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W do Vehicle Lessors need
 hat
 before they can invest in
         ERTMS?
  Marnix Kerkhoff, Deputy President
    ERTMS Conference Lille, 6th
          November 2012
EPTTOLA
• European Passenger Train & Traction
  Operating Lessors’ Association
• Represents the interests of (private) train
  leasing companies that invest in and lease
  locomotives, passenger trains and
  wagons across Europe
• Asset life is typically 30 – 35 years
• Lessors are long-term players badly
  needing predictable RoIs
• Therefore, future cost for ERTMS on TEN
  (tests & authorisations) and upgrades
EPTTOLA Members
•   Alpha Trains
•   Angel Trains
•   Ascendos Rail Leasing
•   Beacon Rail Leasing
•   CBRail S.à r.l.
•   Eversholt Rail Group
•   Porterbrook Leasing Company
Operational Coverage
EPTTOLA Members’ Assets
•   Approximately 17,600 vehicles in total
•   Circa 12,350 Passenger vehicles
•   Circa 4,050 Freight wagons
•   Circa 1,200 Locomotives
•   Wide range of locomotive products
•   All types of heavy rail passenger stock
•   Customers range from small private
    operators to National Railways
EPTTOLA’s view on ERTMS
• Long term benefits are potentially large
  once a standard system is in place, but the
  development and roll out must be managed
  much stronger and with an urgent focus on
  the vehicles to avoid damage to Rail
  Competitiveness
• Just one vehicle retrofit for operation on
  entire TEN with known Lifecycle Cost in
  advance is a must
• Without that, there is currently no viable
  Business Case to (reto)fit ERTMS to Rolling
Where are we with regard to
           ERTMS? 1/  2
• It’s obvious that we need ERTMS in order
  to achieve Interoperability (TEN) => Rail
  Competiveness
• As ‘we’ noticed that there are difficulties
  rolling out ERTMS:
  – We are now trying to standardise testing
    procedures
  – We are now trying to standardise
    authorisation procedures
• Without having sorted this, future cost for
Where are we with regard to
           ERTMS? 2/  2
• ERTMS is certainly not a standard system yet
  – MSs can choose between 2.3.0d and Baseline 3
  – BL3 still has options: Euroloop / Toggling Tele
    Mode optional
    => Future Upgrades needed.....!?!?
• We are still facing local monopolies as regards
  Class B systems
  – Consequently, there is NO competitive supply base
    for ERTMS retrofit and consequentially prices/LCC
    still far too high
• MSs seem to ‘protect Infrastructure
  investments using 2.3.0d rather than choosing
  Baseline 3’, which means, that ongoing vehicle
  upgrades will be required if developments
How to achieve proper
•
       Interoperability withmust be developed
    Firstly, 1 EU Standard System
                                  ERTMS?
    urgently:
    – Testing Procedures for TEN/Class B lines to be
      streamlined & frozen
    – Authorisation Procedures for TEN/Class B lines to be
      streamlined & frozen
• Besides these issues, any new functional
  development beyond Baseline 3 shall be stopped
• In order that ‘Plug & Play’ Vehicle retrofitting is
  easily possible:
    – Standard Interfaces between ERTMS and Vehicles
      shall be developed
    – Standard Interfaces for ERTMS On Board
      Components shall be developed
• IF any functional changes needed anyhow, then
Next Steps 1/
                        2
• The Testing Requirements for entire TEN
  must be known urgently
  – Then the Industry can determine the cost
• A Master Plan for TEN authorisation
  procedures must be agreed VERY
  urgently
  – Then the Industry can determine the cost
• For the above, the link with all Class B
  systems is critical!!!
• If the link with Class B systems is
Next Steps 2/
                        2
• In order that the Business Case can be made
  properly, there must be concentrated effort
  on the transition period from ‘Class B to
  ERTMS only’
• If any retrofit subsidies will be made
  available, theses funds must be used to get
  closer to the standardised system and
  standardised links with Class B systems =>
  less Class B monopoly, more competiveness
• Rather than just getting A version of ERTMS
  again and again => consequent future
  upgrade problems/cost (experienced in NL,
EPTTOLA’s Conclusions 1/
                           3
• ERTMS can be a huge opportunity for Rail
  Transport but rather seems to be a threat
  as future cost are unknown at present
• ERTMS still isn’t stable enough from an
  economical point of view
• No Stability means No Investment in
  Retrofitting
• No Retrofitting means No Investment in
  New Vehicles either
• No Investment means No Private
EPTTOLA’s Conclusions 2/
                           3
• Investments in ERTMS can only be made
  on the basis of a proper Business Case
• Predictable Return on Investments is ‘holy’
• Lifecycle Cost for TEN Operation must be
  known in advance
• We must come to the s a m e Rule s a nd
  Re g ula tio n for all Member States => 1 EU
  Standardised System with standard
  components & interfaces
EPTTOLA’s Conclusions 3/
                            3
• Different/Stronger Management of
  Developments urgently needed!
• We must focus on stable On Board
  solutions and operational cost
• Once that is fully achieved, EPTTOLA
  Members will be more than happy to
  continue investing in Rolling Stock for
  Europe

• Keywords for all this: Clarity,
Thank you for your kind attention!

          Marnix Kerkhoff
        mkerkhoff@beaconrail.com


           www.epttola.eu

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20121101 Epttola Presentation Ertms Conf Nov 12 V2 0 Final

  • 1. W do Vehicle Lessors need hat before they can invest in ERTMS? Marnix Kerkhoff, Deputy President ERTMS Conference Lille, 6th November 2012
  • 2. EPTTOLA • European Passenger Train & Traction Operating Lessors’ Association • Represents the interests of (private) train leasing companies that invest in and lease locomotives, passenger trains and wagons across Europe • Asset life is typically 30 – 35 years • Lessors are long-term players badly needing predictable RoIs • Therefore, future cost for ERTMS on TEN (tests & authorisations) and upgrades
  • 3. EPTTOLA Members • Alpha Trains • Angel Trains • Ascendos Rail Leasing • Beacon Rail Leasing • CBRail S.à r.l. • Eversholt Rail Group • Porterbrook Leasing Company
  • 5. EPTTOLA Members’ Assets • Approximately 17,600 vehicles in total • Circa 12,350 Passenger vehicles • Circa 4,050 Freight wagons • Circa 1,200 Locomotives • Wide range of locomotive products • All types of heavy rail passenger stock • Customers range from small private operators to National Railways
  • 6. EPTTOLA’s view on ERTMS • Long term benefits are potentially large once a standard system is in place, but the development and roll out must be managed much stronger and with an urgent focus on the vehicles to avoid damage to Rail Competitiveness • Just one vehicle retrofit for operation on entire TEN with known Lifecycle Cost in advance is a must • Without that, there is currently no viable Business Case to (reto)fit ERTMS to Rolling
  • 7. Where are we with regard to ERTMS? 1/ 2 • It’s obvious that we need ERTMS in order to achieve Interoperability (TEN) => Rail Competiveness • As ‘we’ noticed that there are difficulties rolling out ERTMS: – We are now trying to standardise testing procedures – We are now trying to standardise authorisation procedures • Without having sorted this, future cost for
  • 8. Where are we with regard to ERTMS? 2/ 2 • ERTMS is certainly not a standard system yet – MSs can choose between 2.3.0d and Baseline 3 – BL3 still has options: Euroloop / Toggling Tele Mode optional => Future Upgrades needed.....!?!? • We are still facing local monopolies as regards Class B systems – Consequently, there is NO competitive supply base for ERTMS retrofit and consequentially prices/LCC still far too high • MSs seem to ‘protect Infrastructure investments using 2.3.0d rather than choosing Baseline 3’, which means, that ongoing vehicle upgrades will be required if developments
  • 9. How to achieve proper • Interoperability withmust be developed Firstly, 1 EU Standard System ERTMS? urgently: – Testing Procedures for TEN/Class B lines to be streamlined & frozen – Authorisation Procedures for TEN/Class B lines to be streamlined & frozen • Besides these issues, any new functional development beyond Baseline 3 shall be stopped • In order that ‘Plug & Play’ Vehicle retrofitting is easily possible: – Standard Interfaces between ERTMS and Vehicles shall be developed – Standard Interfaces for ERTMS On Board Components shall be developed • IF any functional changes needed anyhow, then
  • 10. Next Steps 1/ 2 • The Testing Requirements for entire TEN must be known urgently – Then the Industry can determine the cost • A Master Plan for TEN authorisation procedures must be agreed VERY urgently – Then the Industry can determine the cost • For the above, the link with all Class B systems is critical!!! • If the link with Class B systems is
  • 11. Next Steps 2/ 2 • In order that the Business Case can be made properly, there must be concentrated effort on the transition period from ‘Class B to ERTMS only’ • If any retrofit subsidies will be made available, theses funds must be used to get closer to the standardised system and standardised links with Class B systems => less Class B monopoly, more competiveness • Rather than just getting A version of ERTMS again and again => consequent future upgrade problems/cost (experienced in NL,
  • 12. EPTTOLA’s Conclusions 1/ 3 • ERTMS can be a huge opportunity for Rail Transport but rather seems to be a threat as future cost are unknown at present • ERTMS still isn’t stable enough from an economical point of view • No Stability means No Investment in Retrofitting • No Retrofitting means No Investment in New Vehicles either • No Investment means No Private
  • 13. EPTTOLA’s Conclusions 2/ 3 • Investments in ERTMS can only be made on the basis of a proper Business Case • Predictable Return on Investments is ‘holy’ • Lifecycle Cost for TEN Operation must be known in advance • We must come to the s a m e Rule s a nd Re g ula tio n for all Member States => 1 EU Standardised System with standard components & interfaces
  • 14. EPTTOLA’s Conclusions 3/ 3 • Different/Stronger Management of Developments urgently needed! • We must focus on stable On Board solutions and operational cost • Once that is fully achieved, EPTTOLA Members will be more than happy to continue investing in Rolling Stock for Europe • Keywords for all this: Clarity,
  • 15. Thank you for your kind attention! Marnix Kerkhoff mkerkhoff@beaconrail.com www.epttola.eu

Editor's Notes

  1. CR = ‘Change Request ‘ NR = ‘National Rule ‘
  2. .......................Sense & Simplicity!
  3. .......................Sense & Simplicity!