Symantec and Change Healthcare are experts in optimizing marketing budget to impact top line.
Hear firsthand their recipe for success and gain practical tips for driving organizational revenue whilst saving marketing time and money.
Join Oracle’s David Johnson and Allocadia’s Jeff Epstein on October 5th for a panel discussion with Symantec and Change Healthcare about the struggles they faced improving their marketing performance and how they have now upped their marketing game by:
- Saving critical time and improving internal efficiency during business planning season
- Building marketing plans and budgets that are aligned and measurable against corporate objectives
- Creating internal synchronization to streamline
- Making smart marketing decisions based on intelligent insights
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Summary answers to the Q&A portion of the webinar are provided below.
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Amanda Lomas
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Jeff Epstein
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16. Answer:
Gina @ Symantec
“Performance at Symantec is defined by best in class ROI and marketing funnel
conversion metrics, as well as meeting our marketing objectives and pipeline
targets for the year. We generally measure performance by tracking ROI,
holistically and at the campaign level, and by examining our funnel and
conversion metrics. We also make sure we're meeting our annual and quarterly
pipeline targets.”
17. Answer:
Amanda @ Change Healthcare
“Ultimately, it's going to come down to sales and revenue, but for my team in
marketing our role is really to bring new opportunities into the sales funnel.
Very similarly (to Symantec) we measure marketing qualified leads, sales qualified
leads, sales accepted leads, and then the conversion rates at each of those
thresholds. We also measure marketing attributed pipeline and of course
marketing ROI.”
18. Follow up Question:
David @ Oracle Marketing Cloud
“I have a frequent debate internally at Oracle Marketing Cloud that driving
revenue and marketing ROI are seen as equal priorities and of equal
importance. How do you view that at Change Healthcare and Symantec?”
19. Answer:
Amanda @ Change Healthcare
“Yeah, that's definitely a healthy debate for any crowd. Ultimately our job as a
company is to bring in new revenue, and marketing is certainly a large part of
that. But there's a lot of steps in between that need to happen in order to get
there including buying behaviors and lead scoring. That’s marketing. At the end
of the day, revenue is what pays our bills so definitely monitor the revenue
tracking on both the marketing-level and then even at the company-level to
guage how we're making an impact on the business.”
20. Answer:
Gina @ Symantec
“Yeah, I would second most of that. We're definitely looking at revenue
marketing sourced as well as ROI but there are a lot of pieces that happen
before that. There's a lot of focus on the funnel and the metrics there and making
sure that we're getting those right, which is ultimately going to drive revenue in
the end.”
22. Answer:
Gina @ Symantec
“I'd say there's continuous change within our organization. Recently we did
acquire Blue Coat so we're just beginning the discussions around integration of
their campaigns and our Symantec campaigns. Secondly, ‘user feedback’ is really
driving change within our marketing organization. We're listening to end users and
making enhancements to existing tools. We want to reduce the burden of
campaign creation for our end users because the ultimate goal is increasing their
efficiencies. We want to give the time back to them through increased efficiencies
via the campaign creation process and Allocadia”
*Amanda @ Change Healthcare had a by on this question due to a recent acquisition.
23. Follow up Question:
Jeff @ Allocadia
“I want to flip this question on it’s head and ask you about the obstacles to change
in your organization?”
24. Answer:
Gina @ Symantec
“The primary obstacle we're facing now is just the integration with Blue Coat.
It's a great opportunity for us and we’re really looking forward to that, but just
integrating everyone into the same tool is the challenge at the moment”
25. Follow up Question:
Jeff @ Allocadia
“Before we go to the next question, maybe you can tell us about some of the
things that you're thinking of for next year on the marketing operations side.
Some of the golden wishes you have, some of the big plans that Symantec's
looking to roll out?”
26. Answer:
Gina @ Symantec
“We want to be more proactive in our approach. Today we've kind of moved
from a more reactive decision making approach to being more proactive, and
being able to answer some of the budget questions in a more timely manner.
We want to build complete and accurate data that allows me to do more
predictive-type analysis, budget-trend analysis, and campaign optimization.”
28. Answer:
Amanda @ Change Healthcare
“We have evolved over time from at one point using a lot of different
spreadsheets to using one tool. We've been using Allocadia for several years
now, probably 3, 4, maybe longer, and it's been working really great.
Allocadia gives us the ability to organize (our budget) from our perspective so
that we're interacting with the data in a way that makes sense from our
standpoint as a marketer, but also to the finance team. I get a feed from our
finance team that integrates with Allocadia and we're able to have the best of
both worlds there. It's evolved to a pretty advanced process within our
organization but is very critical to how we interpret our marketing dollars.”
29. Answer:
Gina @ Symantec
“We've been using Allocadia for about a year at Symantec. Before Allocadia we
were operating in spreadsheets as well so it was a lot of different spreadsheets
being managed by different groups. We were then trying to combine that
information from multiple sources in order to answer even some of the basic
questions about budgeting and finances. We've definitely moved away from
that.
Before this we had a real lack of global alignment in our budget processes. We
had an inconsistent taxonomy. We have Allocadia as a single source for real
time, 24/7 visibility. We've come a long way since the spreadsheet days!”
30. Follow up question:
David @ Oracle Marketing Cloud
“How has that impacted your credibility in the organization with your finance
peers? Being able to be proactive versus the reactive nature that you were
previously.”
31. Answer:
Gina @ Symantec
“I think that we have definitely built a lot more confidence across all of marketing
and the relationship that we're building with finance as well. They feel confident
about what's being entered into Allocadia and how it ties with what they’re
reporting out as actuals. It's definitely built a lot of confidence and a connection
between the two departments. It’s important to keep that close relationship with
finance to make sure that we're in sync and they can rely on what their seeing in
Allocadia.”
32. Answer:
Amanda @ Change Healthcare
“Allocadia has definitely helped exponentially to build a better relationship with
the finance team. Not that it was bad before but now we’re partnering with them.
We worked to determine what sort of things we're going to watch to measure
from both a marketing and finance perspective and then set up our budgets in a
way that we can make that readily available whenever that information is
needed. I think it really helps to establish that dialogue and partnership but then
also have the flexibility to build it to those standards and work from that.”
33. Answer:
Jeff @ Allocadia
“Amanda you started earlier talking about the different views of the world
between marketing and finance and I think that's something that a lot of people
on this call can probably nod their head to and say yup, that's true. That is
something that Allocadia helps both teams work with. We help the marketing
team be more responsive and the finance team reconcile their end of period
information much more cleanly and effectively so they can both make better
decisions.”
35. Answer:
Gina @ Symantec
“I think change is hard for sure and I would say that really the majority of our
marketers were apprehensive and skeptical about it. We integrate Allocadia with
Salesforce so anything that is being planned and created from a campaign
perspective is sent to Salesforce. To help with the change we’ve conducted
several campaign creation training sessions along with budget and execution
training's. Keeping that close connection with our end users for a good period of
time has allowed us now to be at full capacity of marketing users within Allocadia.
You've got to keep the training and monitoring going. We've seen great
improvements. Now we're able to track all the budgets and targets in once place”
36. Answer:
Amanda @ Change Healthcare
“It's been a few years since we made the change over to Allocadia but when we
initially started it we had a small subset of super users that came together to
document what we considered as ‘must haves’, ‘nice to haves’, and ‘wow that
would be awesome’. We evaluated several different solutions, compared what
was going to work best for our team and chose Allocadia. Once we rolled it out
initially we spent a lot of time on user documentation that was very specific for
the way that our team was going to use the tool. We also met with the
marketing and finance teams to understand what we want to measure and
report out on going into the next budget year.”
37. Follow up question:
Jeff @ Allocadia
“A question came in from the audience that I want to pose now as a preview to
our next section. Can you give us an example of a tactic that was found to be
lacking due to the tracking you were doing in Allocadia while the campaign was
live?”
38. Answer:
Amanda @ Change Healthcare
“Our buying cycles for the products that we sell are a long sales cycles so there's
really not any immediate decisions that occur from an ROI standpoint on the fly.
However, when we're looking at our forecast, I have our Allocadia dashboard built
in a way that we can look and see the categories of spend where we have dollars
forecasted from a committed and then a not committed view. There we can make
changes and reallocate on the fly, if necessary."
39. Answer:
Gina @ Symantec
“I would say that I don't have a specific example either but as we're moving along
with Allocadia and getting all of our users into the tool we have developed the
investment tracking dashboard and the pipeline dashboard. We will be able to see
via these dashboards where our budgets are on track or off track. We can also drill
down to the level of where is the money being spent and on which campaigns. On
the pipeline tracking dashboard, we can see which ones are driving the best
pipelines.”
40. Answer:
Jeff @ Allocadia
“What's interesting there is the question presumes that you have visibility into
what you call ‘success metrics’. We know in the old days that might have meant
clicks, opens or those kinds of conversions but today we're really focused as
marketers to look at the return on investment from those campaigns. With
Allocadia you're able to look at those results from that financial perspective and
make that call. While you might hit your target on opens and clicks, if it didn't
result in the right amount of pipeline, the right amount of revenue, maybe that's a
campaign you don't want to do again next time”
42. Answer:
Gina @ Symantec
“I think we would definitely spend more time on campaign execution and face
time with customers, for sure. That would be a huge benefit.
We could also invest in other areas like perfecting our lead scoring model. We
would refine our analytics to allow for more predictive analysis which will
ultimately improve conversion rates and ROI.”
43. Answer:
Amanda @ Change Healthcare
“I think speaking to the greater company good and marketing team, we could
always use more persona-driven content for our campaigns. Great content to bring
in more people into our marketing funnel is always great and that helps generate
more MQLs. But, if we're talking my team specifically, I'm a bit of a data geek, so if
my team specifically was granted more budget dollars we would probably update
some of our marketing analytics software to create some pretty cool operational
dashboards.”
44. Follow up question:
David @ Oracle Marketing Cloud
“Would you invest it in technology and people and skills or one or the other or
how would you approach it?”
45. Answer:
Amanda @ Change Healthcare
“Probably all of the above. I have a really good team but there's definitely
always room to have others come help and allow us to spend more time
looking at our results and action, and building plans off of those.”
46. Follow up question:
David @ Oracle Marketing Cloud
“Gina, you had mentioned campaign execution. Are you thinking top of funnel
converting anonymous to known or lower end of funnel converting
perspective's into customers? and with that would you also invest in people or
technology or would you combo it?”
47. Answer:
Gina @ Symantec
“I think it would definitely be related to top of funnel metrics from a digital
perspective as well as turning prospects into customers. I think it would be
more events, driving the digital and net new customers there.”
49. Answer:
Gina @ Symantec
“Thinking about this from 2 perspectives; a business execution and strategy
perspective and a technology perspective. I'll start first with the business strategy
perspective. Keep a close relationship with finance and manage with a CMO in
mind. Think about the CMO's objectives and what types of questions that you
should be ready to answer on short notice.
From a technology perspective, I would say just think about whether the
investment is worth a gain. Understand that change management will be a huge
factor and then I would say implement, train, coach, and re-train your users. Also
make sure that you have a lasting technology partner with ongoing support.”
50. Answer:
Amanda @ Change Healthcare
“The first thing that I would recommend is to look at how your marketing budgets
will be managed going into that new budget year and what aspects the finance
team will want to measure from your budget.
The next thing is working with the business leads from marketing and sales to
agree on what metric you're going to be reporting out on. The last thing, which I
actually think might be one of the most important things is, don't be afraid to
remove previous process steps that don't add value to you or your team. If it's not
adding value to any of your reporting or to your current team then it's just creating
clutter.”
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