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#NOEstimates
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Who we are?
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https://about.me/mr.dk
Who we are: “Kepler”
● SM of Kepler
● Handsome and Funny
● Single but NOT available
Mr. DK
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Who we are: “Kepler”
● Java developer
● UI Addictive
● Love to have British Accent
Toàn Lư
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Agenda
1. Estimation
2. Agile Estimation & Problems
3. What is #NoEstimate
4. How to #NoEstimates
5. Case Study
6. Q&A
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Estimation
• Expert estimation
based on judgmental processed
• Formal estimation model
based on mechanical processes
• Combination-based estimation
based on judgemental and mechanical combination
3 top level categories of estimation approach
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Estimation
We’re here to talk about Scrum & #NoEstimates?
BUT, BUT, BUT . . .
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Estimation
Estimation approach Category Examples of support of
implementation of estimation
approach
Size-based estimation model Formal estimation model Functional Point Analysis, Use
Case Analysis, SSU (Software
Size Unit), Story points-based
estimation in Agile Software
Development
Group estimation Expert estimation Planning poker, Wideband
Delphi
Our ceremonies are categorized as
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• Team share understanding/feeling of the requirement
• Relative unit (Point versus Time)
• Flexible with complexity
• Enable conversation and transparency
• Ability to forecast product release base on team velocity
Benefits of Agile Estimation
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Benefits of Agile Estimation
• To make decisions
• To know the time frame
• To give a price
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Agile Estimation - Problems
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Estimate Time Rather Than Complexity
1 days
2 days
and a half
4 days
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A lot of unknowns
Work best with similar work that has
few unknowns
Estimation takes a lot of time and
effort
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Velocity
Velocity can be misused
Velocity can be gamed
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Gaming with velocity
Reduced
quality
Maintain
velocity
High
quality
Building up
technical debt Technical Debt
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Estimation Blockers
• Business pressures
• Lack of process or understanding
• Lack of alignment to standards
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The ugly truth
We, people, are never good at estimation
We need to improve our estimation skill !
Then yes, it becomes our impediment
and we want to improve it
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The Cycle of No-Improvement
The Cycle of No-
Improvement
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?
With that much problems
HOW CAN WE ESTIMATE
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Why don’t we find an alternative?
BETTER
ways to make DECISIONS
= ALTERNATIVE
ways to make DECISIONS
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What is #NoEstimates
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As it shouldn’t exist
Dr. Jeff Sutherland and Ken Schwaber
Kent Beck
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Extreme reactions
Source: #NoEstimates Twitter Page
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The advocates
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What #NoEstimates is not
Any method, tool or process
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What #NoEstimate is
#NoEstimates is a hashtag for the topic of
exploring alternatives to estimates [of time,
effort, cost] for making decisions in software
development.
That is, ways to make decisions with “No
Estimates”.
~ Zuill
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An approach to Agile Manifesto
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#NoEstimates
ESTIMATES ARE NOT BAD
JUST NOT ALWAYS NEEDED
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How to #NoEstimates
HOW TO APPLY #NOESTIMATES
?
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How to #NoEstimates
1-Choose 3-Develop
2-Break
4-Refactor
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How to #NoEstimates
HOW MANY
USER STORIES OR POINTS
CAN BE DELIVERED PER SPRINT ?
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How to #NoEstimates
Is this team’s velocity
STABLE?
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How to #NoEstimates
No. USER STORIES OR POINTS
?
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Experiment
#NoEstimates Whitepaper by Vasco Duarte
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Experiment
#NoEstimates Whitepaper by Vasco Duarte
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Experiment
#NoEstimates Whitepaper by Vasco Duarte
No. USER STORIES
http://bit.ly/NoEstimatesProjectsDB
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Splitting User Story
Have you ever got any DIFFICULTIES
in SPLITTING task or story
?
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Splitting User Story
8 User Story
ways to split a
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1. WORKFLOW
Create stories for steps in
that workflow
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1. WORKFLOW
AS ...
I WANT to checkout a
customer
SO THAT ...
calculate
total
credit card
details
payment
method
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2. DATA DETAILS
Write stories for related elements
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2. DATA DETAILS
AS a Student,
I WANT to view my result for
this semester’s courses,
SO THAT...
view my
score
view my
class
average
view my
letter (A+,
A, B..)
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3. Special Case
Write a story with zero
input, size one input,
and multiple input.
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3. Special Case
AS a user
I WANT to delete items from
the shopping cart,
SO THAT ...
remove
single item
remove
multiple
items
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4. HAPPY PATH
Create a story to complete the
happy path first, then create
stories for another case
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4. HAPPY PATH
AS a Dispatcher,
I WANT to view information
about a train,
SO THAT ...
on-time
train
cancel
train
delayed
train
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5. CORE + ENHANCE
Create a story for the core - main
feature, then create stories for all
the work.
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5. CORE + ENHANCE
AS user,
I WANT to create revenue,
profit, and growth reports,
SO THAT ...
revenue
report for
February
2013
revenue,
profit, and
growth
reports for
all months
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6. OPTIONS
Create a story for each type of
option.
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6. OPTIONS
AS a customer,
I WANT to view the time in
multiple format,
SO THAT ....
American
format
Decimal
format
Vietnamese
format
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7. UNKNOWN
Create an investigative story to
analyze or research, and another to
implement it.
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7. UNKNOWN
AS … customer,
I WANT to view products
related to the product I am
currently viewing,
SO THAT ...
Research
the optimal
logic
display products
related to the
product I am
currently viewing
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8. ACCEPTANCE TEST
Make each acceptance test
(or group them) into one user
story
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8. ACCEPTANCE TEST
AS manager
I WANT to assign tasks to employees,
SO THAT he can work on tasks
ACCEPTANCE TEST:
● WHEN employee is already
assigned,THEN he cannot be
assigned to another task;
● WHEN employee is not yet
assigned, THEN he can be
assigned to a task;
employee
is already
assigned
employee is not
yet assigned
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Splitting User Story
8
3. SPECIAL CASE
2. DATA DETAILS
4. HAPPY PATH
1. WORKFLOW
7. UNKNOWN
6. OPTIONS
8. ACCEPTANCE TEST
5. CORE-ENHANCE
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Requirement:
Building Park
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= base unit
- Split park to valuable parts
- Estimation bases on base
unit
Estimated teams
- Find the base unit, of the whole park;
= = 2 base units
Building Park
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= base unit
Estimated teams
= = 2 base units
M
L =
M=
S=
=
Building Park
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- Find the base unit, of the whole park;
- Split park to components which its
size equal to base unit;
Non-estimated teams
= base unit
== = =
Building Park
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Front
Behind
Right
Left
Building Park
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Building Park
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HOW DO WE APPLY?
Our situations:
- 3 months ago
- New potential idea
- No customer
- Unclear business
- Technical debts
=> Target: get the first
Customer
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HOW DO WE APPLY?
Our situations:
- Meeting with some
potential-customer
- Get new requirement and
promise
=> Change backlog, change
priority of US in Sprint
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HOW DO WE APPLY?
Our situations:
- Unclear business
- Requirement changing frequently
- Technical debts
=> #NOEstimates?
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HOW DO WE APPLY?
What did we do:
- PO decide the important feature we have to finish and put
to backlog (just epic)
- We alway ready for receive new request
- Team will discuss and split the big US (or epic) into a lot
of smaller US
- Sometime we refactor the old implementation to adapt
with new request
- WE don’t have velocity
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HOW DO WE APPLY?
Result until now (3 months):
- Get the first Customer
- One more team joined with our product
- We understand more
“You are the great team, you are the fastest team I have ever
seen before, thank you so much” - Patrick Brazzale (Our PM)
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HOW DO WE APPLY?
Our team not yet
STABLE
:(
But we trust
each other
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Q&A
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References
1. http://neilkillick.com/
2. http://noestimates.org/blog/2014/07/vasco-duarte/
3. http://softwaredevelopmenttoday.blogspot.com/
4. http://www.agileforall.com/splitting-user-stories/
5. http://softwaredevelopmenttoday.com/
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