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Crocodile tears, facts and national debate: A curious case of framing!
Taxation
•   US Taxation is progressive.
     –   Higher the income, higher the marginal tax rate
     –   Assuming no deduction, 10% tax rate upto 174000, 20% for income above 174001 to
         300000
     –   A filer earning 274000 will pay 17400 (10% on the first 174000) and 20% (20000) on the
         additional 100000 for a total of 37400, an effective rate of 13.65%
     –   That filer is not paying 28% (76720) on all the 274000

•   IRS publishes by income slabs: 0-200K, 200-500K, 500K-1000K and
    1000K+
     –   Cannot easily compute for 250K
•   Data is available at the IRS website irs.gov
•   IRS derived these by sampling
     –   Not clear why sampling is used rather than processing all the returns
           •   Could be exact and actual without loss of anonymity
     –   Not clear why data for the top 100, 400 or 1000 is not made available
•   Tax year 2008
     –   everything in this presentation is for tax year 2008.
Tax Data for 2008
       Income            TaxableIncome                  Income Tax                  Tax/Income           %TaxShare           %IncomeShare
       0-200K                  3,591,956,977,000             494,962,708,000                13.78%              47.98%               63.54%

       200-500K                  790,018,422,000             193,699,168,000                24.52%              18.78%               13.98%

       500-1000K                 332,577,165,000               93,899,363,000               28.23%                9.10%               5.88%
       1000K+                    938,372,909,000             249,019,686,000                26.54%              24.14%               16.60%

       Total                   5,652,925,473,000           1,031,580,925,000                18.25%             100.00%               100.00%
       Source = http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/08in12ms.xls [http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=134951,00.html]
       Prepared by ofrancis1999@gmail.com




Anyone can calculate these figures directly                                                            For the tax year that ended Dec, 31 2008,
                                                                                                       0-200K income group accounted for 63% of
from IRS data 08in12ms.xls as follows:
                                                                                                       the income with a 48% tax share. As a
for 0-200K income group:                                                                               function of the income, the tax liability for
TaxLiability = SUM(N10:N21)                                                                            this group was 14%.
TaxableIncome = SUM(J10:J21)
                                                                                                       Tax share is the proportion of tax liability
200-500K figures are taken out of row 22 from cells N22,J22
                                                                                                       for the income group of the total tax liability
500-1000K figures are taken out of row 23 from cells N23,J23                                           for all the income groups.
For million or more, 1000K+, income group
TaxLiability = SUM(N24:N28)
TaxableIncome = SUM(J24:J28)
2008-IRS Data for Charts

0-200K/86,306,702                          Income/#ofReturns    TaxableIncome in 1000s

In the income group 0-200K                 0-200K/86,306,702                 3,591,956,977

by one count there were 86,306,702         200-500K/3,459,900                 790,018,422

returns.                                   500-1000K/574,263                  332,577,165

                                           1000K+/319,240                     938,372,909

There were 319240 returns with a taxable
                                           Income/#ofReturns    IncomeTax in 1000s
Income of a million or more 1000K+.
                                           0-200K/86,306,702                  494,962,708

As a group the returns with 0-200K         200-500K/3,459,900                 193,699,168

taxable income had the highest total       500-1000K/574,263                   93,899,363

Income tax liability (494,962,708,000)     1000K+/319,240                     249,019,686

and this group also had the highest
aggregate taxable income
(3,591,956,977,000).
Taxable Income Distribution
                                   TaxableIncome in 1000s




                938,372,909, 17%




     332,577,165, 6%

                                                                                 0-200K/86,306,702
                                                                                 200-500K/3,459,900
                                                                                 500-1000K/574,263
                                                                                 1000K+/319,240
    790,018,422, 14%
                                                            3,591,956,977, 63%




In the tax year 2008
63% of taxable income is from 0-200K income group.
14% of taxable income is from 200-500K income group.
6% of taxable income is from 500-1000K income group.
17% of taxable income is from Million+ income group.
Income Tax Distribution
                                      Tax Liability in 1000s




            249,019,686, 24%




                                                                                  0-200K/86,306,702
                                                               494,962,708, 48%   200-500K/3,459,900
                                                                                  500-1000K/574,263
                                                                                  1000K+/319,240
       93,899,363, 9%




                   193,699,168, 19%



48% of 2008 tax liability is attributable to 0-200K income group.
19% of 2008 tax liability is attributable to 200-500K income group.
9% of 2008 tax liability is attributable to 500-1000K income group.
24% of 2008 tax liability is attributable to Million+ income group.
Tax Rate by Income Group
                                  (Income tax/income) is 13.8% tax rate for 0-200K group
Income/#ofReturns    TaxRate      (Income tax/income) is 24.5% tax rate for 200-500K group
0-200K/86,306,702        13.78%
                                  (Income tax/income) is 28.2% tax rate for 500-1000K group
                                  (Income tax/income) is 26.5% tax rate for 1000K+ group
200-500K/3,459,900       24.52%

500-1000K/574,263        28.23%

1000K+/319,240           26.54%




TaxRates are effective rates computed by dividing tax liability by taxable income.



                       The source for the data is IRS.
                       For clarification contact ofrancis1999@gmail.com
Expert Opinions

• David Stockman
     – Reagan era Budget Director & xCongressman
     – 1995 top 5% had $8 trillion
     – 2010 top 5% had 40 trillion
     – http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinion/01stockman.html
     – http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/15/news/economy/bush_tax_cuts_faqs/index.htm
     –   Appeared on Dec 2nd episode of Colbert Report http://bit.ly/dUu17s
     –   Appeared on Dec 3rd on MSNBC/Countdown
•   Warren Buffet, Bill Gates
•   Senator Alan Simpson Chair of President Obama’s Commission
•   Senator Phil Gramm, Vice Chairman, UBS
The 700 Billion $ Taxcut we got
Real billionaires did not want it
• For whom did the legislators fight?
  – Acute short-sighted
• But for sure
  – it is money we did not have
  – Our children will have to pay with interest
  – Send the money back to treasury
• It is not a game, it is my grandchildren’s
  future
                                   My personal opinion…
One way Billionaires spend money
• Real Billionaires like Warren, Bill donate
  95% - most of their wealth
• Others are qualified HNW
  – Invest in hedge funds
  – Bid up the stock market
  – Blow up the market
  – Buy elections
     • Paid servants bail them out.
     • Money flows to cover their losses

                              My personal observation and opinion…
Social Security
• It is a form of regressive taxation
• So is medicare/medicaid tax
• Gov can convert it into a total scam
  – If the program is killed without returning the
    contributions, reducing benefits
• Privatizing Social Security will make it a
  speculative player
  – A cushion for the billionaire HNW players

                           My personal observation and opinion…
Get Rid of Social Security
 • Stop collecting
 • Return the contributions
   – Either as cash
   – Or tax credits
 • Allow people to save for
   retirement
   – Expand IRA
   – Expand 401K for all

                  My personal observation & opinion…
Hold them responsible..
• Who signed off on 800 Billion dollar bank bailout
  but cry foul for 100 Billion auto bailout
• Who gave 800 Billion taxcut but seek to cut
  small social benefits
• Who spent a trillion dollars on unnecessary
  wars, doled out nobid contracts
• Who apologize to oil companies
• Call them out, reject deception and
  misrepresentations
Ask for total Disclosure!
• Did you know corporations can make
  unlimited political contributions?
• Foreign interests can influence the
  election process
• Ask your state senator and your district
  congressman to enact strong disclosure
  law – NOW --
• Democracy is at stake…
References and Disclosures
      •   http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p43/harryrambler/Crocodile_Tears.jpg
      •   http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/11/a-republican-for-higher-taxes/
      •   http://media.photobucket.com/image/debate/stephdiva87/debate.jpg?o=40
      •   http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/26/patriotic-millionaires/
      •   www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/08in12ms.xls
      •   http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=134951,00.html
            – IRS Data is by sampling
      •   http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinion/01stockman.html
      •   http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/15/news/economy/bush_tax_cuts_faqs/index.htm
      •   Errors are entirely the authors responsibility ofrancis1999@gmail.com
      •   For clarifications contact ofrancis1999@gmail.com




Submitted with the earnest hope that readers can answer simple questions
on contentious issues that we face.

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The greatdebate02

  • 1. Crocodile tears, facts and national debate: A curious case of framing!
  • 2. Taxation • US Taxation is progressive. – Higher the income, higher the marginal tax rate – Assuming no deduction, 10% tax rate upto 174000, 20% for income above 174001 to 300000 – A filer earning 274000 will pay 17400 (10% on the first 174000) and 20% (20000) on the additional 100000 for a total of 37400, an effective rate of 13.65% – That filer is not paying 28% (76720) on all the 274000 • IRS publishes by income slabs: 0-200K, 200-500K, 500K-1000K and 1000K+ – Cannot easily compute for 250K • Data is available at the IRS website irs.gov • IRS derived these by sampling – Not clear why sampling is used rather than processing all the returns • Could be exact and actual without loss of anonymity – Not clear why data for the top 100, 400 or 1000 is not made available • Tax year 2008 – everything in this presentation is for tax year 2008.
  • 3. Tax Data for 2008 Income TaxableIncome Income Tax Tax/Income %TaxShare %IncomeShare 0-200K 3,591,956,977,000 494,962,708,000 13.78% 47.98% 63.54% 200-500K 790,018,422,000 193,699,168,000 24.52% 18.78% 13.98% 500-1000K 332,577,165,000 93,899,363,000 28.23% 9.10% 5.88% 1000K+ 938,372,909,000 249,019,686,000 26.54% 24.14% 16.60% Total 5,652,925,473,000 1,031,580,925,000 18.25% 100.00% 100.00% Source = http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/08in12ms.xls [http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=134951,00.html] Prepared by ofrancis1999@gmail.com Anyone can calculate these figures directly For the tax year that ended Dec, 31 2008, 0-200K income group accounted for 63% of from IRS data 08in12ms.xls as follows: the income with a 48% tax share. As a for 0-200K income group: function of the income, the tax liability for TaxLiability = SUM(N10:N21) this group was 14%. TaxableIncome = SUM(J10:J21) Tax share is the proportion of tax liability 200-500K figures are taken out of row 22 from cells N22,J22 for the income group of the total tax liability 500-1000K figures are taken out of row 23 from cells N23,J23 for all the income groups. For million or more, 1000K+, income group TaxLiability = SUM(N24:N28) TaxableIncome = SUM(J24:J28)
  • 4. 2008-IRS Data for Charts 0-200K/86,306,702 Income/#ofReturns TaxableIncome in 1000s In the income group 0-200K 0-200K/86,306,702 3,591,956,977 by one count there were 86,306,702 200-500K/3,459,900 790,018,422 returns. 500-1000K/574,263 332,577,165 1000K+/319,240 938,372,909 There were 319240 returns with a taxable Income/#ofReturns IncomeTax in 1000s Income of a million or more 1000K+. 0-200K/86,306,702 494,962,708 As a group the returns with 0-200K 200-500K/3,459,900 193,699,168 taxable income had the highest total 500-1000K/574,263 93,899,363 Income tax liability (494,962,708,000) 1000K+/319,240 249,019,686 and this group also had the highest aggregate taxable income (3,591,956,977,000).
  • 5. Taxable Income Distribution TaxableIncome in 1000s 938,372,909, 17% 332,577,165, 6% 0-200K/86,306,702 200-500K/3,459,900 500-1000K/574,263 1000K+/319,240 790,018,422, 14% 3,591,956,977, 63% In the tax year 2008 63% of taxable income is from 0-200K income group. 14% of taxable income is from 200-500K income group. 6% of taxable income is from 500-1000K income group. 17% of taxable income is from Million+ income group.
  • 6. Income Tax Distribution Tax Liability in 1000s 249,019,686, 24% 0-200K/86,306,702 494,962,708, 48% 200-500K/3,459,900 500-1000K/574,263 1000K+/319,240 93,899,363, 9% 193,699,168, 19% 48% of 2008 tax liability is attributable to 0-200K income group. 19% of 2008 tax liability is attributable to 200-500K income group. 9% of 2008 tax liability is attributable to 500-1000K income group. 24% of 2008 tax liability is attributable to Million+ income group.
  • 7. Tax Rate by Income Group (Income tax/income) is 13.8% tax rate for 0-200K group Income/#ofReturns TaxRate (Income tax/income) is 24.5% tax rate for 200-500K group 0-200K/86,306,702 13.78% (Income tax/income) is 28.2% tax rate for 500-1000K group (Income tax/income) is 26.5% tax rate for 1000K+ group 200-500K/3,459,900 24.52% 500-1000K/574,263 28.23% 1000K+/319,240 26.54% TaxRates are effective rates computed by dividing tax liability by taxable income. The source for the data is IRS. For clarification contact ofrancis1999@gmail.com
  • 8. Expert Opinions • David Stockman – Reagan era Budget Director & xCongressman – 1995 top 5% had $8 trillion – 2010 top 5% had 40 trillion – http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinion/01stockman.html – http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/15/news/economy/bush_tax_cuts_faqs/index.htm – Appeared on Dec 2nd episode of Colbert Report http://bit.ly/dUu17s – Appeared on Dec 3rd on MSNBC/Countdown • Warren Buffet, Bill Gates • Senator Alan Simpson Chair of President Obama’s Commission • Senator Phil Gramm, Vice Chairman, UBS
  • 9. The 700 Billion $ Taxcut we got Real billionaires did not want it • For whom did the legislators fight? – Acute short-sighted • But for sure – it is money we did not have – Our children will have to pay with interest – Send the money back to treasury • It is not a game, it is my grandchildren’s future My personal opinion…
  • 10. One way Billionaires spend money • Real Billionaires like Warren, Bill donate 95% - most of their wealth • Others are qualified HNW – Invest in hedge funds – Bid up the stock market – Blow up the market – Buy elections • Paid servants bail them out. • Money flows to cover their losses My personal observation and opinion…
  • 11. Social Security • It is a form of regressive taxation • So is medicare/medicaid tax • Gov can convert it into a total scam – If the program is killed without returning the contributions, reducing benefits • Privatizing Social Security will make it a speculative player – A cushion for the billionaire HNW players My personal observation and opinion…
  • 12. Get Rid of Social Security • Stop collecting • Return the contributions – Either as cash – Or tax credits • Allow people to save for retirement – Expand IRA – Expand 401K for all My personal observation & opinion…
  • 13. Hold them responsible.. • Who signed off on 800 Billion dollar bank bailout but cry foul for 100 Billion auto bailout • Who gave 800 Billion taxcut but seek to cut small social benefits • Who spent a trillion dollars on unnecessary wars, doled out nobid contracts • Who apologize to oil companies • Call them out, reject deception and misrepresentations
  • 14. Ask for total Disclosure! • Did you know corporations can make unlimited political contributions? • Foreign interests can influence the election process • Ask your state senator and your district congressman to enact strong disclosure law – NOW -- • Democracy is at stake…
  • 15. References and Disclosures • http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p43/harryrambler/Crocodile_Tears.jpg • http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/11/a-republican-for-higher-taxes/ • http://media.photobucket.com/image/debate/stephdiva87/debate.jpg?o=40 • http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/26/patriotic-millionaires/ • www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/08in12ms.xls • http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=134951,00.html – IRS Data is by sampling • http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinion/01stockman.html • http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/15/news/economy/bush_tax_cuts_faqs/index.htm • Errors are entirely the authors responsibility ofrancis1999@gmail.com • For clarifications contact ofrancis1999@gmail.com Submitted with the earnest hope that readers can answer simple questions on contentious issues that we face.