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Manypedia: Comparing
Language Points of View
of Wikipedia Communities
                Paolo Massa
   Bruno Kessler Foundation - Trento, Italy
           http://www.gnuband.org
      (joint work with Federico Scrinzi)

WikiSym, 8th International Symposium on Wikis and
 Open Collaboration, 29 August 2013, Linz, Austria
Do editors on Arabic Wikipedia and
editors on Hebrew Wikipedia write
the same history of “Gaza war”?
53% of American Internet users look for
information on Wikipedia as of May 2010 (36% in
February 2007) [21]
88% of 2,318 university students use Wikipedia
during a course–related research process, even
if an instructor advised against it [11]
Wikipedia is the sixth most visited site of the
entire web [1]

     Wikipedia used by many for getting “THE TRUTH”

[21] Pew Research Center. 2011. Wikipedia, past and present. A snapshot of current Wikipedia users.. Jan 13, 2011. Retrieved on
August 4, 2011, from http://www.pewinternet.org/Reports/2011/Wikipedia.aspx

[11] Head A. J. and Eisenberg M. B. 2010. How today’s college students use Wikipedia for course–related research. First Monday,
Volume 15, Number 3. 1 March 2010.

[1] Alexa ranking. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wikipedia.org Retrieved on April 4, 2012.
Who are Wikipedians?
The Wikipedia project suffers from systemic bias that
naturally grows from its contributors' demographic
groups, manifesting an imbalanced coverage of a
subject, thereby discriminating against the less
represented demographic groups.
The average Wikipedian on the English Wikipedia is a
male, technically inclined, formally educated, an English
speaker (native or non-native), European–descent, aged
15–49, from a majority-Christian country, from a
developed nation, from the Northern Hemisphere, and
likely employed as a white-collar worker or enrolled as a
student rather than employed as a labourer.
        → a certain VISION of the world
Neutrality as WP founding myth [23]
 from Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ
 “Editors must write articles from a Neutral Point Of View (NPOV),
 representing all significant views fairly, proportionately, and without bias.”
 The neutral point of view policy “says nothing about objectivity” and “in
 particular, the policy does not say that there is such a thing as objectivity in
 a philosophical sense—a "view from nowhere" [18], such that articles
 written from that viewpoint are consequently objectively true.” (...)
 “Rather, to be neutral is to describe debates rather than engage in them. In
 other words, when discussing a subject, we should report what people
 have said about it rather than what is so.” (...)
 “is it possible to characterize disputes fairly? This is an empirical issue, not
 a philosophical one: can we edit articles so that all the major participants
 will be able to look at the resulting text, and agree that their views are
 presented accurately and as completely as the context permits? It may not
 be possible to describe all disputes with perfect objectivity, but it is an aim
 that thousands of editors strive towards every day”
[23] Roy Rosenzweig. Can History Be Open Source? Wikipedia and the Future of the Past”
Neutrality is hard
 Writing “without bias” is “difficult” since “all
 articles are edited by people” and “people are
 inherently biased” [23]
 “Most frequent debate topic on discussion
 pages is whether the article adheres to the
 NPOV” and the “Armenian genocide” page is
 one example of the fact “those debates can go
 on at mind-numbing length, such as literally
 hundreds of pages” [23]


[23] Roy Rosenzweig. Can History Be Open Source? Wikipedia and the Future of the Past”
Representing Points of View
“Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the
mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints that
have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the
prominence of each viewpoint” (“Wikipedia:NPOV”).
Each article should “accurately indicate the relative
prominence of opposing views. Ensure that the reporting of
different views on a subject adequately reflects the relative
levels of support for those views, and that it does not give a
false impression of parity, or give undue weight to a particular
view. For example, to state that “<According to Simon
Wiesenthal, the Holocaust was a program of extermination of
the Jewish people in Germany, but David Irving disputes this
analysis> would be to give apparent parity between the
supermajority view and a tiny minority view by assigning
each to a single activist in the field”.
It's an issue of perspective.




What you see (and write)
depends on the your point of
view.
At least on Wikipedia, it is not
“implicit” but it is “explicit”.
And on WP you are often “invited”
to express and reason about your
POV.
Manypedia: Comparing  Language Points of View  of Wikipedia Communities
Writing different histories?
“a Nazi and a non-Nazi version of the
present war would have no resemblance
to one another, and which of them finally
gets into the history books will be
decided not by evidential methods but on
the battlefield” [20]
History is written by the winners
[20] Orwell G. 1943. As I Please. Tribune. GB, London.
History is written by the winners.
History is written by Wikipedians.
“What gets into the history books will
be decided on Wikipedia through
negotiations of different points of
view” [0]

[0] Paolo Massa, now
When Wikipedia does not conform to the
 “official” government POV … censor!
or adapt it to the “official”
    government POV
or create your own WP!
ecured.cu = Cuban government Wiki!
or create your own WP!
     ecured.cu = Cuban government Wiki!




Built from a decolonizer point of view [3]
[3] BBC. 2010. Cuba launches online encyclopaedia similar to Wikipedia. 14 December 2010.
or create your own WP!
     ecured.cu = Cuban government Wiki!
                                            Page “United States”:
                                            “empire of our time, which has
                                            historically taken by force territory
                                            and natural resources from other
                                            nations, to put at the service of its
                                            businesses and monopolies” (...)
                                            “It consumes 25% of the energy
                                            produced on the planet and in spite
                                            of its wealth, more than a third of its
                                            population does not have assured
                                            medical attention”
Built from a decolonizer point of view [3]
[3] BBC. 2010. Cuba launches online encyclopaedia similar to Wikipedia. 14 December 2010.
Conservapedia (www.conservapedia.com)
Manypedia: Comparing  Language Points of View  of Wikipedia Communities
Manypedia: Comparing  Language Points of View  of Wikipedia Communities
eng.anarchopedia.org (?POV)
communpedia.wikia.com (CPOV)
atheism.wikia.com (APOV)
vegan.wikia.com (VPOV)
www.rationalwiki.org (SPOV)
uncyclopedia.wikia.com (?!?!POV)
Manypedia: Comparing  Language Points of View  of Wikipedia Communities
What is acceptable in the community
depends on the POV the community
adopts.


   Wikipedia adopted the

  Neutral POV
“those who create Wikipedia's
articles and debate their contents are
involved in an astonishingly intense
and widespread process of
democratic self-education” [23]




[23] Roy Rosenzweig. Can History Be Open Source? Wikipedia and the Future of the Past”
Wikipedians strive to achieve neutrality
  by discussing/negotiating INSIDE the
  English Wikipedia, INSIDE the French
  Wikipedia, …
  What about ACROSS wikipedias?
  Mediawiki platform does not encourage
  across language Wikipedias discussions!


                 Is there a
Linguistic Point Of View (LPOV)?
Language     Articles     Edits          Users         Active
English       3,912,105    526,077,676    16,551,900 138,763
German
French
              1,385,907
              1,232,680
                           106,360,859
                            82,236,250
                                           1,403,006
                                           1,255,780
                                                        22,218
                                                        16,471
                                                                    285
Dutch         1,035,566     30,563,443      447,929      4,724   language
                                                                  editions
Italian        906,636      52,569,842      734,348      8,061
Polish         889,056      30,490,485      482,397      5,126
Spanish
Russian
               880,350
               840,061
                            58,577,562
                            45,884,948
                                           2,171,257
                                            824,528
                                                        14,931
                                                        12,638
                                                                     of
Japanese
Portuguese
               799,975
               718,501
                            42,776,541
                            30,249,021
                                            609,565
                                            982,460
                                                        11,971
                                                         5,347
                                                                 Wikipedia
Swedish        452,121      17,015,139      267,277      3,149
Chinese        434,117      20,427,481     1,176,713     6,569
Vietnamese     395,102       6,565,432      275,115      1,195
Ukrainian      377,111       9,371,511      129,879      2,075
Catalan        369,852       9,431,935      110,711      1,427
Norwegian      333,538      10,858,373      229,329      2,169
Finnish        293,424      12,009,060      200,609      1,947
Czech          226,545       8,544,830      180,433      2,201
Hungarian      213,940      11,946,177      195,196      1,996
Korean         194,252       9,694,187      182,338      1,938
Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ
“Wikipedia seems to have an Anglo-American focus. Is
this contrary to the neutral point of view? Yes, it is,
especially when dealing with articles that require an
international perspective. The presence of articles written
from a United States or European Anglophone perspective
is simply a reflection of the fact that there are many U.S.
and European Anglophone people working on the project.
This is an ongoing problem that should be corrected by
active collaboration between Anglo-Americans and people
from other countries. But rather than introducing their own
cultural bias, they should seek to improve articles by
removing any examples of cultural bias that they
encounter, or making readers aware of them.” And then
“this is not only a problem in the English Wikipedia. The
French Language Wikipedia may reflect a French bias,
the Japanese Wikipedia may reflect a Japanese bias,
and so on.”
Wikipedia:Describing points of view
“English language Wikipedia articles should be
written for an international audience”.
Each language Wikipedia exhibits a self-
     focus bias towards articles about regions
     where that language is largely spoken [12]
     74% of concepts are described in only one
     language and only 0.12% are described in all
     the 25 investigated language Wikipedias [13]



[12] Hecht, B., & Gergle, D. 2009. Measuring Self-Focus Bias in Community-Maintained Knowledge Repositories.
Proceedings of Communities and Technologies 2009 (C&T 2009), pp. 11-20. New York: ACM Press.

[13] Hecht, B., & Gergle, D. 2010. The Tower of Babel Meets Web 2.0: User-Generated Content and its Applications in a
Multilingual Context. ACM Conference on Human Factors in Computing Systems (CHI 2010). New York: ACM Press.
We call this phenomenon “Linguistic Point of
View” (LPOV). The presence of diverse points
of view on different language editions of
Wikipedia would disprove the “global
consensus hypothesis” which posits that “two
articles about the same concept in two
different languages will describe that concept
roughly identically” [13].
Is there a Linguistic Point Of
        View (LPOV)?
Enter Manypedia
www.manypedia.com
Enter Manypedia


Search for any page from any language
Wikipedia and compare the same page on any
other language Wikipedia
(56 languages - Google translate)




            www.manypedia.com
Enter Manypedia
A web tool for comparing Linguistic Points of
View (LPOV) of Wikipedia communities.




(56 languages - Google translate)
www.manypedia.com
Open Source

www.manypedia.com
Few (interesting) Manypedia comparisons
Manypedia: Comparing  Language Points of View  of Wikipedia Communities
Manypedia: Comparing  Language Points of View  of Wikipedia Communities
The vast majority of
Americans believe that
the United States is a
free country
   U.S. double standards
   on human rights, is a
   derivative of
   hypocritical foreign
   policy
Manypedia: Comparing  Language Points of View  of Wikipedia Communities
In Vietnam, books used the
name “Resistance against
American” for the war [10]
(…)
Some [11] felt the name
“struggle against the U.S.”
is not neutral (because it
was also a Vietnamese civil
war); [11] while others will
argue that the name of the
Vietnam War shows (the
view) of the West (rather)
that of people living in
Vietnam.
Greek Wikipedia:
Turkish Wikipedia:          Northern Cyprus “is under
Northern Cyprus “is an      Turkish occupation since
independent state”          1974 in violation of
                            international legal norms”




  English Wikipedia:
  Northern Cyprus “is a contested territory between
      Northern Cyprus is de facto independent state
  (...). Tensions between the Greek Cypriot and Turkish
                    Turkey and Greece
  Cypriot populations culminated in 1974 with a coup
  d'état, an attempt to annex the island to Greece and
  a military invasion by Turkey in response. (…)
  Northern Cyprus has received diplomatic
  recognition only from Turkey.”
Portal:current events




         Hundreds of pages related to
        Israeli-Palestine conflict
           Arabic WP vs Hebrew WP
Simply inconsistencies
Differences in what is acceptable to look at … (sex-related)
Future work: case study for
empirically validating how
widespread LPOV is and how people
use Manypedia.
Summary
Mediawiki socio-technical system does
not encourage negotation of POVs
ACROSS different language Wikipedias.
Manypedia can be used for checking
other language communities POV.
Manypedia: Comparing  Language Points of View  of Wikipedia Communities
Is it possible to write from an internationally neutral POV?
                        Is it desirable?




Globalized knowledge, lose           Fragmentation of world
specificities and traditions of    society in language specific
        local cultures                     communities
  (tyranny of the majority)                (echo chambers)
   ONE Globalized POV                 MANY Localized POV
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    Paolo Massa
    Bruno Kessler Foundation - Trento, Italy
    http://www.gnuband.org
    (joint work with Federico Scrinzi)



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Manypedia: Comparing Language Points of View of Wikipedia Communities

  • 1. Manypedia: Comparing Language Points of View of Wikipedia Communities Paolo Massa Bruno Kessler Foundation - Trento, Italy http://www.gnuband.org (joint work with Federico Scrinzi) WikiSym, 8th International Symposium on Wikis and Open Collaboration, 29 August 2013, Linz, Austria
  • 2. Do editors on Arabic Wikipedia and editors on Hebrew Wikipedia write the same history of “Gaza war”?
  • 3. 53% of American Internet users look for information on Wikipedia as of May 2010 (36% in February 2007) [21] 88% of 2,318 university students use Wikipedia during a course–related research process, even if an instructor advised against it [11] Wikipedia is the sixth most visited site of the entire web [1] Wikipedia used by many for getting “THE TRUTH” [21] Pew Research Center. 2011. Wikipedia, past and present. A snapshot of current Wikipedia users.. Jan 13, 2011. Retrieved on August 4, 2011, from http://www.pewinternet.org/Reports/2011/Wikipedia.aspx [11] Head A. J. and Eisenberg M. B. 2010. How today’s college students use Wikipedia for course–related research. First Monday, Volume 15, Number 3. 1 March 2010. [1] Alexa ranking. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wikipedia.org Retrieved on April 4, 2012.
  • 4. Who are Wikipedians? The Wikipedia project suffers from systemic bias that naturally grows from its contributors' demographic groups, manifesting an imbalanced coverage of a subject, thereby discriminating against the less represented demographic groups. The average Wikipedian on the English Wikipedia is a male, technically inclined, formally educated, an English speaker (native or non-native), European–descent, aged 15–49, from a majority-Christian country, from a developed nation, from the Northern Hemisphere, and likely employed as a white-collar worker or enrolled as a student rather than employed as a labourer. → a certain VISION of the world
  • 5. Neutrality as WP founding myth [23] from Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ “Editors must write articles from a Neutral Point Of View (NPOV), representing all significant views fairly, proportionately, and without bias.” The neutral point of view policy “says nothing about objectivity” and “in particular, the policy does not say that there is such a thing as objectivity in a philosophical sense—a "view from nowhere" [18], such that articles written from that viewpoint are consequently objectively true.” (...) “Rather, to be neutral is to describe debates rather than engage in them. In other words, when discussing a subject, we should report what people have said about it rather than what is so.” (...) “is it possible to characterize disputes fairly? This is an empirical issue, not a philosophical one: can we edit articles so that all the major participants will be able to look at the resulting text, and agree that their views are presented accurately and as completely as the context permits? It may not be possible to describe all disputes with perfect objectivity, but it is an aim that thousands of editors strive towards every day” [23] Roy Rosenzweig. Can History Be Open Source? Wikipedia and the Future of the Past”
  • 6. Neutrality is hard Writing “without bias” is “difficult” since “all articles are edited by people” and “people are inherently biased” [23] “Most frequent debate topic on discussion pages is whether the article adheres to the NPOV” and the “Armenian genocide” page is one example of the fact “those debates can go on at mind-numbing length, such as literally hundreds of pages” [23] [23] Roy Rosenzweig. Can History Be Open Source? Wikipedia and the Future of the Past”
  • 7. Representing Points of View “Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint” (“Wikipedia:NPOV”). Each article should “accurately indicate the relative prominence of opposing views. Ensure that the reporting of different views on a subject adequately reflects the relative levels of support for those views, and that it does not give a false impression of parity, or give undue weight to a particular view. For example, to state that “<According to Simon Wiesenthal, the Holocaust was a program of extermination of the Jewish people in Germany, but David Irving disputes this analysis> would be to give apparent parity between the supermajority view and a tiny minority view by assigning each to a single activist in the field”.
  • 8. It's an issue of perspective. What you see (and write) depends on the your point of view. At least on Wikipedia, it is not “implicit” but it is “explicit”. And on WP you are often “invited” to express and reason about your POV.
  • 10. Writing different histories? “a Nazi and a non-Nazi version of the present war would have no resemblance to one another, and which of them finally gets into the history books will be decided not by evidential methods but on the battlefield” [20] History is written by the winners [20] Orwell G. 1943. As I Please. Tribune. GB, London.
  • 11. History is written by the winners. History is written by Wikipedians. “What gets into the history books will be decided on Wikipedia through negotiations of different points of view” [0] [0] Paolo Massa, now
  • 12. When Wikipedia does not conform to the “official” government POV … censor!
  • 13. or adapt it to the “official” government POV
  • 14. or create your own WP! ecured.cu = Cuban government Wiki!
  • 15. or create your own WP! ecured.cu = Cuban government Wiki! Built from a decolonizer point of view [3] [3] BBC. 2010. Cuba launches online encyclopaedia similar to Wikipedia. 14 December 2010.
  • 16. or create your own WP! ecured.cu = Cuban government Wiki! Page “United States”: “empire of our time, which has historically taken by force territory and natural resources from other nations, to put at the service of its businesses and monopolies” (...) “It consumes 25% of the energy produced on the planet and in spite of its wealth, more than a third of its population does not have assured medical attention” Built from a decolonizer point of view [3] [3] BBC. 2010. Cuba launches online encyclopaedia similar to Wikipedia. 14 December 2010.
  • 27. What is acceptable in the community depends on the POV the community adopts. Wikipedia adopted the Neutral POV
  • 28. “those who create Wikipedia's articles and debate their contents are involved in an astonishingly intense and widespread process of democratic self-education” [23] [23] Roy Rosenzweig. Can History Be Open Source? Wikipedia and the Future of the Past”
  • 29. Wikipedians strive to achieve neutrality by discussing/negotiating INSIDE the English Wikipedia, INSIDE the French Wikipedia, … What about ACROSS wikipedias? Mediawiki platform does not encourage across language Wikipedias discussions! Is there a Linguistic Point Of View (LPOV)?
  • 30. Language Articles Edits Users Active English 3,912,105 526,077,676 16,551,900 138,763 German French 1,385,907 1,232,680 106,360,859 82,236,250 1,403,006 1,255,780 22,218 16,471 285 Dutch 1,035,566 30,563,443 447,929 4,724 language editions Italian 906,636 52,569,842 734,348 8,061 Polish 889,056 30,490,485 482,397 5,126 Spanish Russian 880,350 840,061 58,577,562 45,884,948 2,171,257 824,528 14,931 12,638 of Japanese Portuguese 799,975 718,501 42,776,541 30,249,021 609,565 982,460 11,971 5,347 Wikipedia Swedish 452,121 17,015,139 267,277 3,149 Chinese 434,117 20,427,481 1,176,713 6,569 Vietnamese 395,102 6,565,432 275,115 1,195 Ukrainian 377,111 9,371,511 129,879 2,075 Catalan 369,852 9,431,935 110,711 1,427 Norwegian 333,538 10,858,373 229,329 2,169 Finnish 293,424 12,009,060 200,609 1,947 Czech 226,545 8,544,830 180,433 2,201 Hungarian 213,940 11,946,177 195,196 1,996 Korean 194,252 9,694,187 182,338 1,938
  • 31. Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/FAQ “Wikipedia seems to have an Anglo-American focus. Is this contrary to the neutral point of view? Yes, it is, especially when dealing with articles that require an international perspective. The presence of articles written from a United States or European Anglophone perspective is simply a reflection of the fact that there are many U.S. and European Anglophone people working on the project. This is an ongoing problem that should be corrected by active collaboration between Anglo-Americans and people from other countries. But rather than introducing their own cultural bias, they should seek to improve articles by removing any examples of cultural bias that they encounter, or making readers aware of them.” And then “this is not only a problem in the English Wikipedia. The French Language Wikipedia may reflect a French bias, the Japanese Wikipedia may reflect a Japanese bias, and so on.”
  • 32. Wikipedia:Describing points of view “English language Wikipedia articles should be written for an international audience”.
  • 33. Each language Wikipedia exhibits a self- focus bias towards articles about regions where that language is largely spoken [12] 74% of concepts are described in only one language and only 0.12% are described in all the 25 investigated language Wikipedias [13] [12] Hecht, B., & Gergle, D. 2009. Measuring Self-Focus Bias in Community-Maintained Knowledge Repositories. Proceedings of Communities and Technologies 2009 (C&T 2009), pp. 11-20. New York: ACM Press. [13] Hecht, B., & Gergle, D. 2010. The Tower of Babel Meets Web 2.0: User-Generated Content and its Applications in a Multilingual Context. ACM Conference on Human Factors in Computing Systems (CHI 2010). New York: ACM Press.
  • 34. We call this phenomenon “Linguistic Point of View” (LPOV). The presence of diverse points of view on different language editions of Wikipedia would disprove the “global consensus hypothesis” which posits that “two articles about the same concept in two different languages will describe that concept roughly identically” [13].
  • 35. Is there a Linguistic Point Of View (LPOV)?
  • 37. Enter Manypedia Search for any page from any language Wikipedia and compare the same page on any other language Wikipedia (56 languages - Google translate) www.manypedia.com
  • 38. Enter Manypedia A web tool for comparing Linguistic Points of View (LPOV) of Wikipedia communities. (56 languages - Google translate)
  • 44. The vast majority of Americans believe that the United States is a free country U.S. double standards on human rights, is a derivative of hypocritical foreign policy
  • 46. In Vietnam, books used the name “Resistance against American” for the war [10] (…) Some [11] felt the name “struggle against the U.S.” is not neutral (because it was also a Vietnamese civil war); [11] while others will argue that the name of the Vietnam War shows (the view) of the West (rather) that of people living in Vietnam.
  • 47. Greek Wikipedia: Turkish Wikipedia: Northern Cyprus “is under Northern Cyprus “is an Turkish occupation since independent state” 1974 in violation of international legal norms” English Wikipedia: Northern Cyprus “is a contested territory between Northern Cyprus is de facto independent state (...). Tensions between the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Turkey and Greece Cypriot populations culminated in 1974 with a coup d'état, an attempt to annex the island to Greece and a military invasion by Turkey in response. (…) Northern Cyprus has received diplomatic recognition only from Turkey.”
  • 48. Portal:current events Hundreds of pages related to Israeli-Palestine conflict Arabic WP vs Hebrew WP
  • 50. Differences in what is acceptable to look at … (sex-related)
  • 51. Future work: case study for empirically validating how widespread LPOV is and how people use Manypedia.
  • 52. Summary Mediawiki socio-technical system does not encourage negotation of POVs ACROSS different language Wikipedias. Manypedia can be used for checking other language communities POV.
  • 54. Is it possible to write from an internationally neutral POV? Is it desirable? Globalized knowledge, lose Fragmentation of world specificities and traditions of society in language specific local cultures communities (tyranny of the majority) (echo chambers) ONE Globalized POV MANY Localized POV
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  • 57. Manypedia: Comparing Language Points Of View (LPOV) of Wikipedia Communities www.manypedia.com Paolo Massa Bruno Kessler Foundation - Trento, Italy http://www.gnuband.org (joint work with Federico Scrinzi) Screenshot!!! Manypedia is awesome Manypedia is very awesome ;-) ;-)