“They wouldn’t listen….”
Why do patients sue doctors?
  Angela Melville – angela.l.melville@iisj.es


Scientific Director’s Talk

Date: 15th December 2011
International Institute
             for Sociology of Law
• Each director stays for two years only
• Angela Melville (Flinders University, Australia) is
  the new director
   –   In 2010 we had 32 visiting scholars
   –   In 2011 we had 198 workshop participants
   –   In 2011 we had 220 conference participants
   –   We currently have 13 Masters students from 11
       different countries
Clinical negligence

• A clinical negligence claim involves an
  injured patient suing their doctor
• The patient believes the doctor was
  negligent
• Patients may have suffered serious
  injuries or have lost a family member
Our research
University of Manchester, School of Law
(with Frank Stephen, Anne-Maree Farrell, Sarah Devaney)

1) Funded by Nuffield Foundation
   –   Based in northern England
   –   Talked to 30 claimants

2) Funded by Scottish Government
   –   Based across Scotland
   –   Talked to 40 claimants
Previous research

• Usually researchers talk to medical
  professionals
  – Doctors believe patients sue because they
    want money
  – Law reform reflects only one set of views
• 6 previous studies involving claimants
  – 5 in the US; 1 in the UK
  – All used questionnaires
Questionnaires

• Can provide reliable, generalisable results
  which are relatively easy to analyse
• However:
  – Responses are pre-determined
  – Limited aims (motivations)
  – Insensitive
In-depth interviews

• Allowed claimants to raise topics important
  to them
• Looked at the entire experience of
  claiming
• Allowed claimants to feel listened to
Ethical issues

• Wrote to claimants asking consent to interview
  – Some claimants were not contacted
  – Consent was voluntary
  – What topics are to be discussed, length of interview,
    order of topics
  – Did not re-contact
• Many claimants rang up first
• Counsellor on stand-by
• List of contacts
Sensitive interviewing

• Recovery can be long and slow, and each
  interviewee may be at a different stage in
  this process
• Researcher cannot know fully what
  someone has gone through
• Gap between academic knowledge and
  personal knowledge
• Researcher needs to be comfortable
Impact on researchers

• Interviewing can be emotional work
• Can leave researcher feeling emotionally
  overloaded, isolated, desensitived,
  uncomfortable with level of disclosure
• Feel as if you need to give something
  back
• Impact can be on: interviewers but also
  transcribers, other research assistants
Dealing with emotional interviews

• Set clear boundaries about what the
  research can do
• Practice the interview beforehand
• Do background reading
• Regularly debrief
• Have a mentor
• Work in a team
• Keep a diary
…then he just sat up and he looked like, you know The Scream,
Edvard Munch’s picture? And just this massive, massive spurt of
blood came out, and he was just like this… and then he died.

And they still wouldn’t let me in the ambulance, they left me on the
road, then they let me in the ambulance, and he’d died. And I said I
think you ought to close his eyes, he’s passed away. And they
started giving him CPR, and there wasn’t anything of him, it would
have broken all his ribs, they were just being so rough... They
wouldn’t close his eyes, they wouldn’t, they wouldn’t stop doing that
on his chest, and they did that all the way to the hospital. And I
begged them not to, just to leave him in peace and then they
wouldn’t even cover his face when he went through A and E and all
these people were just looking at him, and he’d died. And I thought it
was just so cruel, I just thought that was so cruel and undignified.
What went wrong?

• Patient had been injured
• But also:
  – Medical treatment had been delayed
  – Lack of dignity
  – Medical staff had been rude
  – Poor communication
  – Knew there was a problem, but no-one would
    listen
Making a complaint

• Hospital would not accept responsibility
• Denied that there had been a problem
• Doctors had been arrogant
• Hospital tried to blame a junior doctor or
  nurse
• Did not feel listened to
Unsuccessful claims

• 1st need to gather all the medical reports
• 2nd independent expert looks at the
  reports
• Claimants felt that the expert was:
  – Biased
  – Had missed the most important points
  – Refused to listen
• Majority of claims fail
Successful claims

• Only outcome was often money
• But claimants also wanted:
  – Explanations
  – Apology
  – Changes so that mistakes would not happen
    to someone else
  – Opportunity to talk to the doctor
  – Receive compensation, but still felt as if no-
    one would listen
Fault based schemes

• Claimant must prove that the doctor was
  at fault
• Benefits
  – Deterrance (doctors are more careful)
  – Doctors learn from their mistakes
  – Only claims with merit receive compensation
  – Claimants get the full value of their claim
Problems

• Defensive medicine
• Doctors do not admit errors
• Patients with low value claims cannot find
  legal representation
• High proportion of settlement is paid to the
  lawyer rather than the claimant
• Only provide financial compensation
No fault schemes

• Eg New Zealand
• Claimant does not have to prove liability
• Benefits
  – More low value claims receive compensation
  – Can provide alternative outcomes
  – Less need for legal representation, therefore lower
    costs
  – Doctors more likely to admit errors
  – Also need to have compulsory disclosure of errors

"They wouldn't listen...". Why do patients sue doctors?

  • 1.
    “They wouldn’t listen….” Whydo patients sue doctors? Angela Melville – angela.l.melville@iisj.es Scientific Director’s Talk Date: 15th December 2011
  • 2.
    International Institute for Sociology of Law • Each director stays for two years only • Angela Melville (Flinders University, Australia) is the new director – In 2010 we had 32 visiting scholars – In 2011 we had 198 workshop participants – In 2011 we had 220 conference participants – We currently have 13 Masters students from 11 different countries
  • 3.
    Clinical negligence • Aclinical negligence claim involves an injured patient suing their doctor • The patient believes the doctor was negligent • Patients may have suffered serious injuries or have lost a family member
  • 4.
    Our research University ofManchester, School of Law (with Frank Stephen, Anne-Maree Farrell, Sarah Devaney) 1) Funded by Nuffield Foundation – Based in northern England – Talked to 30 claimants 2) Funded by Scottish Government – Based across Scotland – Talked to 40 claimants
  • 5.
    Previous research • Usuallyresearchers talk to medical professionals – Doctors believe patients sue because they want money – Law reform reflects only one set of views • 6 previous studies involving claimants – 5 in the US; 1 in the UK – All used questionnaires
  • 6.
    Questionnaires • Can providereliable, generalisable results which are relatively easy to analyse • However: – Responses are pre-determined – Limited aims (motivations) – Insensitive
  • 7.
    In-depth interviews • Allowedclaimants to raise topics important to them • Looked at the entire experience of claiming • Allowed claimants to feel listened to
  • 8.
    Ethical issues • Wroteto claimants asking consent to interview – Some claimants were not contacted – Consent was voluntary – What topics are to be discussed, length of interview, order of topics – Did not re-contact • Many claimants rang up first • Counsellor on stand-by • List of contacts
  • 9.
    Sensitive interviewing • Recoverycan be long and slow, and each interviewee may be at a different stage in this process • Researcher cannot know fully what someone has gone through • Gap between academic knowledge and personal knowledge • Researcher needs to be comfortable
  • 10.
    Impact on researchers •Interviewing can be emotional work • Can leave researcher feeling emotionally overloaded, isolated, desensitived, uncomfortable with level of disclosure • Feel as if you need to give something back • Impact can be on: interviewers but also transcribers, other research assistants
  • 11.
    Dealing with emotionalinterviews • Set clear boundaries about what the research can do • Practice the interview beforehand • Do background reading • Regularly debrief • Have a mentor • Work in a team • Keep a diary
  • 12.
    …then he justsat up and he looked like, you know The Scream, Edvard Munch’s picture? And just this massive, massive spurt of blood came out, and he was just like this… and then he died. And they still wouldn’t let me in the ambulance, they left me on the road, then they let me in the ambulance, and he’d died. And I said I think you ought to close his eyes, he’s passed away. And they started giving him CPR, and there wasn’t anything of him, it would have broken all his ribs, they were just being so rough... They wouldn’t close his eyes, they wouldn’t, they wouldn’t stop doing that on his chest, and they did that all the way to the hospital. And I begged them not to, just to leave him in peace and then they wouldn’t even cover his face when he went through A and E and all these people were just looking at him, and he’d died. And I thought it was just so cruel, I just thought that was so cruel and undignified.
  • 13.
    What went wrong? •Patient had been injured • But also: – Medical treatment had been delayed – Lack of dignity – Medical staff had been rude – Poor communication – Knew there was a problem, but no-one would listen
  • 14.
    Making a complaint •Hospital would not accept responsibility • Denied that there had been a problem • Doctors had been arrogant • Hospital tried to blame a junior doctor or nurse • Did not feel listened to
  • 15.
    Unsuccessful claims • 1stneed to gather all the medical reports • 2nd independent expert looks at the reports • Claimants felt that the expert was: – Biased – Had missed the most important points – Refused to listen • Majority of claims fail
  • 16.
    Successful claims • Onlyoutcome was often money • But claimants also wanted: – Explanations – Apology – Changes so that mistakes would not happen to someone else – Opportunity to talk to the doctor – Receive compensation, but still felt as if no- one would listen
  • 17.
    Fault based schemes •Claimant must prove that the doctor was at fault • Benefits – Deterrance (doctors are more careful) – Doctors learn from their mistakes – Only claims with merit receive compensation – Claimants get the full value of their claim
  • 18.
    Problems • Defensive medicine •Doctors do not admit errors • Patients with low value claims cannot find legal representation • High proportion of settlement is paid to the lawyer rather than the claimant • Only provide financial compensation
  • 19.
    No fault schemes •Eg New Zealand • Claimant does not have to prove liability • Benefits – More low value claims receive compensation – Can provide alternative outcomes – Less need for legal representation, therefore lower costs – Doctors more likely to admit errors – Also need to have compulsory disclosure of errors