she knew, no vocabulary at all, the first couple of years I was here. That has grown in leaps and bounce in the last, especially the last six months in last year. She is now able to say something hurts, I want something, I don't want something. 'No' is definitely in her vocabulary. So it makes a lot more fun. I guess maybe some of the… the harder points would be getting her to try something that she has never tried before. She doesn't want to do what I've asked her to do, but she can't  tell me wh.

1. [sil.]
00:10fL FILMAKERS LIBRARY.
00:15[sil.]
00:30It's a DIFFERENT world
00:35SCOTT TURNER Hi, this is Scott .
00:40Scott Turner Age 12
00:45STEPHEN TURNER Age 10 I'm Sam , I'm… but they
certainly do, because Sam I'm is crazy.
00:55[sil.]
01:00KATIE Turner Age 10
01:05[sil.]
01:10All three Turner kids are Autistic
01:15SCOTT TURNER Sorry about that interruption folks and
now back to the show.
01:20[sil.]
01:25It's a DIFFERENT World
01:30MARY TURNER "Mother" I think everybody has a dream
of what their child is going to be in and you know that they're
going to be like them and they're going to do the things that you
never got to do or give them the opportunities you never had
and I think its very hard to look at your child and realize that
they are not going to …to meet the expectations that you are
hoping. There was a poem called Welcome to Holland which is
a very good poem for people who or for parents of kids
with special needs and it talks about preparing your life for
your trip to Italy and everybody is going to Italy and they're
all you know getting their money ready to go to Italy and they
are reading their travel brochures for going to Italy and then
suddenly get on the plane and the steward announces that you're
going to Holland and Holland is a beautiful place, but it's
not Italy and you were prepared to go to Italy . So the, you
know saying that you have a special need child doesn't mean it's
a horrible life, it's just a different life and it was one that you
had not prepared for and you hadn't been preparing for… for

2. your entire life.
02:352005
02:40SUSAN GUIGEN Therapist I'm Susan Guigen , I've been
working with Katie for about two years but I've been in this
house for five years. I started out as a volunteer
because Mary had three kids and all three of them were autistic.
So she needed a lot more help. Look that way. Any cars?.
03:00KATIE TURNER Yes.
SUSAN GUIGEN Where?… Where is there a car? Look again.
Any more cars?
03:10KATIE TURNER Where?
SUSAN GUIGEN Where? No more cars. Look.
KATIE TURNER No more car.
03:15SUSAN GUIGEN I worked with just the boys, to say
weren't in school full time yet and Katie would just kind of
flutter around the room. She had no concept I was here, no
concept anybody was here. She would just be on her little
world, flap her hands and a real big breakthrough was the one
day I was playing with the kids and we are running around and
she ran with us and I thought, okay, now, she knows I am here
ah… she knew, no vocabulary at all, the first couple of years I
was here. That has grown in leaps and bounce in the last,
especially the last six months in last year. She is now able to
say something hurts, I want something, I don't want
something. 'No' is definitely in her vocabulary. So it makes a lot
more fun. I guess maybe some of the… the harder points would
be getting her to try something that she has never tried before.
She doesn't want to do what I've asked her to do, but she
can't tell me why? and she can't tell me what she would rather
do. So she is frustrated and she doesn't know how to
communicate that to me other than to say no and scream. You're
doing a good job Katie . Keep brushing now more brushing
that's it.
04:35MARY TURNER Communicating with Katie has been a
long process of learning for both us. You know we've most
of Katie's needs are the here and the now, I want this, I want

3. that and so she began to just by either dragging us to the object
or dragging the object to us, that's often how kids with autism
communicate. So you know we try to intervene with a… a
picture exchange system where you know we taught her when
she was dragging that object to us to you know slide this picture
into her hand and get her to exchange the picture and then
increasing her sort of library of pictures, we were able to get
her to request things that may not be immediately in her field of
view and that… that increased her communication significantly.
05:252007
05:30[sil.]
05:35KATIE TURNER I want X
ANDREW TURNER "Father" I know… I know you want… you
want me to close it for numbering sweetie, Okay.
05:40KATIE TURNER All done.
ANDREW TURNER Yes, that's turn, my turn.
05:45KATIE TURNER When is it my turn?.
ANDREW TURNER It's your turn soon, okay probably at 1:30
at your time. Is that okay?
05:55MARY TURNER That's an amazing how quickly she picks
up on certain technology like the computer and like this camera.
06:00In 2007 all 3 kids were given general commands in
document their own lives
06:05MARY TURNER She has learned the connection
between person that recorded by these and that's producing the
results that she wanted at first. We got a lot of pictures of the
close up of her fingers, because she would have the fingers of
the lengths. But after a few tries you know we showed her and
she was able to pick up on rather quickly. She has made some
really remarkable gain from the last year communication and
this is well grow who had no communication whatsoever until
the age of five and then it's been a very slow, slow since
then. But in the last year we found a new therapist who has
worked with Katie , who is really teaching some functional
language and it made her dependent on verbal propitious.
06:55SUSAN GUIEGEN Okay, be a frog. And be a cat. And be

4. a dog. And rooster.
07:15MARY TURNER Stephen is very different
than Katie . He is what they consider high functioning, he is
very verbal, he is able to express his needs and wants. He
doesn't have the same kind of obsessive compulsive
behaviors, he doesn't seem to need to fulfill any… anything like
that. So on first blush with both my boys they are really isn't a
any kind of indication that there is anything wrong.
07:402005
07:45STEPHEN TURNER Scott you're not even… you're not
even into the game, if you're not going to play, I'm going to put
this away. Katie is different than both of us because she has
very few calm moments.
07:55MARK TURNER Yeah.
STEPHEN TURNER She has a big… she has a tantrum. Most
of the time she has a big tantrum after a bus comes.
08:05[sil.]
08:10SCOTT TURNER The teachers need to learn that she is
just not the sweetest girl in the class. The teachers need to learn
that. Because or else once she started feeling the temper tantrum
they punish her.
08:25[sil.]
08:30MARK TURNER Do you have autism?
08:35SCOTT TURNER Yes.
STEPHEN TURNER We all.
SCOTT TURNER It's a special form.
STEPHEN TURNER Every kid in the family does.
08:40MARK TURNER Yeah, tell me about your special form.
Asperger's Syndrome (AS), is a pervasive developmental
disorder commonly referred to as a form of "high-functioning"
autism
SCOTT TURNER Asperger's Syndrome is kind of like autism,
but you know what? It's not… it's not completely, because first
thing you can talk, you can walk at your earlier age and you
can do anything and it feels so cloak as you can actually fit in
with the rest of the kids without really being noticed. Because

5. you like how autism as severe as Katie's , what in telling in
grade one and then it improves in grade two usually. Well,
that's what happened with me, I don't know about everyone else.
09:20STEPHEN TURNER But for me it was early. I am, I only
hazed sever in GK, but then I got better attitude and
escape when I was about six or something and then that was
okay dokie, Okie Dokie. Autism is like a little power, it is like a
little power and I said these fall, fall of you got better
erratic(ph), but once has no more leaves you're getting, you…
you're like a normal kid again or when, but sometimes it takes
longer time and the leaves don't fall as quickly.
10:00MARY TURNER You might just think there is something
odd or different, but you may realize that the conversation is
pretty much monopolized by what their interests are. They have
a hard time shifting focus you know to another conversation.
They don't know when conversations particularly end when
people lose interest in the topic.
10:25STEPHEN TURNER Scott I'm done like a due shape. Try
to guess what that this.
10:30SCOTT TURNER Emofs(ph).
STEPHEN TURNER Nope.
10:35SCOTT TURNER Headphones.
STEPHEN TURNER Yep.
MARK TURNER What else do you like, what else you do at
school?
10:40SCOTT TURNER Oh, yeah. I get a Kudu token.
10:45STEPHEN TURNER But I have to pull one on.
MARK TURNER Scott ?
MARY TURNER They also don't solicit a lot of information
from someone else. They are more than happy to talk about their
subjects but they may not say, so how was you're day? Did you
have a good day today? And what did you do today? And
what's… what's your favorite subject in school? Their
peers tend to lose interest and they may drift away you know,
they won't look to somebody else who is more responsive to
what they want.

6. 11:15MARK TURNER Would you rather not be autistic?
STEPHEN TURNER Yep.
MARK TURNER Yeah, how come?
11:20STEPHEN TURNER Because excite to have more
opportunities.
11:25MARK TURNER To do what?
STEPHEN TURNER To do anything.
11:30MARK TURNER Yeah.
STEPHEN TURNER But it's great because I didn't get a
cubage about the disability or board and you need to meet, you
need to meet… have disabilities. I have disabilities, but its also
fun being autistic, because you can… because you can also
like but you can also… they could do anything that normal
kids can't do.
12:05MARK TURNER Like what?
STEPHEN TURNER I have no examples at this time.
12:10[sil.]
2007
12:15MARK TURNER So do you remember you've been trying
and explain it to me and to somebody who doesn't know what
autism is? Your going to explain what it was like to be autistic?
12:25STEPHEN TURNER I wouldn't really do that
MARY TURNER No.
12:30No
MARY TURNER How come?
STEPHEN TURNER Just not me.
12:35MARY TURNER Are you autistic?
STEPHEN TURNER It's just I don't know… I don't know
what… what it is and how to explain it.
MARY TURNER How would you explain to one of your friends
at school?
12:45STEPHEN TURNER I wouldn't
MARY TURNER No.
12:50STEPHEN TURNER No
MARY TURNER What about somebody who didn't know you?
12:55STEPHEN TURNER I wouldn't even say hello

7. MARY TURNER Really?
STEPHEN TURNER Really
13:00MARY TURNER Do you think there are things about
that… that are good though that make you different and special
in a good way?
13:05STEPHEN TURNER No
MARY TURNER No…
13:10Stephen cam
13:15[sil.]
13:30STEPHEN TURNER Game 1. It's an easy game. Want an
expert game. Here it is.
13:35MARY TURNER What if they ask you about your sister?
13:40STEPHEN TURNER I would say she's special.
MARY TURNER Yeah.
13:45STEPHEN TURNER She has a disability.
MARY TURNER Would you explain what it is? Would you tell
them what she has trouble with and somewhat she likes, what
she doesn't like?
13:55STEPHEN TURNER Not really
SCOTT TURNER I don't think that Stephen would do it. I'm
not Stephen but I'm just saying that he wouldn't really tell you
that unless some, you are one of his good friends or someone
who understands.
14:10MARY TURNER You also like talking about it?
14:15SCOTT TURNER No. I don't like to talk about it at all.
MARY TURNER So once you start feeling upset it's really hard
to get away from that upset feeling?
14:25STEPHEN TURNER You could say that again except it's
very hard. The bad things are more than 60% more often in my
head than good things
14:35MARY TURNER 60% more often?
14:40STEPHEN TURNER More than…no… about… probably
more than
14:45MARY TURNER More than 60% bad… bad thoughts in
your head at all times.
14:50STEPHEN TURNER mm-hmm

8. MARY TURNER See you have to try extra hard to get the good
stuff to come to the surface?
14:55STEPHEN TURNER The surface is where I keep the junks
stuff
MARY TURNER The junk stuff?
15:00STEPHEN TURNER The bottom is where I keep all the
useful things
15:05MARY TURNER The bottom of…
STEPHEN TURNER My brain
MARY TURNER The bottom of your brain is where you keep
the useful things?
STEPHEN TURNER Yeah.
15:10STEPHEN TURNER Because that's where it travels to
everywhere else …else in the body
15:15MARY TURNER Oh, I see and so the junks that's floats at
the top, it doesn't get to the rest of your body?
15:20STEPHEN TURNER Yeah.
SCOTT TURNER Like if somebody gets mad, about
what Katie does and, I know that she does do on purpose, I do…
I give some that knowledge to defend her and hope that here she
is an understating person.
15:35MARY TURNER My eldest was actually diagnosed after
the twins. Katie was the most severe out of the three, so I
noticed most of the developmental delays in her first and I was
actually going through the sort of process of testing and
diagnosis when Scott was in during Kindergarten. Scott at
school was exhibiting some Echolalic behaviors they call
it where they are repeating phrases or words either immediately
or delayed after the fact and some you know running around in
circles and… basically repetitive movements.
16:20SCOTT TURNER If there was two things about me I could
change. First thing if I was not autistic and I was just normal, I
would… I would be and if I was not afraid of roller coasters,
those were the two things I would change about myself.
16:40Scott cam.
SCOTT TURNER Yes I'm having a flying adventure in my

9. brain. Do you see it?
16:45SCOTT TURNER Oh yeah, oh yeah, recording me,
recording me, oh yeah. Whenever I score a goal in soccer, I'll
never regret it instant, you know because of how much noise
they make and right at tournament too.
17:05MARY TURNER Okay, so you're mid play, you've got the
ball, people start cheering, and you turn and run away.
17:10SCOTT TURNER Yeah.
MARY TURNER Because it's a cheering that's freaking you out.
17:15SCOTT TURNER Yeah.
MARY TURNER So then they are like what the heck is he
doing, he's running away from the ball when he had or break
away. Do you know why, how the other players are feeling
when you high tailored away from the ball? How do you think
their feeling?
17:30SCOTT TURNER Highly annoyed.
MARY TURNER Right. So you understand what their feeling?
17:35SCOTT TURNER Yeah. Except that's it's just so
overwhelming at the moment, it is just an almost instinctual
reaction. It's a pretty bad combination and of course even Mrs.
Rogers says guy you can do better than that.
17:50MARY TURNER So bring your support workers at the
school have a hard time understanding your actions.
17:55SCOTT TURNER Yeah. Alright.
18:00SCOTT TURNER I give up on this… thing about
understanding other people's emotions
18:05MARY TURNER You give up, because it's getting too
complicated.
18:10SCOTT TURNER It's a way too hard.
MARY TURNER Okay. We can let that go.
18:15SCOTT TURNER All I can manage is my own emotions.
They're hard enough.
18:20Stephen cam
18:25[sil.]
18:30MARY TURNER They're very bright boys. They love to
read and with the amount of reading they do they accumulate a

10. vast knowledge of facts and they love to share their facts, which
is very fascinating to an adult.
18:45SCOTT TURNER Where Indies for endurance, InScript
was in ancient language and then there was Indo-European and
then there was hooga booga.
18:55MARY TURNER There is what?
SCOTT TURNER Even before Indo-European, there was hooga
booga.
19:05STEPHEN TURNER Did you know that some… that
somebody suffered from you know. Wyoming , suffered from,
it's a base ball. Longest time anyone one has, who lasted
for… 25 hours 60 years that's approximately 400
bathroom… because he get, it is the largest hiccup ever heard.
19:30Scott cam
SCOTT TURNER Man this is such good data… hmm
19:40MARK TURNER It's hard to make eye contact with
somebody you don't like?
SCOTT TURNER Yeah or somebody I don't…
19:45MARK TURNER Or Somebody you don't know you have
to lie with?
SCOTT TURNER Yes, it's quite… yeah it's almost like mental
noise. It's just as if setting as noise.
19:55MARK TURNER Interesting.
SCOTT TURNER And it's a… and it makes me just feel like
hearty when they don't do there.
20:00MARY TURNER Friendships for them are, it take a lot of
work. They have to be very cognizant of the fact that they need
to make it a reciprocal conversation or interaction. A lot of
those kind of skills need to be taught.
20:20Stephen cam
20:20SCOTT TURNER That's why… that's why our joy having
my brother and sister around more than other kids. I can relate
to them better than if so it anyone else.
20:35MARK TURNER So what… it's an advantage to you to
have brother and sister who understand your disabilities and

11. that…
20:40SCOTT TURNER Yeah, especially since they have the
disability themselves and they are familiar. Here Stephenthe
piano star and me watching from my perspective on the
same. Terrible job, terrible, terrible job. How is that piano
working out? I think that Katie is interested. May I just think
that she wants it? Even though I may look like a cheery smile
on my face it may be a convincing fake. I'm not a… I'm not
always the cheery happy boy that everyone think so I am and of
course I often feel sick whenever, as sometimes when I
feel… when I feel emotion… when I feel emotion is pressing
down negatively on me. Tummy ache, headache, sore
throat anything can be triggered. It's almost as if my emotions
trigger, my mental as if my mental state is connected with my
physical state.
22:00MARK TURNER That's very great.
SCOTT TURNER I think it's making me sick. My good thoughts
really are words in you.
22:05MARK TURNER So what would your good thoughts be?
SCOTT TURNER Like a picture, Sometimes I see them as
picture, sometimes as I see them as movies and once actress on
advertisement, when that advertising jingle that I watched on
TV a lot recently.
22:30MARK TURNER That's something that you thought it was
amusing or?
SCOTT TURNER Yes.
MARK TURNER Made you happy that's when you can run that
through your mind and change how you feel?
22:35SCOTT TURNER Yeah. Hey dad what you're putting in
for dinner?
22:45ANDREW TURNER For you nothing.
SCOTT TURNER What? No really I feel like. What? Fine that
a lot of people that hear the words Asperger's Syndrome either
worry about, the parents worry about whether its contagious and
made the thoughts often spring up. I never really let socializing
with other kids. All I did was… I'm much preferred to just hang

12. in a corner. I meet myself with Metoma(ph) like maybe trying
to figure out how many, like I'm trying to figure out, look I'm
trying to figure out a problem, like I'm trying to figure out a
problem that ends up with four and gives us all for
it. Operations, each only once, I try the craziest mental
mappings and it keeps me amused. The other kids would, the
other kids the only way to keep them amused is plunk a video
game controller on top of their lap, when I'm alone, nobody
tries to talk to me that a peaceful life that's what I… that’s how
I, that's exactly what I would prefer.
24:15ANDREW TURNER Three and four is coming around.
Right.
24:20[sil.]
24:25SCOTT TURNER It's related to the film.
MARK TURNER I'm so excited about seeing Mike on Friday,
you talked about it every night this week and mum when you're
going to get these cakes, Mike wants to teach me how to skate. I
can't wait to go skating with Mike , you were just absolutely
presidios of Friday night with excitement about going skating
with Mike so to say you'd rather spend time at home.
24:45SCOTT TURNER I think that a little bit of coming out
of… coming out of "my brow" would be a great. Ever since I
became friends with Mike , I think I've learned a lot about the
other side of life. I mean, a new typical life.
25:00ANDREW TURNER What was that thing you said earlier
about videogames, that the normal kids just play videogames all
the times and is that because you never play video games.
25:10SCOTT TURNER No.
25:15ANDREW TURNER What you're actually doing is
propagating the material.
25:20MARY TURNER So if somebody was watching that
videogame and they call "Oh this poor boy all he wants to do is
be alone."
25:25ANDREW TURNER And be love to alone.
MARY TURNER And they don't realize that you will love to
spend time with Mike and you love to spend time with your

13. brother and you want to go to a water park and be around, let's
we go(ph) water park.
25:35ANDREW TURNER And you are not going to rafter
skiing and you love to in all sorts of things where there are lots
of people and…
25:40SCOTT TURNER Yeah just as long as it doesn't involve
but social interaction, its free.
25:45MARY TURNER What do you think playing
with Mikethen, is there social interaction.
25:50SCOTT TURNER No it's mindless, no it's mindless
stuff. We love to give mindless stuff.
25:55ANDREW TURNER There are still some social…
MARY TURNER You need somebody else, its social. Do… do
you thing you remember the negatives a lot more than the
positive Scott ?
26:05SCOTT TURNER Yeah!
Just you… you have to try and remember the positives as well.
26:10MARK TURNER It was like the other day remember
coming home and I said how was your day at school? And you
said, "It is horrible" and I said that you have any good thing
that happened to you today? You said no, not one good thing,
you know then I just reminded you that I think you somewhat
special and lunch you had, Oh yeah, excellent for lunch I had a
good lunch.
26:30SCOTT TURNER I think that may be I should write a
diary with its positive page and then one negative page and then
one positive page and then one negative page
26:40MARY TURNER My kids have taught me patience,
understanding, acceptance. They've also taught me to see every
little thing and realize that every small accomplishment is a
huge accomplishment. It… it… it they've taught me not to take
things for granted and it made those little firsts in life that much
sweeter.
27:10Katie cam
27:15[sil.]