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Best Practices for
International Expansion




              Andy McLoughlin
             Co-founder, Huddle
                 @bandrew
Stuff we‟re going to cover
Part I     Some background

Part II    London, SF <> SF, London

Part III   Going east

Part IV    Stuff you need to know and do

Part V     Questions
Part I
Some background (or who am I and why am I here)
About me
Co-founder and EVP
Strategy at Huddle

Frustrated designer and
economist

Based in London for 8
years

Living in San Francisco for
the last 18 months

Love start-
ups, technology, great
food, trying to fence, trying
to ski, outdoor alcohol
consumption
I founded a business called Huddle. We make
collaborative tools for the enterprise. We have 75
 people across London and San Francisco. I‟ve
 made virtually every mistake possible as we‟ve
                       grown.
Our timeline
November 2006 – Founded business in London, based out of
my bedroom

April 2007 – Huddle launched, move into first office

November 2007 – Raised $4M Series A. Hire like crazy.

December 2007 – First business trip to the US.

July 2008 – Move into new office. Approx 20 people.

March 2010 – Raise $10M Series B. Start thinking about US
expansion. Hire like crazy again.

May 2010 – Announce Series B. Have a big party. Dance a lot.
Realise I have to re-locate. Panic.
Part II
London, SF <> SF, London
After the music stops, the work
           starts…
 US incorporation
 Decisions on location
 Decisions on relocation
 and acquire visas for
 UK team
 Find offices
 Start hiring
 All whilst keeping the
 UK business rolling…
(re)location, location
Do Sand Hill Road
investors want the entire
company to re-locate to
the west coast? Is this
feasible?

If not, what‟ s the
minimum they‟re looking
for in terms of
management cover for a
remote team?

Case Study - Zendesk
Who should you send?
But, wait, why San Francisco?
A word (or two) on US visas



Company                     Submit
 Submits       Petition      Visa       Embassy     Passport
 Petition     Approved    Application   Interview   Returned
Application    [day 45]     Online       [day 50]   [day 55]
 [day 0]                   [day 46]
Submit application     Begin hassling      Lose temper and
and begin „business       attorneys             cancel 1st
 trip‟ to US [day 0]      [day 45]         application [day 50]




Application returned   Learn colleague‟s
 with Request for                          Re-apply, paying for
                          application
 Extra Information                         speedy processing
                        approved. Have
                                                [day 51]
      [day 66]         tantrum. [day 52]




                         3 month visa
    Submit Extra                              Application
                       expires, leave US
Information [day 75]                       approved [day 102]
                        quickly [day 89]
Part III
 Going East
No, not to Brooklyn
Europe!
Why look to Europe?
Talent (an alternative to $100k developers!)
Huge addressable population
Major cities home to key industries
Many growth economies in Eastern Europe
The fine foods, culture, architecture and impressionable
members of the opposite sex


But Europe is a big, fragmented place. Where to start?
Paris
Copenhagen, Helsinki,
     Stockholm
Dublin
Berlin
Deep dive on London




          Warning – this section contains stats and lots of text.
Why London? A confluence of
 industries and nationalities


                                  Fashion


    Advertising           Media


                  Legal


     Finance




                                    (OK, and I‟m a little
                                                biased)
http://borg12345.deviantart.com/art/Language-Barriers-184440424?q=gallery%3Aborg12345%2F24658983&qo=1
Mandatory Infographic
The UK has Europe’s strongest inward investment track-record for EHQs. More overseas companies set up
        their EHQs in the UK than any other country – the UK is home to over half of all EHQs.


                       Location of European Headquarters Projects, 1998-2008
Setting up shop
2 real options; subsidiary or branch.

   Subsidiary is a separate legal entity from
   the parent company, usually with limited
   liability. Capital requirement can be
   extremely low, and there are no
   requirements for the board to include
   directors who are UK-resident or UK
   nationals.
                                                         Chris Grew
   Branch (aka Establishment or Place of            Partner, Emerging Companies
   Business) is owned and controlled by the US              Orrick London
   parent company and has a presence in the
   UK. It is legally the same entity as the
                                                         cgrew@orrick.com
   „parent‟ company whereas all profits/losses
   of the UK branch are incorporated with the             www.orrick.com
   overseas parent.

Use an international law firm to do the work. You
should be up and running in less than 2 weeks.
Employing in the UK
There is no employment at will, but UK labor law environment remains flexible,
protecting both the employer and employee.

Either party can terminate with 1 week‟s notice during initial 3 month
probationary period.

Thereafter 1 month‟s notice is required and 3 month‟s notice may be asked of
key hires.

UK employees accrue additional rights after 12 months of employment, after
which a simple procedure should be followed in order to terminate employees.

Compared to the European Union average of 40.4 hours, full-time employees in
the UK work an average of 42.2 hours per week. Source: Eurostat, 2010

The UK has a far less restricted system than our EU neighbours thanks to a
unique opt out from the EU Working Time Directive which enforces a maximum
35 hour working week in the rest of the EU. In the UK employees are allowed to
work longer hours, with no restrictions on working hours, overtime and less
public holidays. This means more productivity for your company. Source: Invest
in the UK, 2010
International hiring 101
Hiring in the UK is broadly the same as hiring anywhere else.



 Don‟t hire people you might hate, make sure they can do the
job, use your network, avoid recruiters wherever possible etc.
(but if you do need a recruiter)

 Dan Hyde of Erevena (based
in London) has helped us find
 several key people (CTO, VP
  Sales, Marketing Director)
    over the last few years.
                                www.erevena.com
Working in the UK (i)


                     FACT
It‟s very naughty to come to the UK and work without a visa
Visiting the UK for business
US nationals can seek entry as a business visitor from an immigration officer at a UK port of
    arrival.

A business visitor can:
   Go to meetings and trade fairs, buy goods and negotiate contracts with UK businesses
   Go to conferences and seminars as a delegate
   Find out about, check the details of, or examine goods
   Undertake training, as long as it is classroom-based instruction or limited to observation only

Business visitors cannot:
   Take paid or unpaid work
   Produce goods or provide services in the UK
   Sell goods and services to members of the public

To qualify as a business visitor, an applicant needs to satisfy that he/she:
   Intends to transact business directly linked to his or her employment abroad
   Normally lives and works abroad and has no intention of transferring the base to the
    UK, even temporarily
   Receives a salary from abroad (but may get reasonable expenses to cover travel and
    subsistence during the visit)
Working in the UK (ii)
If you intend to spend long periods of time working in the
UK you‟ll need a visa.

I have literally no idea how the UK visa system works but
if it‟s even half as painful as the US system then use a
specialist immigration attorney in the UK to assist you
with your application.
UK banking for your business



Great things about SVB          Bad things about SVB
  Set up the account from the
  US
                                 Their banking interface
  They‟re well connected to       was created by Satan
  the Tech City people            himself
  Shai Goldman is on the
  ground in NY
                                Also consider HSBC (for
                                both business and personal
                                banking) as hundreds of
The Geography
Office Options
Co-working spaces such as Techhub, The
Trampery, White Bear Yard

Flexible office spaces with The Workspace Group, Regus

Ask people you know if they have spare desks – even big
companies start this way.
Other things to be aware of
Budget 1/3 of salary for additional taxes and national
insurance.
You don‟t need to worry about healthcare – this is
wrapped up in the national insurance cost. This is
generally the case in most of Europe.
By law, a pension scheme (i.e. 401k) must be offered
but the company doesn‟t need to pay into it.
Generally, people are less motivated by stock and
more motivated by salary. Why? London is an
expensive city to live in and there isn‟t the same heritage
of big technology successes are there is in the US.
London Meetups
There are hundredsof meetups every week in London for
people working in tech and media, or interested in
entrepreneurship.

The best are DrinkTank, Minibar, YC Hacker
Meetup, Silicon Drinkabout
Useful conversation topics
when talking with Londoners
“What about this weather we‟re having?”
“How was your commute in today?”
“What about this weather we‟re having?”
“Fancy a pint?”
“Looking forward to the Olympics? No, me
neither.”
“Yeah, I totally preferred Shoreditch before the
suits moved in.”
Part IV
Stuff you need to know and do as you grow
What / who to move abroad?
What‟s the purpose of
the new office? Sales?
Engineering? Customer
service? A mish-mash of
all of them probably
won‟t work well.

Do you have a senior
member of the team (a
founder, ideally) who
can form the nucleus of
the new office?
Dealing with the divide
Distance breeds mistrust; if you can‟t see what someone is doing
you‟re probably going to assume they‟re doing nothing!

Everyone hates process (documenting stuff, filling in forms, regular
meetings) but without some process everything will begin to fall
apart. Define a simple process for stuff and try to stick to it.

Reply to email from the other office as priority

Over-communicate, over-communicate, over-communicate!
   Internal email newsletter
   Always available by IM – try to cut down on email traffic
   Policy for cascading information down

Make the distance as small as possible
   Regular company all-hands video conference
   New joiners introduced weekly by video
   Internal Facebook group for gossip, sharing fun stuff
   US team flown over to UK for induction and Christmas party
Finding a team structure that
            works
As you grow, reporting lines become important (especially
so as you grow internationally)

Don‟t hire and just hope for the best - „water finds its own
level and staff will work out seniority‟ doesn‟t work.

It‟s likely staff will report into someone in another office

Appoint a GM in each remote office for day-to-day
management

Look at implementing OKR (objectives and key results) for
a lightweight way to keep people focussed
Changing your working day
I start in the office at 8am, although I first read email in
bed at 7am

The London team work later, and often take calls from
home at 9pm (after the kids have gone to bed)

8am – 11am is reserved for communicating with London

Put regular catch-ups with your team on calendar and
stick to them. Non-attendance punishable!

Skype is your friend – make sure everyone has it open
and a web cam installed
Maintaining company culture
Useful Online Tools
Rypple – staff management and reward

Yammer – micro blogging and communications platform

Shoeboxed – expense reporting

Tripit – travel management

Notable – product / design review

GoToMeeting – the most reliable tool for conferencing we‟ve found

Teamly – action and performance management

Pipedrive – lightweight CRM that doesn‟t suck

Spotify – create a shared playlist all offices can collaborate on and
listen to
Knowing what you now know


   Ask yourself: do you actually need an
international presence? Could it all be done
                from the US?

Doing it properly (i.e. incorporating a company, associated
 legal fees, renting an office, hiring staff, visas for key US
people, relocation costs) is likely to cost at least $100,000.
Doing it cheaply (regular travel, sofa surfing, desk squatting)
           could cost as little as $5,000 per year.
However, the distance doesn‟t
necessarily have to be a bad
          thing….

               My co-founder
Thank you!
                    (Part V – Questions)




Thanks to Mike Butcher (TechCrunch), Chris Grew (Orrick) and
             Helen Moore (UKTI) for their input.

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General assembly: Dealing with international expansion

  • 1. Best Practices for International Expansion Andy McLoughlin Co-founder, Huddle @bandrew
  • 2. Stuff we‟re going to cover Part I Some background Part II London, SF <> SF, London Part III Going east Part IV Stuff you need to know and do Part V Questions
  • 3. Part I Some background (or who am I and why am I here)
  • 4. About me Co-founder and EVP Strategy at Huddle Frustrated designer and economist Based in London for 8 years Living in San Francisco for the last 18 months Love start- ups, technology, great food, trying to fence, trying to ski, outdoor alcohol consumption
  • 5. I founded a business called Huddle. We make collaborative tools for the enterprise. We have 75 people across London and San Francisco. I‟ve made virtually every mistake possible as we‟ve grown.
  • 6. Our timeline November 2006 – Founded business in London, based out of my bedroom April 2007 – Huddle launched, move into first office November 2007 – Raised $4M Series A. Hire like crazy. December 2007 – First business trip to the US. July 2008 – Move into new office. Approx 20 people. March 2010 – Raise $10M Series B. Start thinking about US expansion. Hire like crazy again. May 2010 – Announce Series B. Have a big party. Dance a lot. Realise I have to re-locate. Panic.
  • 7. Part II London, SF <> SF, London
  • 8. After the music stops, the work starts… US incorporation Decisions on location Decisions on relocation and acquire visas for UK team Find offices Start hiring All whilst keeping the UK business rolling…
  • 9. (re)location, location Do Sand Hill Road investors want the entire company to re-locate to the west coast? Is this feasible? If not, what‟ s the minimum they‟re looking for in terms of management cover for a remote team? Case Study - Zendesk
  • 10. Who should you send?
  • 11. But, wait, why San Francisco?
  • 12. A word (or two) on US visas Company Submit Submits Petition Visa Embassy Passport Petition Approved Application Interview Returned Application [day 45] Online [day 50] [day 55] [day 0] [day 46]
  • 13. Submit application Begin hassling Lose temper and and begin „business attorneys cancel 1st trip‟ to US [day 0] [day 45] application [day 50] Application returned Learn colleague‟s with Request for Re-apply, paying for application Extra Information speedy processing approved. Have [day 51] [day 66] tantrum. [day 52] 3 month visa Submit Extra Application expires, leave US Information [day 75] approved [day 102] quickly [day 89]
  • 15. No, not to Brooklyn
  • 17. Why look to Europe? Talent (an alternative to $100k developers!) Huge addressable population Major cities home to key industries Many growth economies in Eastern Europe The fine foods, culture, architecture and impressionable members of the opposite sex But Europe is a big, fragmented place. Where to start?
  • 18. Paris
  • 22. Deep dive on London Warning – this section contains stats and lots of text.
  • 23. Why London? A confluence of industries and nationalities Fashion Advertising Media Legal Finance (OK, and I‟m a little biased)
  • 25. Mandatory Infographic The UK has Europe’s strongest inward investment track-record for EHQs. More overseas companies set up their EHQs in the UK than any other country – the UK is home to over half of all EHQs. Location of European Headquarters Projects, 1998-2008
  • 26. Setting up shop 2 real options; subsidiary or branch. Subsidiary is a separate legal entity from the parent company, usually with limited liability. Capital requirement can be extremely low, and there are no requirements for the board to include directors who are UK-resident or UK nationals. Chris Grew Branch (aka Establishment or Place of Partner, Emerging Companies Business) is owned and controlled by the US Orrick London parent company and has a presence in the UK. It is legally the same entity as the cgrew@orrick.com „parent‟ company whereas all profits/losses of the UK branch are incorporated with the www.orrick.com overseas parent. Use an international law firm to do the work. You should be up and running in less than 2 weeks.
  • 27. Employing in the UK There is no employment at will, but UK labor law environment remains flexible, protecting both the employer and employee. Either party can terminate with 1 week‟s notice during initial 3 month probationary period. Thereafter 1 month‟s notice is required and 3 month‟s notice may be asked of key hires. UK employees accrue additional rights after 12 months of employment, after which a simple procedure should be followed in order to terminate employees. Compared to the European Union average of 40.4 hours, full-time employees in the UK work an average of 42.2 hours per week. Source: Eurostat, 2010 The UK has a far less restricted system than our EU neighbours thanks to a unique opt out from the EU Working Time Directive which enforces a maximum 35 hour working week in the rest of the EU. In the UK employees are allowed to work longer hours, with no restrictions on working hours, overtime and less public holidays. This means more productivity for your company. Source: Invest in the UK, 2010
  • 28. International hiring 101 Hiring in the UK is broadly the same as hiring anywhere else. Don‟t hire people you might hate, make sure they can do the job, use your network, avoid recruiters wherever possible etc.
  • 29. (but if you do need a recruiter) Dan Hyde of Erevena (based in London) has helped us find several key people (CTO, VP Sales, Marketing Director) over the last few years. www.erevena.com
  • 30. Working in the UK (i) FACT It‟s very naughty to come to the UK and work without a visa
  • 31. Visiting the UK for business US nationals can seek entry as a business visitor from an immigration officer at a UK port of arrival. A business visitor can:  Go to meetings and trade fairs, buy goods and negotiate contracts with UK businesses  Go to conferences and seminars as a delegate  Find out about, check the details of, or examine goods  Undertake training, as long as it is classroom-based instruction or limited to observation only Business visitors cannot:  Take paid or unpaid work  Produce goods or provide services in the UK  Sell goods and services to members of the public To qualify as a business visitor, an applicant needs to satisfy that he/she:  Intends to transact business directly linked to his or her employment abroad  Normally lives and works abroad and has no intention of transferring the base to the UK, even temporarily  Receives a salary from abroad (but may get reasonable expenses to cover travel and subsistence during the visit)
  • 32. Working in the UK (ii) If you intend to spend long periods of time working in the UK you‟ll need a visa. I have literally no idea how the UK visa system works but if it‟s even half as painful as the US system then use a specialist immigration attorney in the UK to assist you with your application.
  • 33. UK banking for your business Great things about SVB Bad things about SVB Set up the account from the US  Their banking interface They‟re well connected to was created by Satan the Tech City people himself Shai Goldman is on the ground in NY Also consider HSBC (for both business and personal banking) as hundreds of
  • 35. Office Options Co-working spaces such as Techhub, The Trampery, White Bear Yard Flexible office spaces with The Workspace Group, Regus Ask people you know if they have spare desks – even big companies start this way.
  • 36. Other things to be aware of Budget 1/3 of salary for additional taxes and national insurance. You don‟t need to worry about healthcare – this is wrapped up in the national insurance cost. This is generally the case in most of Europe. By law, a pension scheme (i.e. 401k) must be offered but the company doesn‟t need to pay into it. Generally, people are less motivated by stock and more motivated by salary. Why? London is an expensive city to live in and there isn‟t the same heritage of big technology successes are there is in the US.
  • 37. London Meetups There are hundredsof meetups every week in London for people working in tech and media, or interested in entrepreneurship. The best are DrinkTank, Minibar, YC Hacker Meetup, Silicon Drinkabout
  • 38. Useful conversation topics when talking with Londoners “What about this weather we‟re having?” “How was your commute in today?” “What about this weather we‟re having?” “Fancy a pint?” “Looking forward to the Olympics? No, me neither.” “Yeah, I totally preferred Shoreditch before the suits moved in.”
  • 39. Part IV Stuff you need to know and do as you grow
  • 40. What / who to move abroad? What‟s the purpose of the new office? Sales? Engineering? Customer service? A mish-mash of all of them probably won‟t work well. Do you have a senior member of the team (a founder, ideally) who can form the nucleus of the new office?
  • 41. Dealing with the divide Distance breeds mistrust; if you can‟t see what someone is doing you‟re probably going to assume they‟re doing nothing! Everyone hates process (documenting stuff, filling in forms, regular meetings) but without some process everything will begin to fall apart. Define a simple process for stuff and try to stick to it. Reply to email from the other office as priority Over-communicate, over-communicate, over-communicate! Internal email newsletter Always available by IM – try to cut down on email traffic Policy for cascading information down Make the distance as small as possible Regular company all-hands video conference New joiners introduced weekly by video Internal Facebook group for gossip, sharing fun stuff US team flown over to UK for induction and Christmas party
  • 42. Finding a team structure that works As you grow, reporting lines become important (especially so as you grow internationally) Don‟t hire and just hope for the best - „water finds its own level and staff will work out seniority‟ doesn‟t work. It‟s likely staff will report into someone in another office Appoint a GM in each remote office for day-to-day management Look at implementing OKR (objectives and key results) for a lightweight way to keep people focussed
  • 43. Changing your working day I start in the office at 8am, although I first read email in bed at 7am The London team work later, and often take calls from home at 9pm (after the kids have gone to bed) 8am – 11am is reserved for communicating with London Put regular catch-ups with your team on calendar and stick to them. Non-attendance punishable! Skype is your friend – make sure everyone has it open and a web cam installed
  • 45. Useful Online Tools Rypple – staff management and reward Yammer – micro blogging and communications platform Shoeboxed – expense reporting Tripit – travel management Notable – product / design review GoToMeeting – the most reliable tool for conferencing we‟ve found Teamly – action and performance management Pipedrive – lightweight CRM that doesn‟t suck Spotify – create a shared playlist all offices can collaborate on and listen to
  • 46. Knowing what you now know Ask yourself: do you actually need an international presence? Could it all be done from the US? Doing it properly (i.e. incorporating a company, associated legal fees, renting an office, hiring staff, visas for key US people, relocation costs) is likely to cost at least $100,000. Doing it cheaply (regular travel, sofa surfing, desk squatting) could cost as little as $5,000 per year.
  • 47. However, the distance doesn‟t necessarily have to be a bad thing…. My co-founder
  • 48. Thank you! (Part V – Questions) Thanks to Mike Butcher (TechCrunch), Chris Grew (Orrick) and Helen Moore (UKTI) for their input.

Editor's Notes

  1. From UKLive in San Francisco
  2. Will come back to this later, but this is very important.One of the founders, ideallyCore team
  3. InvestorsPressGood network already thereOther options – NY, Boston
  4. Copenhagen, Helsinki and Stockholm punch above their weight forstartups and often go global from there.
  5. Bigger companies, call centres, sales, support. Still yet to see a big tech startup success come from the city.
  6. Very cool city. Cheaper cost of living than London. Nokia, Soundcloud.Berlin is emerging as a big hub because of its lower costs in terms ofoffices etc and its proximity to raw Central and Eastern Europeantalent. Poland, for instance, regularly trounces other nations incoding competitions due to a maths engineering-focused educationsystem - largely the legacy of the Sov eraand something withpersists across CEE  and the Baltics to this day.Copycat culture – Samwer brothers. Unfair?
  7. If Berlin in like NY, then London is the Silicon Valley of Europe. Even has a silly name in Silicon Roundabout.
  8. London competes with the media and the City for talent, and yet stillhas a vibrant ecosystem, in part because it can draw from aninternational recruiting base.London is a good place to expand across Europe because you can hireFrench, German etc people to internationalise. Global media sales alsorun there - hence why Spotify has a Soho office crammed full ofblondes taking ad execs to lunch! ;-)Best transport options for NY, Boston and SF. Many flights daily.
  9. Brits are generally terrible with languages but, on the whole, I think Americans may be worse.London is a very easy city to locate to – good transport
  10. Similar to the US in that respect!
  11. Be prepared for lots of questions on entry. Kristina example.
  12. Unlike the US, setting up a bank account in the US is actually quite simple.They aren&apos;t the best bank, but for the simple remote stuff it was good.  HSBC might also be a good option. 
  13. 40-50% of VC in Europe coms out of London. The biggest VCs are basedthere. A 30 minute walk around Mayfair / Victoria would basically hitmost of the biggest VCs in Europe.The top three arBalderton, Acce and Index. After that it&apos;s about DFJ,Wellington, Eden etc
  14. For as long as you can, try and keep engineering in one place.Install a founder or member of the senior teamThink about the minimum viable office size. I reckon 6 people+
  15. People need / like to know who they work for
  16. Think about regular travel both ways, and including remote office in big partiesWhat makes your company special? Can it be replicated remotely?For Huddle – great music all day, regular evenings out, costume parties, beer on Friday, breakfast every day, special lunch once per week (small team goes out)