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1st BSIT Consultative Curriculum Development
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Time Wednesday at 10:00am - October 21 at 4:00pm
Location Hacienda Darasa, Tanauan, Batangas
Created By Don Bosco BS Information Technology
More Info Curriculum Development for the BSIT Program of Don Bosco involving all
faculty members, alumni (via cyberspace), and selected student
representatives from different year level.
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Matt Lebrun I'd like to share my realizations when
I joined the corporate world which I hope would be of some
help in
the coming Curriculum Development. It is in my best intention to help
the future generation of IT students in DBTC. This will come in
random since I'm writing this as I think so please bear with me.
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Matt Lebrun To appreciate our Accounting subjects better
introduce ERP to the students. A lot of opportunities await in
the business-side of IT. Also I agree to give SOENG more
focus as it will greatly help.
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Matt Lebrun Software programming jobs will see a decline
of demand in the US in the next 5-10yrs. A few reasons are
offshoring and outsourcing. But Software Engineering will rise
in demand in the US for the next 5-10yrs.
Two things can be taken from this. Countries like us may
benefit from the offshored/outsourced jobs and a foresight
that Software Engineering might/will/is a critical role for an
IT graduate to consider.
Matt Lebrun I always wished we had more projects where
there will be chances to talk to real clients, learn their
business, gather specs, think of how technology can solve
their problem, document it, then develop the solution. Having
this will give our IT graduates a very strong edge once they
step into the corporate world. This would've build their
business, people, and technical skills.
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Matt Lebrun I always remember Sir Barcy saying in a
project 70% goes to planning, research, specs gathering,
consolidation, etc and 30% goes to development or
programming. I found this to be very true in corporate,
sometimes its even 80:20 or 90:10.
Matt Lebrun Web development and Mobile development will
be very hot areas for those who wish to pursue
programming in the next 5-10yrs because of Web 3.0 and
Cloud Computing. Even talks on Web 4.0 is spreading and
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should be kept in mind.
Matt Lebrun The programming language used is trivial
compared to having a programmer's mindset. Therefore
logical/problem-solving skills is very important. In the
corporate world, you don't always have a say/choice as to
what language will be used but if you have grasped the basics
you're well on your way to learning any programming
language. Anyhow, if you don't know their language of choice
they'll train you but the classroom/laboratory is the best
place to instill a programmer's mindset.
Matt Lebrun As an elective, our IT students might also
benefit from learning SEO and SEM.
Matt Lebrun I've also learned that people skills is even
more important than technical skills. 85% of your success in
business will be affected by this and only 15% by your
technical prowess. You'll meet managers/team leaders
inferior to your technical skills but the reason they're in that
position is because they know how to manage people. The
people at the top are not necessarily the best at what they do
but they're the best at managing people who are the best at
what they do. Likewise, our Theology and Psychology classes
are very much appreciated in this regard – Technology with a
Soul remember?
Matt Lebrun Most of the time students think of the two
subjects mentioned above as a bore and waste, but once
you're faced with the critical, harsh, demanding, brutal,
energy-sucking reality of the corporate world or just life
outside the academe you'll value the lessons learned from
those subjects. The corporate pay thousands just to give their
employees the lessons we are already learning from those
subjects. So please value them. Take notes and keep them
with you especially once you step out of school.
Matt Lebrun Back to Cloud and other emerging web
technologies. It is because of these that Network Security will
be an ever so hot topic in the very very near future.
Knowledge and expertise in this field will be very important.
Matt Lebrun Back to our Elective subjects. Since the choice
of path to take after an IT student graduates is vast, could be
possible that the student can have a choice of elective to
take? For example if the student wishes to take the
Networking side of IT then would have a choice of having an
elective that would teach him more advanced topics in that
field (Network security and the like). Or if its on the
development/software engineering side the more advanced
topics in this regard can be taken.
Matt Lebrun There's still a few things that must've escaped
my thoughts, but that's it for now :) I hope this helps.
Matt Lebrun Sorry for the redundant things ive mentioned.
I just read the other posts here after I posted my thoughts
^_^;
Rodelio Barcenas Great Matt, ang dami na nito.. thanks for
the help...
I'll try to collate the alumni iniputs then present the directions
or plans here by monday... hopefully by tue, all of us can see
the new directions of BSIT.
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Then on wed, I will be presenting the collated directions to
the faculty for the curriculum review...
Thanks and God bless you more....
Bogs Abraham Kudos Matt binasa ko talga lahat
hehe,coudn't have said it any better my friend. Kahit
nosebleed ata ako sa ibang mga pinagsasasabi mo sir.
One point i would like to raise though is on the networking
side lang naman.
I really wish we could offer a networking courseware for the
lesser gifted in programming, particularly modules of Cisco,
ccent and icnd2, and then later on perhaps routing,switching,
netsec fundamentals as you were pointing out... -mac
Bogs Abraham Im not taking anything away from
datacoms, but if there only was a substitute non
programming subject and a competent networking subject
that other technical students could perhaps go and excel at,
this would be the most qualified alternative :)
all other schools have them, baka pwede din satin. Again its
just my opinion, and others too... i know its not going to be
easy, but i know it will be for the good of our bosconian
community. peace! regards sirs Pro deo et patria
Rodelio Barcenas Yes change is a painstaking thing to
pursue always.
OK lang yun Bogs... everyone needs to grow....
Thanks for the inputs
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Giovanni Petrache More elective subjects(No maximum
limit of enrolled elective subjects)
- if its possible to start elective classes(basics/introduction) in the 1st
year level so students would be able to know what field to specialize
especially for the undecided ones
basic
entrepreneurial management subjects
- lets say, you have the skills of doing those IT stuff. But do you want
to be come an employee till you retire or do you want retire early and
be our own boss? I am currently into web development, making web
sites for different companies in which they are making shit loads of
money. So this idea came into my mind, instead of making web sites
for them why wont I make my own web site or program and profit from
it.
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Rodelio Barcenas Uy... this is worth a try... The BSIT
program is trying to teach students become ready in the
workplace...
Why not also training them to be ready to become future
entrepreneurs in the IT workplace....
I think we need to re-think the graduate attributes of an IT
Graduate. We need to see where to fit this
Giovanni Petrache having more entrepreneurs in our
country could probably help our economic condition.
sorry to those computer shop owners, i'm not referring to
you.. LOL
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future google, facebook, inventors, or running your own firm
instead of the firm running you...
Kailangan namin nang speaker dito...
Invite ka namin ha?
Giovanni Petrache running your own firm instead of the
firm running you...
- mismo sir
Invite ka namin ha?
- hahahahah.. sure sir, but i'm currently out of the country. i
guess i have to put up my own business first so i can share
my experiences.. hopefully soon.. i think JB could be a good
speaker for that.
Rodelio Barcenas Sige... students can draw inspiration
from you.
Galing! clap clap clap... he he
Aprub
Christian Jesus Cerillo nice idea. actually focus ako ngaun
sa web development and i'm freelancer now. pero naisip ko
magbuild ng startup company at mag create ng sariling
software product..
Rodelio Barcenas Having my students to become successful
entreprenuer is one of my dreams.
Kapag marami na sila and serving our country...
I have done my part na siguro... time to retire....
Rodelio Barcenas yeah! great Christian... Like Giovanni...
he is one of the first batch of BSIT... sana dumami mga self
employed and ultimately provide jobs to our fellow
countrymen..
Its a long journey... but i think would be really worth it.
Nothing wrong with that... you have my thumbs up there...
Giovanni Petrache @christian: your into telecommuting?
Rodelio Barcenas I'll try to share this to our professors...
this is one good thing we must try hard to include in the
curriculum
Rodelio Barcenas perhaps Software as a Service ....
something like that
Christian Jesus Cerillo @sir rodel: thanks sir. madami po
ako nakakausap ng mga startup company sa ibang bansa
thru internet lang kaya nainspire din ako.
@giovanni: oo kuya, telecommuting.. mejo nagsisimula pa
lang pero ok naman.. since nag resign ako sa dating work ko
as web developer sinubukan ko tong telecommute jobs..
Christian Jesus Cerillo eto inspiration ko
http://www.pinoywebstartup.com/
Rodelio Barcenas We'll take note of that... malay mo you
will become another website millionaire like facebook...
Follow your dreams...
Si giovanni can guide you. BSIT alumni natin yan.
Siya lang ang stud sa batch nila na nag work on his own...
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Christian Jesus Cerillo @thank you sir..
i'll take advices from kuya Giovanni..
Rodelio Barcenas Maganda rin mag karoon tayo nang BSIT
Entrepreneurs Group din para mag join mga alumni natin na
self employed...
Helping one another ba....
It would strengthen each and others advocacies.
sharing on projects... opportunities... para yung mga startup
groups ay matulungan din...
Rodelio Barcenas Interesting itong thread na ito ah...
sana others can read through
Giovanni Petrache @christian: dude, im sorry but im not
used to be called kuya. just call me by my firstname. im cool
with it. peace.
just ask around, i can share you my ideas and maybe give
you advices.
maybe you can use this to organize your ideas
http://www.mindmap.com/
back to the drawing board.
@sir rodel: im currently an ofw here singapore, working for
a french company. so i think im not self employed now. ^^
ryzan malabuyoc(classmate) was the one who introduced me
to the telecommuting job. I owe this to him. I think he's doing
good in that field.
Rodelio Barcenas does he have an FB account?
Christian Jesus Cerillo @giovanni: sorry.. sige Giovannie
na lang.. thanks for sharing, yes back to basics, mindmap..
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Giovanni Petrache ENGLISH
- i am one of those bastards to take this subject for granted.
i even failed this subject when i was in high school. this is a MUST,
especially if we want to compete with the global market
SOCIAL SKILLS
- this could not be learn in the four corners of the classroom. even how
good you are academically(getting 1 for gpa) but your an arse, you
would still be an arse.
Rodelio Barcenas IT Students must have Interpersonal
Skills + Real Good Written and spoken English
Mikki Robiso correct.. +1 for Vanni hehe
Giovanni Petrache For students:
Don't you dare to miss out your college life, go out and have
fun(you can ask your sir Henard King Rodriguez about it). Im not
stopping you from doing stupid things because we learn from it. Just
be sure to learn the things that is being thought, like academics andChat (Offline)

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make the best out of it.
If you don't understand something, don't feel stupid, dumb or shy, go
ask and learn.
I guess learning starts when we first came out of this world(we learn
how to breath). Going to school/college/university is just a
preparation for the career path we plan take. Its doesn't mean that
when we graduate, it's the end of it. It is actually the beginning.
You'll know when you get there.
Learning or education is a never ending process.
Rodelio Barcenas The students should be trained to have
the passion for learning more .... medyo mahirap ito but
worth it
Giovanni Petrache i guess this the common issue with
educators. but when you got them started *boom*. ang
problema na lng is what to teach them..
Rodelio Barcenas yup. copy
Fern Ariola also not to repeatedly do the same stupid thing
but learn from its consequences
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Geo TotoyPanget Dela Paz Symfony is a good PHP
Framework. I used it in my previous job. ;D
Rodelio Barcenas Thanks Geo... we'll try to study your
inputs as well as coldfusion... ang concern lang namin is kung
gaano karami sa industry ang gumagamit nito....
Rodelio Barcenas This is another input sa Electives
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Daniel Quismorio sir, sa mga electives try Coldfusion..
madali lng po siya aralin.. SUper dali gamitin pang hatak ng
maraming tables specially sa mga web base project na ginagawa po
sa skul.. tps pwede po i-integrate sa mga scripting language, like php
etc..
Rodelio Barcenas we'll look into this one...
yep... electives perhaps
Jerome Bassig "Problem Resolution Time" is essential in
every business. More often, one small problem leads to a
much more difficult one. With this, ITIL (Information Technology
Infrastructure Library) is introduce. It's a set of IT activities which
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serves as our guideline in IT Service Management.
Remember that its not always that you solve the problem, but also
the time it took to fix it.
Rodelio Barcenas nice one...
Copy.... No more mercy this time sa deadlines....
Jerome Bassig Naalala ko d2, ung nka-post sa IT LAB..
"Beggars not allowed, Professionals Come in"..
Rodelio Barcenas inculcate discipline among studs is really
a must.
Its easier to explain to them now... once may kuya sila na
nag sasalita from the outside
Rodelio Barcenas Ibabalik ko nga ulit yun...
May nag tanggal nun eh...
Rodelio Barcenas kahit anong galing mo sa lahat nang IT
technologies... kung wala ka nito tsk tsk tsk... sabog
Jerome Bassig one more thing, "ITS ALWAYS OK TO
ASK".. Hindi masama magtanung, kasi most probably some
of us might have encountered the problem that you are
entangled now.. There's no Letter "I" in the word "TEAM"..
Rodelio Barcenas another point... Team work is not
evident sa mga IT students..
kahit sa Thesis na lang, walang group... minsan 1 or 2 lang
gumagawa...
Rodelio Barcenas another important part here is the
thinking and analysis part...
kung wala ka nito, may prob ka talaga sa deadline...
siguro ... training students to think critically rin important
Jerome Bassig This will fall into group management as well
sir. If you're leader is not capable of handling the team, wala
talaga mangyayari.
Rodelio Barcenas Focus also on leadership skill in
students...
kailangan mailagay din ito sa curricullum
Rodelio Barcenas This are softskills... we'll try to see kung
anong mga subjects pede insert itong issue na ito
Rodelio Barcenas Leadership
Teamwork
Critical Thinking
Time control
Jerome Bassig A sign of a good leader is that he/she can
expel member na hindi na productive.. That way, his/her
members will be always be push to the limits, giving priceless
end-results.
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Mark Ballesteros Try to integrate Search Engine Marketing
(SEM) to the course itself. Since most of the things that are
in the internet today can be based on Social Medias. I, for one never
thought that IT and Marketing can co-exists. I remembered that we
tackled at IRM about web crawling, and if it is possible that you can
go deeper to SEO (Search Engine Optimization) and SEM. If ever,
there are a lot of possibilities to learn more lalo na dynamic ang
technology today. Now at work, I've learned a lot about SEO and I
hope that students can really learn it kahit konti lang para may idea
sila on how diverse the technology today.
Rodelio Barcenas Narinig ko na din ito sa iba alumni.
I'll communicate this with Sir Alvin
Mamya... I'll call his attention on this
Mark Ballesteros thanks sir barci!if ever, i'll give some
inputs on a more deeper way sa SEO pag may time!
Rodelio Barcenas Sige... medyo bago tech na yan... feed
mo kami inputs...
madali naman kami maka pickup
Allan Butz Malunes Sir Barcenas, I remember his topic
way back college days when a student of AMA was televised
and claims he 'hacked' a website of a famous fastfood
company (I'm still finding the link) he was arrested but freed
because laws in cyberhacking wasn't 'refined' back then.
Cutting the story short, news claims he uses SEO/SEM to
redirect traffic to his favored brand thus occupying the first
10 links in search engines. It was a crime because it's
unethical to use meta tags to misrepresent a company
Ex. If your brand is Jolibee but you used meta tags related to
mcdo
in effect when anyone types in search engine 'mcdo
hamburgers' a jolibbe entry will still appear.
I've researched more about the topic and I found out that
SEO/SEM is taught at AMA or STI ata as elective. I'll post if I
found more details of the topic.
Rodelio Barcenas Sige Allan, give me more info about
this...
Nice info....
Alvin Boki Some suggestions also for students who are
considering Software Engineering
1. Do NOT take forgranted the lessons about SDLC. It is the lifeline of
the software engineering line and you cannot just "code and deploy"
your program without some proper planning on how you accomplish
your project.
2. Do NOT limit yourself to the programming. Clients will also be
confident of your skills if you can configure servers, deploy
applications, identify frameworks, etc. But of course you have the
option of being a specialist of your field
3. Final tip. OBSERVE DEADLINES!!! Business will not be able to take
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company's) mistake. That's what our batch learned after the hard
years in college. ;)
Rodelio Barcenas thanks for this input... will relay this to
the studs...
Jerome Bassig Deadline = ang kakatay sayo sa industry...
Rodelio Barcenas Shape up or Ship out
Alvin Boki If it's possible to have a branching of skillset for
the IT curriculum? I've been on the Software Engineering
industry, but most of my batchmate also end up in Database
Administration and Systems Administrators. I agree for most of the
people here that suggest that we should also focus on other aspects of
IT and not on programming. Maybe students who aspire for
programming should be co-branched with Computer Science? Just
some ideas but I am thinking if it is doable for the school
Rodelio Barcenas thanks alvin....
Iba kasi ang totoong discipline nang Computer Science.
Research ang focus nang Computer Science
There is a move na tanggalin ang Thesis and replace it with
Capstone Project. Parang thesis din ito... pero applied.
Students will really deal with implementing actual IT systems
sa mga company
Para ito sa application nang SOENG and SOPRJ subjects
what do you think?
Alvin Boki Would it be redundant for SOENG and SOPRJ ?
And would the students also be limited to a certain technology
or are they free to choose? :)
Rodelio Barcenas still in the draft pa rin
may advantage pa rin kasi ang students na marunong mag
research or thesis... important skill yung research
Rodelio Barcenas siguro, dapat may connection sa reality
ang dapat gawin nang students sa SOENG and SOPRJ
Alvin Boki I'd go for focus on reaserch then . Another
question is that, like most alumni mentioned here, some
people might not be interested in software engineering and
are keen on other fields of IT (like Voice/PABX from Dan,
System Administration from King, etc.). Would the students
have an option to from this fields? Given that this fields may
have a limited slots available so that there's a balanced
distribution of skilled graduates
Rodelio Barcenas yung VOIP, pwede mag introduce sa
Advance DTCOM
example Asterisk
Alvin Boki This "Capstone Project", would it also apply on
other fields of IT like DTCOM, DBMS and SYSAD?
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Rodelio Barcenas yes... A system... as a whole
Rodelio Barcenas mas madugo pa nga yun sa ITPRJ
Alvin Boki Ouch :P I think we're off a good start, identifying
all the possible skillsets and fields . let's see how it goes. I'll
think of another input maybe this week.
Rodelio Barcenas I-collate ko na kasi by monday... then
present ko sa alumni...
then kung ok... present ko sa curriculum dev namin by wed
Alvin Boki then by later or tomorrow sunday :)
Rodelio Barcenas thanks for your time ha?
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Dan Vicera Suggestion, Introduce VOIP/PABX system in
the curriculum like Asterisk and Vicidial. Having an
experience with these two system will give you an edge when working
on a call center/BPO Industry.
Jerome Bassig yap.. kahit simulation lang, para magkaruon
ng idea ung mga future hopefuls how is it in the industry
mentioned above..
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Jessie Alipio The students should know what they really
wants, on programming orin hardware/designing of the
systems, because the school maybe can givelectures about designing
systems and not all about programming.so i suggest that the students
who are interested in system designing (includes configs in
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Rodelio Barcenas that's one good angle jessie --> the
students should really know what they want.
in reality, there is a big number of students still rising up to
the third year level who doesnt know what they really want.
Maybe kulang din ang department nang good information
system explaining and making them appreciate the course
they are taking...
The Elective offering should be more than usual, making
them pick which major they want to pursue...
thanks for the input
Rico M. Manalo we have started injecting the topic like
subnetting of ipv4 and introduction of ipv6 to advanced data
communication and router configuration to computer
engineering through packet tracer sad to say we dont have
cisco routers.
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joke lang...
Rodelio Barcenas yung luma na itatapon na
Rico M. Manalo Major projects of my students at the end of
the course Advanced data communication are to set up
diffrent servers using Linux like printer server, DHCP server,
FTP, DNS, HTTP server and database server..
Rodelio Barcenas or just simply convert the existing ITPRJ
to Capstone Project
Rodelio Barcenas yun naman description nun...
ITPRj -- IT Project
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Bitoy Mitra I would suggest that let the students realize
that hindi lang yung magaling sa pag code ang kelangan pag
labas mo. I've seen cases na kahit sobrang dami ng magaling na
programmers the project seems to go over the budget simply because
of the technical designs. I can say for myself that the most crucial part
of SDLC is the Planning and the Analysis dahil kapag jan pa lang tama
ang pagkaka gawa hindi ka na mag kaka problem sa design up to
implementation.
To the students, I suggest you take your english subject seriously.
You're going to benefit from it pag labas sa school. I was just
wondering kung bakit wala kaming technical writing nung time namin.
It would be such a great help.
Tandaan hindi habang buhay mag ccode ka.
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Rodelio Barcenas Thanks ... copy that...
Agree .... kahit may alam ka sa SOENG and SOPRJ mgt...
pag english ang prob... sablay ka.... tama ka diyan
Lalo na yung di ma express yung sarili at hirap magsalita.
Mas malalim na prob ito.
Until now yung iba natin IT grad may prob sa english...
Whew, madami dami itong trabaho... he he
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Rodelio Barcenas Tandaan hindi habang buhay mag ccode
ka. <--- I like this ... he he
Dan Vicera Bityo, I think we do have technical writing
before as part of the English subject. The problem is we take
it for granted...
Jerome Bassig tama, hindi ka laging nsa back-end ng
team..
Paolo Non Too much focus on programming.. Pay more
attention to the Hardware and OS aspect of IT. Being able to
install Linux on a server is different from managing it. Now think of
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managing more than 10000 Linux, Unix and Windows machines. Also
take note of virtualization as in-the-cloud technology is on the rise.
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Rodelio Barcenas Thanks for the input. Yes definitely the
directions of IT is moving towards the Cloud computing... In
some countries, they are downsizing the IT personnel
requirements.
this is a trouble in the near future. There would be lesser
requirements for programmers, etc.
I agree to the idea of giving attention to the managing part of
it... The cloud system does not work on single computers only
thanks paolo on the input... it just confirmed my thoughts
about it
Mikki Robiso Sir, I would also like to add working on 64-bit
OS environment and server clustering/load balancing on
server deployment and implementation. Also, fundamentals
on Linux OS filesystem, tools and configuration files which is
also essential on server management.
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Christian Jesus Cerillo How about Web Development?? I'm
currently using varieties of open source CMS like Drupal,
Joomla and Wordpress to provide website authoring and ease
management of Contents in web.. PHP still is the most powerful web
programming language but why not try introducing web frameworks
like Django(Python based). CSS3 and HTML...
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Rodelio Barcenas Hi, thanks for the inputs... currently we
are introducing PHP frameworks to the curriculum, MVC -
Model View Controllers.
CMS and other PHP based apps are doing it through
frameworks. PHP cake, Code Igniter...
Do you use frameworks...
Christian Jesus Cerillo I've tried using sir Code Igniter,
much better than any frameworks available. Tapos inaral ko
din Zend but I've find it difficult. Much better if the
programmer must come up with his own version of
framework. Important po kasi para mapabilis ang
programming.
Rodelio Barcenas I agree to that... Sir King too was having
problems with Zend.. Sir Alvin introduced this to an Elective
subject, MVC Model View Controllers... enjoy sila...
Siguro pa-train ko pa yung teacher regarding this
technology... Thanks very much...
Matt Lebrun I can't be there physically, but i'd love to
share some thoughts that might help. wWhere can I post?
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Rodelio Barcenas Anywhere... post or comment on other's
post
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Alvin Boki Java(J2EE) and Oracle PL/SQL. Software
engineering.
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Rodelio Barcenas Thanks alvin... any inputs? Something to
discuss?
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Alvin Boki new inputs incoming :)
Rodelio Barcenas thanks
Aletheia Maclang Sir, yung paggawa po ng documents...
From requirements gathering up to the maintenance of the
project. Na-experience ko po kasi sa work na mas mahirap gumawa
ng system kapag hindi clear yung requirements ng client... and
nasasayang yung time kapag pabago bago yung requirements lalo na
kapag walang proof kung ano talaga yung napag-usapan ng both
parties.
I used to work using .NET pero ngayon more on VBA ang ginagamit
ko.
Rodelio Barcenas Thanks aleth for the inputs... yan nga
talaga ang problem, not the programming side...
May ginawa kami sa SOENG413 lately na naging connected
siya sa actual stakeholder. Maybe a real hands on type
activity will help train students. Expand pa siguro....
SOENG413 more....
Aletheia Maclang yeap... hirap din magturn over ng mga
projects... lalo na kapag walang documents... kaya kapag
inexplain sakin yung process, kailangan maintindihan ko siya
kagad as a whole kasi po kapag hindi.. mammroblema na
ako kapag nagsupport ako ng system. :P
Tsaka sir, more problem solving sa programming... Not to
make them memorize the syntax, but to enhance their
problem solving. Since na-practice ako sa school ng
pagpprogram, I find it easier to develop a system kahit
anong technology gamitin kasi na-practice na ako sa
mag-analyze ng process tsaka kung pano siya ieexecute. :)
Friday at 12:19am · Like
Rodelio Barcenas Yup, marami na kayo nag sabi niyan...
thanks for the inputs, I have now more than enough reason
to scrutinize the contents of the programming and algorithms
Aletheia Maclang Onga sir eh, nung nasa college ako...
hirap na hirap ako sa programming... pero ngayon,
naninibago ako... kapag tinatanong nila ako kung nahihirapan
ba ako.. para sakin, parang hindi naman.. nagtatagal lang
ako sa paghanap kung ano yung tamang syntax.. hahaha...
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Jerome Bassig w3schools.com, solve ka na aleth, pero
sympre It still lies on the process flow that you want in you're
output.. Kasi minsan pansin ko din, tama naman ung code, un
nga lang mali ung output..
Giovanni Petrache mas mahirap gumawa ng system kapag
hindi clear yung requirements ng client....
- i regularly encounter this problem cause of language
barrier(talking to a french project manager who doesn't
speaks english that well). there are tickets assigned to me
that has no specs, and there are also bugs needed to be fix
but no explanation why it is a bug. what i do is, keep asking
questions till i understand the requirement and document it
and show it to him. we really cant rely on client in making the
documentation so we have to do it on our own.
Aletheia Maclang @Iyoy: kaya nga.. hehehe.. :) dapat
maexercise yung pag-create nila ng process... hindi sila dapat
magrely sa syntax.. :P hehehe... mas mahalaga yung
process flow. :P
Aletheia Maclang @Giovanni: I agree... usually I keep on
sending e-mails to the client to confirm kung yun yung
talagang gusto nilang ipagawa.. kasi kapag nagpabago bago
sila ng requirements, tapos wala kang document/proof na
maipapakita na iba yung pinag-usapan niyo... lagot ka..
hahha
Christian Tan | Mine's SAP-ABAP.
Rodelio Barcenas Any inputs re ABAP?
What is it? a database? SQL? or Other?
Rodelio Barcenas Medyo mahal ang SAP but I think there
is a work around... Meron nag punta dito from fast track
solutions and gave me the framework of SAP. I think the
reason why it will be harder for a grad to participate is
because of the many jargons in business operations.
I'm planning to introduce this
http://www.weberp.org/WeberpFeatures
This can be adapted by accounting, finit and MIS
Bitoy Mitra Since SAP is expensive why not for Sharepoint?
hehe
Christian Tan | ABAP is the programming language of SAP.
It says that the syntax is similar to COBOL (I have no idea
since I do not know COBOL) but for me, it has its similarities
with C, PHP and JAVA.
Rodelio Barcenas If that is a cobol language... we can
insert it in the electives.
Meron Open Cobol sa linux... which uses the same syntax as
the real COBOL
Rodelio Barcenas tama ba? COBOL is commonly used in
old banks? i.e. BPI
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Carlo Arcilla I just wanted to note that maybe it would
tremendously help the department if they will be
retrofitting/reorganizing the curriculum based on the current trends.
Most of us found ourselves in a middle of a jungle when we 1st set out
to work.
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Carlo Arcilla We will be more than happy to supply you with
inputs or maybe even personal work experiences so that
future alumni can arm themselves better after graduating.
Rodelio Barcenas Please be specific. Thanks for the
inputs...
Carlo Arcilla We are currently involved in SAP practice and
based on my experience so far, our curriculum was based on
an idea that students should be well equipped on all aspects
of technology within the scopes of IT. But I believe that
maybe being a sort of "jack of all trades" makes us "aces of
none." so maybe a little focus or maybe having a major in a
particular technology can greatly benefit to the student's
mastery of that practice.
Rodelio Barcenas OK. copy... our current free elective is
not really free elective... offering a large range topics can
help students choose their specializations... what do you
think?
Christian Tan | I agree with James. For me, the whole
Linux mania didn't help at all. We were made to believe that
we have the "edge" if we know Linux. I believe the
curriculum should focus more on what's REALLY out there in
the industry the likes of SAP, Oracle, Cisco -> knowing these
systems will really give you a headstart in playing the game.
Christian Tan | One more thing, since it is I.T., we should
give more focus in programming since that's what we're
expected to do when employers learn that we graduated
from that degree. Put the other subjects aside or atleast give
little emphasis on them. C, Java, PHP - the students need to
develop the art of analysis, logical thinking and programming.
Just my 2 cents.
Thursday at 11:35pm · Like ·
Carlo Arcilla That's a start sir. I was thinking the same
thing. Actually, issue samin yan back then. We hope that by
raising this issue, a proper elective system can finally be
established.
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Rodelio Barcenas Copy... Oracle ---> done Sir Alvin is
doing a great job now by integrating more DB in advance DB
subject;
Nagawan na niya yung Oracle but not implemented yet...
May plans din POSTGRE to be included.
Sir Rico is now introducing more inputs coming from CISCO.
Malayo na rin yung nadagdag niya. Baka may particular
requirements from CISCO?
Rodelio Barcenas @CHI I agree on the analysis, logical
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thinking. It will always matter a lot. Pag marunong ka niyan,
any programming language madali na lang... Technology
should just be the icing in the cake.
This would mean teachers handling subjects in the lower
years should have a real good curriculum...
Enjoy ako dito sa inputs ninyo... mababasa naman nila ito....
thanks
Christian Tan | Exactly Sir. Analysis and Logical thinking
are the keys. Programming language won't matter once you
master the keys. Which brings me to my point, spend more
time on programming not on arts, psychology et al. And what
really gave me a problem back then in college was
remembering the lessons discussed - I hope mabago yung
schedule. Make the major subjects (programming) run 3x a
week. Atleast 2 hours a day. Hasahin sila ng mabuti. Lunurin
sila sa programming. It is true that practice makes perfect.
More lab time. More exercises. Just to share, I learned
programming by using pen and paper only. Mahirap at first
pero when I switched into doing it on the computer, piece of
cake.
And please, NO MORE TAKE HOME QUIZZES/EXAMS.
Kudos to you Sir and the whole IT Department. I wish I was
able to experience Oracle and Cisco din. Mabenta sa
employer kasi when they see those in your resume.
Friday at 12:23am · Like
Rodelio Barcenas yup... same here... technology is just an
icing on the cake
Bitoy Mitra ok sana kung maka experience ng .NET ang
students since a lot of big enterprises uses this one mahal nga
lang.
.NET / SAP / Oracle would really make someone marketable.
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George Averilla WAN based technology from Cisco and IP
telephony sir Rodel. Also worked on internal knowledge
database for our team using PHP and MySQL to manage miscellaneous
but important client/customer information and files.
Rodelio Barcenas Copy.. We have Sir Rico now focusing on
CISCO, sayang nung time niyo wala pa siya sa atin. Thanks
for the input... It really helps
Rodelio Barcenas @ IP Telephony, I think we can add this
activity in our current advance datacomms... something like
asterisk?
yun nga lang we can only use soft phones. Mahal kasi yung
telephone cards... OK ba yun?
Rodelio Barcenas What about yung sa PHP? Currently we
are introducing Frameworks like Code Igniter, moving
towards PHP Cake? Yung Zend Framework medyo madugo
George Averilla Yup mahal lang talaga ang IP telephony
devices and related software to manage it. Yung sa PHP sir
nothing in advance...basic lang talaga siya for MACD of data.
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sa work...lagi ko quote sa mga workmate ko na kung andun
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programming lang sablay-sablay na panu pa kaya kung
naging relational type na...tsk tsk...
Rodelio Barcenas OK. Pansin ko rin even our current
students sablay ang DB Design... Medyo squeeze a little
siguro yung mga nagtuturo... more training sa faculty
George Averilla Sir like you said noon...no sense in
advancing to any technology if you have not understood by
heart its basic fundamentals.
Thursday at 11:35pm · Like ·
Giovanni Petrache @sir barcenas: if mahal ung devices,
why not make DIY devices. like reverse engineering and
innovate. make something more cheaper(which the chinese
are good at - i.e. china cheapo phones). i guess by making
our own devices we would able to learn more..
Rodelio Barcenas good input yan... nakalimutan ko nga
pala... bosconian trait yan... improvise
Mikki Robiso Sir add na rin po natin yung simulated routing
protocols like EIGRP, OSPF and BGP. Also familiarisation on
Layer 7 capable firewall technologies like Untangle or
PFSense.
Rodelio Barcenas copy... Layer 7 routing... a good one
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Rodelio Barcenas What IT technology are you working on
right now? Please give us the nature of your work and the
demands from you as a graduate.
Rodelio Barcenas Share us your experiences on your first
Job. Was the program able to make you competetive in the
workplace? Please share some suggestions here.
Rodelio Barcenas Alumni may post inputs here... so that
everyone can have a dose of discussions ahead of time
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