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They can be made from various materials, including metal, leather, or even more modern materials like Kevlar. It can cover different parts of the body, such as the torso, limbs, and head, depending on the specific needs of the wearer and the type of combat they anticipate encountering.
With the advent of firearms in the early modern period, armor underwent significant changes. Plate armor became less practical against bullets, leading to the development of lighter, more flexible designs like the cuirassier armor worn by cavalry units. These were often made from hardened leather or metal plates to provide protection while maintaining mobility.
The image presented herein is of a type of armor designed for use on horseback when armed with pistols and swords, known as Cuirassier Armor.
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The design and construction of armor have evolved over time in response to changes in warfare, technology, and materials available.
An armor is a ‘protective covering’ worn to protect the body from weapons. Armors have been used throughout history by soldiers, warriors, and knights to shield themselves from various forms of attack, such as swords, arrows, and projectiles.
They can be made from various materials, including metal, leather, or even more modern materials like Kevlar. It can cover different parts of the body, such as the torso, limbs, and head, depending on the specific needs of the wearer and the type of combat they anticipate encountering.
With the advent of firearms in the early modern period, armor underwent significant changes. Plate armor became less practical against bullets, leading to the development of lighter, more flexible designs like the cuirassier armor worn by cavalry units. These were often made from hardened leather or metal plates to provide protection while maintaining mobility.
The image presented herein is of a type of armor designed for use on horseback when armed with pistols and swords, known as Cuirassier Armor.
This particular type of suit of armor was used extensively during the Thirty Years’ War (1618-1648). Note the lack of defenses on the lower legs, as these would normally have been guarded by tall leather boots.
A Proposed Alternative to the Hoplite DebateMike Lally
This is a paper I wrote for a class in Ancient Mediterranean History. I examine the "hoplite debate" as described by Donald Kagan in "Men of Bronze" and recommend an alternative approach that combines the points of the orthodox and revisionists.
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See the YouTube video: https://youtu.be/JjNcyLo54ko
(After 12/31/21 at 2 PM)
We discuss:
• Discussing the Greek hoplite infantry forces, the Persian infantry forces, and the Greek Trireme ships in both the Greek and Persian Ionian navies.
• The story of King Amyntas, Prince Alexander of Macedon, and how the hubris of the Persian envoys led to their demise.
• Aristagoras and the Ionian Revolt against the Persians, and why it failed.
• How the Persians demanded offerings of earth and water as a sign of submission.
• The destruction of the first Persian fleet of King Darius by the winds blowing off Mount Athos.
• The Persian defeat by the Athenian hoplites at the Battle of Marathon.
• How the mostly Spartan band of 300, led by King Leonides, held off the Persian Army at the Pass of Thermopylae, until a traitor showed a mountain trail bypassing the pass.
• How the Athenian and Greek triremes defeated the might Persian Navy at the Battle of Salamis, and the role Themistocles played in this victory.
• The despairing messages of the Oracle at Delphi to the Athenians.
• How the Persians burned the evacuated city of Athens and its temples.
• How Mardonius promised to Xerxes his army would defeat the Greeks, Mardonius died in battle and the Persian army was massacred at the Battle of Platea.
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Zeus dispatches an unreal dream about Troy being no longer an issue since he would assist in fulfilling the promise to assist the Trojans. The following day, rather than Agamemnon delivering the information that he received from the god, he thinks that he can challenge the warriors’ loyalty by using a test (2.46-134). Thus, he lies and advises them to forego the war and return to their homeland. The warriors directly run into their ships. When Hera notices the Achaeans running away, she notifies Athena who then advises Odysseus, who is the cleverest Achaean, to ask the warriors to go back. Odysseus shouts a quote of inspiration and disgrace to goad the soldiers, thus restoring their confidence. Agamemnon has been taken advantage of by the gods due to his bright false ideas (2.135-324). From this, we can infer that the heroic Greek community has a shame-oriented hierarchy. It is also an aristocratic society where all members are aware of their place within the community.
From this passage, the reader infers that there are many words that can be used to describe the heroic Greek society depicted in Homer’s the Iliad, and physiognomic is one of them. Throughout the entire epic poem, characters are introduced based on their looks or their god-like ability. In Book 2, Thersites is described as,
Here was the ugliest man who ever came to Troy.
Bandy-legged he was, with one foot clubbed,
both shoulders humped toge.
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1. Warfare in Mycenaean times:
the Iliad as a paradigm and
the emerging applications of
experimental archeology
Research: Dr M. E. Kambouris#*
Presentation: Christos Boutsidis #
Graphics-Art: Ilias Boltsis*
# Koryvantes Association, Athens
*Laboratory of Molecular Biology
and Immunology, University of Patras
2. Abstract
Read without prejudice, the Homeric poems present
information on the Bronze Age warfare more elaborately
than Egyptian, Hatti /Mycenean records / tablets.
Geopolitics, alliances, armies’ sizes, organization and
deployment, troop types, tactics, chain of command are
mentioned explicitly.
Cross-examination with other literary and material
evidence might prove enlightening.
Some issues need reenactment and experimental
archaeology/history approach to determine;
such are the dressing of battle lines, the proper use of
weapons, the fabrication of weaponry and the implicated
metallurgy, a dark, debased but godly art.
3. Introduction
The cohesion of military information indicates that the
author of the Iliad had contemporary, accurate information
as tactics and injuries cannot be imagined.
Inconsistencies may be due to corruption through the ages-long
oral transmission or forgery (i.e. ΧΙΙΙ-685).
Conventional Archaeology provides material evidence for
verification of the claim; to the same end, Experimental
Archaeology offers procedures.
4. Geopolitics
Achaeans: from Macedonia to Cyprus (ΧΙ-21) minus Acarnania and NW
Peloponnese.
Trojans and allies: from the Axios River in Macedonia (II-848, XVI-288) to Lycia in
SW Asia Minor (II-876), and to the river Sagarius (III-187) in Asia Minor.
Central aegean isles (Chios, Samos, Kos, Cyclades): status unknown
5. Armies' organization-I: Trojans
Trojan and allied army: feudal conglomerate
Commander: the Lord of the Hosts of Troy, Prince Hector
Allied contingents arrived just before his offering battle
(XIII-364, XXI-156), and continue so by the day (XXII-434).
Basic unit of 50 men, size 50.000 (1.000 campfires, with 50
men around each; XVIII-558/9).
6. Armies' organization-II: Acheans
Greek army: NOT feudal conglomerate
Commander: C-in-C High king Agamemnon.
Field commander: Achilles (indicated in XXIV-651/8 and
directly stated in iii-106).
Basic unit of 50 men (IV-393), as crew of basic ship (XVI-
170).
There are larger ships of 120 troops (II-510); and 20-oared
(I-309).
Tactical units (Lochoi) 500-strong in Achilles’ own
contingent (XVI-168/72).
7. Medical corps
Greeks: medical Corps, with two asclepiad brothers (IV-
193), the surgeon Machaon and the Internist Podaleirios
(XI-832/5).
Some warriors (Achilles, Patroclus, Sthenelus etc) offer first
aids, wound care (XI-830) and analgesic medication.
Nothing divine or miraculous.
Trojans: The Gods, in their temples or ad hoc offer
miraculous healing (XVI-528/9, V-446/8)- healthcare at the
hands of the priesthood, mostly of Apollo.
A Trojan noble or follower can bandage a wound to stop the
bleeding or deterioration (XIII-599/600) but no more.
8. Troop types-I
Both armies depend on the heavily armored noble; either
charioteer, the hippotes (XIV-52) “eqeta” of the tablets
(knight), or on foot (Odysseus).
The best warriors combine heavy armor with mobility; both
Achilles and Hector are fleet of foot, excellent charioteers,
big of stature.
The Trojans have medium infantry, chariot runners (XV-517)
pryleis, archers and chariotry (II-810) hippeis.
9. Troop types-II
The Greeks additionally field heavy shielded infantry for
static defense, personified by Ajax the Great- a commodity
never implied for the Trojans.
Many Greek first-line nobles do not possess or use a
chariot. They fight with javelin and heavy armor
(Odysseus), or in ways unsuitable to and incompatible with
chariotry, although from close range (Ajax the Lesser).
10. Weaponry-I: Spears
The warrior uses a general purpose spear (dory) for casting
and thrusting (XIII-559), mostly carried in pairs (XVI-139).
Trojans and Greeks use chariotry lances with massive
warheads (egxea) for thrusting and cutting. Hector’s at VIII-
494 measures 11 cubits; Achilles’, passed from from his
father, can’t be wielded by anyone else (XVI-140/3).
Medium infantry: helmet, spear, shield, sword (XIII-714/5).
The greek dense phalanx (XIV-372/3) uses long spears- the
two-hand lances of the Hunting Dagger and the egxeiai of
the tablets; better suited for intercepting chariotry.
Mace primary weapon of 3 Greek lore characters: 1)
Arithous, (VII-137/41); 2) one bandit killed by Theseus
(Periphetes) and 3) Hercules.
11. Weaponry-II: Shields
Both enemies use round shields (XIII-715) of hide or metal,
possibly including double-grip ones reminiscent of later
argive shields (Pylos frescoes).
Crescent shields- laiseia (V-453) as in the “Warrior vase”-
single grip, reminiscent of later pelte.
8-figure bodyshields of hide, covered by bronze or plain in
use in both armies (Hector XIII-803, Menelaus XVII-7).
The tower shield (sakos, greek for rectangular-ish) par
exelance is of Ajax the Great (VII-219/22). Such shields are
not mentioned for Trojans.
Although panoplies are routinely penetrated, the shields are
more resilient. Archery is never mentioned to pierce shields.
12. Weaponry-III: Sidearms
The use of secondary weapons is important, after the spear is cast
or broken.
One mention of the straight ax, in Trojan ally's use (XIII-612 axine).
Regular axes (pelekeis) mentioned along straight ones in heavy
fighting (XV-711) and lumbering (XXIII-114).
The usual choice is the sword. Three models/words:
The heavy, long, sturdy, double use aor, which both pierces
(XXI-179/80) and chops limbs and severs (XX-481/3) or splits
heads through armor (XX-474/5).
The very long, thrusting fasganon (VIII-88), (“pakana” in the
tablets) may reach through a bodyshield (a reason for copper-covered
bodyshields (Hector’s 8-figured, XIII-804 Ajax’s
tower VII-222/3).
The short weapon of light troops in frescoes: Xiphos
(Y-284) (“kisiphe” in the tablets).
13. Weaponry-IV: Panoply
Helmet MIGHT be included in the basic kit in the Epics
(XIII-714/5); IS included in the frescoes.
The armor of nobles is plate bronze or copper,
The "copper tunic" (XIII-439) of one elder Trojan implies
scaled panoply being rare and obsolete.
Greeks typically use greaves in frescoes and in epics (see
XI-17: “well-made”, “white”).
Trojans are seldom mentioned to using greaves.
14. Tactics-I
Opposing armies stop at a distance and exchange missile
fire (XV-711); skirmishers, jump in between and strike
targets of opportunity (XIII-559).
After exchange has softened up the one opponent, the
other one charges (XI-85/90).
The advantage with the offensive weapons. Shields and
armor are often penetrated (IV-133/5).
Greeks can do tight phalanx formations (XIII-130/131, XVI-
352/65); the Trojans cannot imitate, nor break them.
Achilles favors charge and clash (XX-354/5).
15. Tactics-II
Greeks despise archery but have good snipers (the troops
of Philoktetes, II-720); Teukros and Ajax exemplify the pair
of heavy shield bearer-archer (VIII-266/72); the Locrians fire
en masse (XIII-712/22), from behind the storm troops' lines.
The Trojans attacking under low visibility due to fog, mist
and wind (XV-668/70, Ρ-645/50) follows Sun Tzu.
The Greeks perform better in good visibility, due to numbers
and tactical efficiency discipline and drill.
For the Greeks chariotry fighting in jousts (as Nestor
advocates, IV-306/7) was outdated.
16. Experimental archaeology
&history
Applicability in reenactment or simulation has absolute
positive diagnostic power.
Not negative, nor indicative. The ancients may have done
it otherwise and knew better....
Which verification procedure? Two available
i) Sweating it out (imagination, open-mindedness and
motivated people are needed)
ii) Hammer/bake it out (more elaborate skills, schemes
and equipment are needed).
17. Experimental archaeology & history
Sweating it out
Deployment of body- shields with extra-long lances (egxeiae). Close
phalanx, vulnerable to chariotry onslaught, open deployment to skirmishers.
Teamwork of lances, individual protection?
The follow of the fighter to his spearcast, to retrieve the weapon (in XIII-512
Idomeneus can’t do it) or switch to sidearm. Practice reminiscent of current
air combat.
A kind of martial art with weapons is implied in Achilles’ rampage (XX-
455/89) and in Tudeus killing all alone a unit (50 men) ambushing him (IV-
393).
The usual choice is the sword. Though, swords often break (III-363). Flimsy
thrusting fasganon implied instead of the heavy aor? During the middle ages
the main kind of straight sword was triangular and long but still excellent
cutting weapon. Why fasganon can’t be?
18. Experimental archaeology & history
Hammering it out
Are the greaves copper/bronze? The Greeks are mentioned as "having
white greaves" or as having “nice greaves“. But the white argive greave, is
it painted? What is the metal of Achilles' ones, staving off a direct spear-cast
XXI-558/60)? Tin (XXI-558) does not convince. Is there any other,
white metal?
Mycenaean weaponry of copper or of bronze/brass? Copper is not
durable, but this is for pure copper. Greek ore copper’s admixtures
provide readily a rather robust product. Chemical analyses of
archeological findings may show tin was not needed for military-grade but
for utensils to forestall poisoning.
The restoration of the shield of Achilles. Copper, tin and gold used in 2/2/1
ratio (XX-270/2). In what order? Where was Gold? The layers of copper
and tin where successive, palindromes or tandem?
Is the 2/2/1 ratio by chance defining some alloy, instead of describing
successive layers? This explains why no layer order is mentioned-and
agrees with analysis of black parts of bronze weapons.