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   Finding Help             By this age the neuro-anatomic structures are present. What is needed is (1) a sensory ner
   Healing                  to feel the pain and send a message to (2) the thalamus, a part of the base of the brain, an
   Help For Reports         motor nerves that send a message to that area. These are present at 8 weeks. The pain
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                            Give an example.


                            Try sticking an infant with a pin and you know what happens. She opens her mouth to cry a
                            also pulls away.

                            Try sticking an 8 week old human fetus in the palm of his hand. He opens his mouth and pu
                            his hand away.

                            A more technical description would add that changes in heart rate and fetal movement also
                            suggest that intrauterine manipulations are painful to the fetus. Volman & Pearson, "What the Fetus
                            Feels," British Med. Journal, Jan. 26, 1980, pp. 233-234.


                            O.K., that is activity that can be observed, but is there other evidence of pain? After a
                            the fetal baby can’t tell us he hurts.

                            Pain can be detected when nociceptors (pain receptors) discharge electrical impulses to th
                            spinal cord and brain. These fire impulses outward, telling the muscles and body to react.
                            These can be measured. Mountcastle, Medical Physiology, St. Louis: C.V. Mosby, pp. 391-427 "Lip tactile
                            response may be evoked by the end of the 7th week. At 11 weeks, the face and all parts of
                            upper and lower extremities are sensitive to touch. By 13 1/2 to 14 weeks, the entire body
                            surface, except for the back and the top of the head, are sensitive to pain." S. Reinis & J. Goldm
                            The Development of the Brain C. Thomas Pub., 1980




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                          Give me more proof.

                          In 1984 President Reagan said: "When the lives of the unborn are snuffed out, they often fe
                          pain, pain that is long and agonizing." President Ronald Reagan to National Religious Broadcasters, New Y
                          Times, Jan. 31, 1984


                          This provoked a public reaction from pro-abortion circles and a response from an auspiciou
                          group of professors, including pain specialists and two past presidents of the American Col
                          of Obstetrics and Gynecology.

                          They strongly backed Mr. Reagan and produced substantial documentation. Excerpts of the
                          letter (2/13/84) to him included:

                          "Real time ultrasonography, fetoscopy, study of the fetal EKG (electrocardiogram) and feta
                          EEG (electroencephalogram) have demonstrated the remarkable responsiveness of the hu
                          fetus to pain, touch, and sound. That the fetus responds to changes in light intensity within
                          womb, to heat, to cold, and to taste (by altering the chemical nature of the fluid swallowed b
                          the fetus) has been exquisitely documented in the pioneering work of the late Sir William Li
                          the father of fetology."

                          We state categorically that no finding of modern fetology invalidates the remarkable conclu
                          drawn after a lifetime of research by the late Professor Arnold Gesell of Yale University. In
                          Embryology of Behavior: The Beginnings of the Human Mind (1945, Harper Bros.), Dr. Ges
                          wrote, "and so by the close of the first trimester the fetus is a sentient, moving being. We n
                          not speculate as to the nature of his psychic attributes, but we may assert that the organiza
                          of his psychosomatic self is well under way."

                          Mr. President, in drawing attention to the capability of the human fetus to feel pain, you stan
                          on firmly established ground. Willke, J & B, Abortion: Questions & Answers, Hayes, 1991, C
                          10

                          What of The Silent Scream?

                          A Realtime ultrasound video tape and movie of a 12- week suction abortion is commercially
                          available as, The Silent Scream, narrated by Dr. B. Nathanson, a former abortionist. It
                          dramatically, but factually, shows the pre-born baby dodging the suction instrument time aft
                          time, while its heartbeat doubles in rate. When finally caught, its body being dismembered,
                          baby’s mouth clearly opens wide — hence, the title (available from Heritage House '76 at
                          http:www.heritagehouse76.com). Proabortionists have attempted to discredit this film. A we
                          documented paper refuting their charges is available from National Right to Life, 419 7th St
                          NW, Washington, DC 20004, $2.00 p.p. A short, 10-minute video showing the testimony of
                          doctor who did the abortion in Silent Scream definitely debunks any criticism of Silent Screa
                          accuracy. The Answer, Bernadel, Inc., P.O. Box 1897, Old Chelsea Station, New York, NY,
                          10011.

                          Pain? What of just comfort?

                          "One of the most uncomfortable ledges that the unborn can encounter is his mother’s
                          backbone. If he happens to be lying so that his own backbone is across hers [when the mo
                          lies on her back], the unborn will wiggle around until he can get away from this highly
                          disagreeable position." M. Liley & B. Day, Modern Motherhood, Random House, 1969, p. 42

                          But isn’t pain mostly psychological?

                          There is also organic, or physiological pain which elicits a neurological response to pain. P.
                          Lubeskind, "Psychology & Physiology of Pain," Amer. Review Psychology, vol. 28, 1977, p. 42


                          But early on there is no cerebral cortex for thinking, therefore no pain?

                          The cortex isn’t needed to feel pain. The thalamus is needed and (see above) is functioning
                          8 weeks. Even complete removal of the cortex does not eliminate the sensation of pain.
                          "Indeed there seems to be little evidence that pain information reaches the sensory cortex."
                          Patton et al., Intro. to Basic Neurology, W. B. Saunders Co. 1976, p. 178


                          How about during an abortion?



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                          This really hit the fan during the 1996 debate in the U.S. Congress over a law to ban partial
                          birth abortions. Pro-abortionists had claimed that the anaesthetic had already killed the feta
                          baby. Top officials of the U.S.

                          Society for Obstetric Anaesthesia & Perinatology vigorously denied this explaining that usu
                          anaesthesia did not harm the baby. D. Gianelli, Anaesthesiologists Question Claims in Abortion Debate, Am.
                          News, Jan. 1, ’96


                          This brought the issue of fetal pain into the news, and testimony was given to the
                          Subcommittee on the Constitution of the U.S. House of Representatives.

                          "The fetus within this time frame of gestation, 20 weeks and beyond, is fully capable of
                          experiencing pain. Without doubt a partial birth abortion is a dreadfully painful experience fo
                          any infant. R. White, Dir. Neurosurgery & Brain Research, Case Western Univ.

                          Also, "Far from being less able to feel pain, such premature newborns may be more sensiti
                          to pain"...that babies under 30 weeks have a "newly established pain system that is raw an
                          unmodified at this tender age." P. Ranalli, Neuro. Dept., Univ. of Toronto

                          Give me more research data.

                          Data in the British Medical Journal, Lancet, gave solid confirmation of such pain. It is known
                          that the fetal umbilical cord has no pain receptors such as the rest of the fetal body.
                          Accordingly, they tested fetal hormone stress response comparing puncturing of the abdom
                          and of the cord.

                          They observed "the fetus reacts to intrahepatic (liver) needling with vigorous body and
                          breathing movements, but not to cord needling. The levels of these hormones did not vary w
                          fetal age." M. Fisk, et al., Fetal Plasma Cortisol and B-endorphin Response to Intrauterine Needling, Lancet, Vol. 344
                          9, 1994, Pg. 77


                          Another excellent British study commented on this:

                          "It cannot be comfortable for the fetus to have a scalp electrode implanted on his skin, to ha
                          blood taken from the scalp or to suffer the skull compression that may occur even with
                          spontaneous delivery. It is hardly surprising that infants delivered by difficult forceps extract
                          act as if they have a severe headache." Valman & Pearson, "What the Fetus Feels," British Med. Jour., Jan
                          1980




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                                              Table of contents                        Preface

                                              1 – The Situation                        23 – Breast Cancer
                                              2 – The Three Questions                  24 – Fetal Handicap and Infanticide
                                              3 – How To Teach The Pro-Life Story      25 – Euthanasia
                                              4 – Discrimination                       26 – Choice?
                                              5 – Something Old, Something New         27 – Illegal Abortions
                                              6 – Two Infamous Days in the U.S.A.      28 – Parental Notification/Becky Bell
                                              7 – Legal Pre-Roe                        29 – Rape
                                              8 – Post Roe Vs. Wade                    30 – Impose Morality?.
                                              9 – Health                               31 – Unwanted
                                              10 – Human Life?                         32 – The West Is Dying?
                                              11 – The Human Embryo                    33 – Women Helping Centers
                                              12 – Fetal Development                   34 – Adoption
                                              13 – Viability                           35 – Contraception
                                              14 – Fetal Pain                          36 – Violence? Or A Protective Ring
                                              15 – In Vitro Fertilization              37 – Doctors & Nurses
                                              16 – Embryo/Fetal Experimentation        38 – Words
                                              17 – How Many?                           39 – Polls
                                              18 – What Kind and How?                  40 – The Media
                                              19 – Very Early Abortions                41 – Capital Punishment/War
                                              20 – Maternal Complications/Immediate.   42 – Pro-Abortion Org./Planned Parenthood
                                              21 – Deaths & Long-Term Complications.   43 – Tax-Funded Abortions
                                              22 – Neonatal & Childhood Sequelae       44 – What To Do




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Why Can't We Love Them Both

  • 1. Why Can't We Love Them Both? On Line Book by Dr. and Mrs. Willke. Σελίδα 1 από 4 I Need Help Fast Abortion information you can use... 1-800-395-HELP I am Pro-Choice I am Pro-Life I'm not Sure WHY CAN'T WE LOVE THEM BOTH Quick Facts Making Your Decision by Dr. and Mrs. J.C. Willke Search This Site Abortion Arguments CHAPTER 14 Abortion Survivors Abortionists Speak Adoption FETAL PAIN Baby Hall of Fame Abortion and the Bible YES AND BY 8 WEEKS Breast Cancer Contraceptives Effects of Abortion By 8 weeks? Show me! Euthanasia Finding Help By this age the neuro-anatomic structures are present. What is needed is (1) a sensory ner Healing to feel the pain and send a message to (2) the thalamus, a part of the base of the brain, an Help For Reports motor nerves that send a message to that area. These are present at 8 weeks. The pain History impulse goes to the thalamus. It sends a signal down the motor nerves to pull away from th Legal Arguments hurt. Literature Links - Over 300! Partial Birth Abortion Planned Parenthood Post Abortion Syndrome Prenatal Development Safe Sex Statistics Techniques Testimonies Ultrasounds Violence How to Link Us Home Table of Contents Give an example. Try sticking an infant with a pin and you know what happens. She opens her mouth to cry a also pulls away. Try sticking an 8 week old human fetus in the palm of his hand. He opens his mouth and pu his hand away. A more technical description would add that changes in heart rate and fetal movement also suggest that intrauterine manipulations are painful to the fetus. Volman & Pearson, "What the Fetus Feels," British Med. Journal, Jan. 26, 1980, pp. 233-234. O.K., that is activity that can be observed, but is there other evidence of pain? After a the fetal baby can’t tell us he hurts. Pain can be detected when nociceptors (pain receptors) discharge electrical impulses to th spinal cord and brain. These fire impulses outward, telling the muscles and body to react. These can be measured. Mountcastle, Medical Physiology, St. Louis: C.V. Mosby, pp. 391-427 "Lip tactile response may be evoked by the end of the 7th week. At 11 weeks, the face and all parts of upper and lower extremities are sensitive to touch. By 13 1/2 to 14 weeks, the entire body surface, except for the back and the top of the head, are sensitive to pain." S. Reinis & J. Goldm The Development of the Brain C. Thomas Pub., 1980 http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_14.asp 28/3/2008
  • 2. Why Can't We Love Them Both? On Line Book by Dr. and Mrs. Willke. Σελίδα 2 από 4 Give me more proof. In 1984 President Reagan said: "When the lives of the unborn are snuffed out, they often fe pain, pain that is long and agonizing." President Ronald Reagan to National Religious Broadcasters, New Y Times, Jan. 31, 1984 This provoked a public reaction from pro-abortion circles and a response from an auspiciou group of professors, including pain specialists and two past presidents of the American Col of Obstetrics and Gynecology. They strongly backed Mr. Reagan and produced substantial documentation. Excerpts of the letter (2/13/84) to him included: "Real time ultrasonography, fetoscopy, study of the fetal EKG (electrocardiogram) and feta EEG (electroencephalogram) have demonstrated the remarkable responsiveness of the hu fetus to pain, touch, and sound. That the fetus responds to changes in light intensity within womb, to heat, to cold, and to taste (by altering the chemical nature of the fluid swallowed b the fetus) has been exquisitely documented in the pioneering work of the late Sir William Li the father of fetology." We state categorically that no finding of modern fetology invalidates the remarkable conclu drawn after a lifetime of research by the late Professor Arnold Gesell of Yale University. In Embryology of Behavior: The Beginnings of the Human Mind (1945, Harper Bros.), Dr. Ges wrote, "and so by the close of the first trimester the fetus is a sentient, moving being. We n not speculate as to the nature of his psychic attributes, but we may assert that the organiza of his psychosomatic self is well under way." Mr. President, in drawing attention to the capability of the human fetus to feel pain, you stan on firmly established ground. Willke, J & B, Abortion: Questions & Answers, Hayes, 1991, C 10 What of The Silent Scream? A Realtime ultrasound video tape and movie of a 12- week suction abortion is commercially available as, The Silent Scream, narrated by Dr. B. Nathanson, a former abortionist. It dramatically, but factually, shows the pre-born baby dodging the suction instrument time aft time, while its heartbeat doubles in rate. When finally caught, its body being dismembered, baby’s mouth clearly opens wide — hence, the title (available from Heritage House '76 at http:www.heritagehouse76.com). Proabortionists have attempted to discredit this film. A we documented paper refuting their charges is available from National Right to Life, 419 7th St NW, Washington, DC 20004, $2.00 p.p. A short, 10-minute video showing the testimony of doctor who did the abortion in Silent Scream definitely debunks any criticism of Silent Screa accuracy. The Answer, Bernadel, Inc., P.O. Box 1897, Old Chelsea Station, New York, NY, 10011. Pain? What of just comfort? "One of the most uncomfortable ledges that the unborn can encounter is his mother’s backbone. If he happens to be lying so that his own backbone is across hers [when the mo lies on her back], the unborn will wiggle around until he can get away from this highly disagreeable position." M. Liley & B. Day, Modern Motherhood, Random House, 1969, p. 42 But isn’t pain mostly psychological? There is also organic, or physiological pain which elicits a neurological response to pain. P. Lubeskind, "Psychology & Physiology of Pain," Amer. Review Psychology, vol. 28, 1977, p. 42 But early on there is no cerebral cortex for thinking, therefore no pain? The cortex isn’t needed to feel pain. The thalamus is needed and (see above) is functioning 8 weeks. Even complete removal of the cortex does not eliminate the sensation of pain. "Indeed there seems to be little evidence that pain information reaches the sensory cortex." Patton et al., Intro. to Basic Neurology, W. B. Saunders Co. 1976, p. 178 How about during an abortion? http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_14.asp 28/3/2008
  • 3. Why Can't We Love Them Both? On Line Book by Dr. and Mrs. Willke. Σελίδα 3 από 4 This really hit the fan during the 1996 debate in the U.S. Congress over a law to ban partial birth abortions. Pro-abortionists had claimed that the anaesthetic had already killed the feta baby. Top officials of the U.S. Society for Obstetric Anaesthesia & Perinatology vigorously denied this explaining that usu anaesthesia did not harm the baby. D. Gianelli, Anaesthesiologists Question Claims in Abortion Debate, Am. News, Jan. 1, ’96 This brought the issue of fetal pain into the news, and testimony was given to the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the U.S. House of Representatives. "The fetus within this time frame of gestation, 20 weeks and beyond, is fully capable of experiencing pain. Without doubt a partial birth abortion is a dreadfully painful experience fo any infant. R. White, Dir. Neurosurgery & Brain Research, Case Western Univ. Also, "Far from being less able to feel pain, such premature newborns may be more sensiti to pain"...that babies under 30 weeks have a "newly established pain system that is raw an unmodified at this tender age." P. Ranalli, Neuro. Dept., Univ. of Toronto Give me more research data. Data in the British Medical Journal, Lancet, gave solid confirmation of such pain. It is known that the fetal umbilical cord has no pain receptors such as the rest of the fetal body. Accordingly, they tested fetal hormone stress response comparing puncturing of the abdom and of the cord. They observed "the fetus reacts to intrahepatic (liver) needling with vigorous body and breathing movements, but not to cord needling. The levels of these hormones did not vary w fetal age." M. Fisk, et al., Fetal Plasma Cortisol and B-endorphin Response to Intrauterine Needling, Lancet, Vol. 344 9, 1994, Pg. 77 Another excellent British study commented on this: "It cannot be comfortable for the fetus to have a scalp electrode implanted on his skin, to ha blood taken from the scalp or to suffer the skull compression that may occur even with spontaneous delivery. It is hardly surprising that infants delivered by difficult forceps extract act as if they have a severe headache." Valman & Pearson, "What the Fetus Feels," British Med. Jour., Jan 1980 WHY CAN'T WE LOVE THEM BOTH About Life Issues Life Issues Home Page How Can I Support Life Issues Institute? Table of contents Preface 1 – The Situation 23 – Breast Cancer 2 – The Three Questions 24 – Fetal Handicap and Infanticide 3 – How To Teach The Pro-Life Story 25 – Euthanasia 4 – Discrimination 26 – Choice? 5 – Something Old, Something New 27 – Illegal Abortions 6 – Two Infamous Days in the U.S.A. 28 – Parental Notification/Becky Bell 7 – Legal Pre-Roe 29 – Rape 8 – Post Roe Vs. Wade 30 – Impose Morality?. 9 – Health 31 – Unwanted 10 – Human Life? 32 – The West Is Dying? 11 – The Human Embryo 33 – Women Helping Centers 12 – Fetal Development 34 – Adoption 13 – Viability 35 – Contraception 14 – Fetal Pain 36 – Violence? Or A Protective Ring 15 – In Vitro Fertilization 37 – Doctors & Nurses 16 – Embryo/Fetal Experimentation 38 – Words 17 – How Many? 39 – Polls 18 – What Kind and How? 40 – The Media 19 – Very Early Abortions 41 – Capital Punishment/War 20 – Maternal Complications/Immediate. 42 – Pro-Abortion Org./Planned Parenthood 21 – Deaths & Long-Term Complications. 43 – Tax-Funded Abortions 22 – Neonatal & Childhood Sequelae 44 – What To Do http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_14.asp 28/3/2008
  • 4. Why Can't We Love Them Both? On Line Book by Dr. and Mrs. Willke. Σελίδα 4 από 4 For Your Reference Page: All content on this site is individually authored. The site is was made by Heritage House '76 by using many different reputable sources. Most brochures that are © Heritage House 76 can be referenced with the author of Michael Monahan. Copyright 2006. Heritage House '76, Inc. All rights reserved. Sponsored by Heritage Hous Contact Us | Our Mission http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_14.asp 28/3/2008