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SOVEREIGNTY IS OVER-RATED,
SOCIETY IS UNDER-RATED
An economist‟s thoughts on Ireland‟s future

Ronan Lyons, Balliol College (Oxford)
Parnell Summer School, 13 August 2012
Outline
• Sovereignty: Ireland‟s economic sovereignty is in long-
 term decline – but that‟s no real cause for concern

• Society: Ireland‟s policymakers need to step up and start
 valuing society

• Ireland’s future: economically easy, politically
 challenging?
Sovereignty: the current consensus
• The current consensus
                                 SIPTU: “Formal loss of economic
 on Ireland‟s economic          sovereignty [occurred] when Ireland
                                  negotiated a bail out during the
 sovereignty is along                    winter of 2010...”
 the following lines:
 • “You either have
   economic sovereignty or
   you don‟t”                   Enda Kenny, St Patrick's Day 2012:
                                  "You're all welcome to the hooley
 • “Ireland lost its economic   that's going to take place all through
   sovereignty in December       2013 as our country celebrates its
                                  return to economic sovereignty!"
   2010”
Sovereignty‟s history not encouraging

Trade policy
              Exchange rate policy
From the
early                        Interest rate policy
              With ERM,
1970s, Irelan Ireland lost                  Fiscal policy?
d lost its                   From the
              its exchange mid-1990s,
external      rate policy in Ireland lost   As of
trade policy  the 1980s                     2010s, have
                             its ability to we lost fiscal
              and 1990s      set interest   policy also?
                             rates
The reality: sovereignty‟s a continuum
• No country is 100% sovereign – answering only to its
    taxpayers…
•   Economic sovereignty is not like a light switch, either on
    or off – it is a continuum
•   Ultimately in order to borrow, a country has to run its
    plans and its budgets past the lender
•   In Ireland‟s case, replacing the markets as the primary
    lender with the EU-IMF changes very little
•   Likewise, a return to the markets will change very little
    • It certainly does not mean that Ireland is sovereign enough to be
      fiscally irresponsible again
The reality: sovereignty‟s a continuum
• No country is 100% sovereign – answering only to its
  taxpayers… and with good cause!
• On paper it may sound great not to have to answer to
  anyone else but… "no island is an island"
• Just like a country, a student loses economic sovereignty
  when they take a loan to go to higher education – so does
  a family when it borrows to buy a house
  • But they are investing in their futures
• Borrowing in and of itself – which brings about constraints
  on our behaviour – is not a bad thing
• In fact no country has ever become prosperous without
  large-scale borrowing
Don‟t mourn lost sovereignty!
• So what some might call "loss of economic sovereignty" is
  a prerequisite for a good standard of living!
• Thus discussions about Ireland‟s economic sovereignty
  framed in terms of the bond market largely miss the point
  • Neither the incidental change in Ireland's economic sovereignty
   score brought about by borrowing at preferential rates from the EU
   and IMF nor a return to more standard borrowing patterns is
   important in the grand scheme of things
• What is important is what Ireland borrows for
  • Is Ireland borrowing for the past or the future?
Outline
• Sovereignty: Ireland‟s economic sovereignty is in long-
 term decline – but that‟s no real cause for concern

• Society: Ireland‟s policymakers need to step up and start
 valuing society

• Ireland’s future: economically easy, politically
 challenging?
The status quo, 1: economic policy
• The Irish government             80000
 spends almost €70bn a             70000
 year                              60000
                                           Other spending
 • €45bn is spent on health,       50000   Capital
                                           Education
   education and social welfare    40000   Health
 • €5bn is spent on                        Social welfare
                                   30000
   infrastructure for the future           Other taxes
                                   20000   Other revenues
• The Irish government has                 Social Solidarity
                                   10000
 revenues of €50bn                         #REF!
                                       0   Direct taxes
 • Mostly VAT, income tax and              Indirect taxes
   social insurance
The status quo, 2: economics
• “Economists only care about markets, right?”
• Why do economists focus so much on markets?
  • Signals about how society‟s scarce resources should be used
• How is public money raised and spent?
  • Largely without any signals about the return society gets on
    spending that money – an accounting basis (costs only)
  • Hardly surprisingly in the absence of this that markets have come
    up with their own simplistic but ultimately meaningless rules-of-
    thumb (such as debt-to-GDP ratios or primary balances)
• Let‟s move to an economic basis – not just costs, but
 benefits as well (“here's the return society got from
 spending this amount on that public good”)
Can‟t we just measure happiness?
        Ireland is happy!                  Ireland is unhappy!

                                          Irish Times, Jan 4 2012
    Irish Times, Dec 23 2011
                                              "Irish are among the
     "The EU Survey on Income
                                                 unhappiest of 58
         and Living Conditions
                                          nationalities, according to a
      showed 79 per cent of the
                                                poll by WIN-Gallup
       Irish population aged 18
                                               International of “net
           and over reported
                                                happiness”, or the
     themselves in 2010 to have
                                           percentage of people who
      been happy all or most of
                                            considered themselves
         the time over the four
                                                 happy, minus the
           weeks prior to the
                                          percentage who considered
               interview."
                                             themselves unhappy."

Happiness seems to be “adaptive”: people learn to cope with their
circumstances… but does that mean we should leave people in poverty?
The answer is in valuing society
• “Priceless” just means zero to an accountant!
• There are a variety of ways of understanding the benefit
 society gets from the resources it uses
  • Usage statistics
  • Willingness-to-pay surveys
  • House prices contain a lot of information on natural and social
    amenities
• “Why do economists love markets so much?” revisited:
   • Because people love them! Where no obvious market
     exists, people end up creating one – even if it isn‟t immediately
     obvious
   • E.g. paying more to live near good schools, the coast or a Luas
     stop
Estimates of certain natural amenities
Estimates of transport facilities
What‟s this got to do with the IMF?!
• The short and medium term is (perhaps understandably)
 dominated with emergency measures to reduce the deficit
 from levels that will cripple the next generation with debt

• But getting out of one crisis does not mean we‟ve
 prevented the next one – need to focus on the long-run
 basis for spending money

• This involves connecting up monies raised with monies
 spent, ensuring that society is getting the best possible
 return
  • Measuring that well will stop “the markets” having to use rule-of-
   thumb statistics on public debt
Outline
• Sovereignty: Ireland‟s economic sovereignty is in long-
 term decline – but that‟s no real cause for concern

• Society: Ireland‟s policymakers need to step up and start
 valuing society

• Ireland’s future: economically easy, politically
 challenging?
Ireland‟s fiscal issues are clear
• Overall: Connect money raised with money spent
• Higher education: Switch third-level to “equity stake” to
    fund exceptional service, risk share & avoid debt aversion
•   Social welfare: destroy inequalities in the system (and
    save money!) by treating social welfare as other income
•   Healthcare: pick a model and stick to it! (Preferably
    Singapore-style model, with a healthcare „pension‟)
•   Income tax: tax credits back in line with other countries –
    minimum tax rate for wealthiest to ensure fairness
•   Property tax: the obvious hole in public finances and the
    best way [with a site value tax] of connecting money
    raised with money spent (through local government)
Broader economic issues also clear
• Competitiveness:
  • The awareness in Ireland of our need to sell internationally to fund
    domestic standard of living is as good as anywhere globally
• Pensions and demographics:
  • Much less awareness around need for mandatory defined-
    contribution pension system and radical increase in working age (I
    expect to work into my 80s)
  • Ratio of working years to retired has gone from almost 10:1 to less
    than 2:1 – crippling our children with debt
• The eurozone crisis:
  • In brief, nothing more complicated than savers not wanting “haircut”
    while it becomes increasingly obvious borrowers can‟t repay
  • Either default or devalue (inflate) – certainly no need to break up
    euro
The challenge is political
• Very easy for an economist to say – I don‟t have to get
 elected!

• The challenge then becomes engaging and informing…
  • Firstly the political class, who frame the choices and ultimately
    make the decisions
  • Secondly the general electorate, who have the final say
Thank you!
• Looking forward to comments, questions and the
 discussion

• Keep in touch, if you‟d like, via:
  • www.ronanlyons.com
  • @ronanlyons on Twitter

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Sovereignty is over-rated, society is under-rated - Ronan Lyons Parnell Summer School 2012

  • 1. SOVEREIGNTY IS OVER-RATED, SOCIETY IS UNDER-RATED An economist‟s thoughts on Ireland‟s future Ronan Lyons, Balliol College (Oxford) Parnell Summer School, 13 August 2012
  • 2. Outline • Sovereignty: Ireland‟s economic sovereignty is in long- term decline – but that‟s no real cause for concern • Society: Ireland‟s policymakers need to step up and start valuing society • Ireland’s future: economically easy, politically challenging?
  • 3. Sovereignty: the current consensus • The current consensus SIPTU: “Formal loss of economic on Ireland‟s economic sovereignty [occurred] when Ireland negotiated a bail out during the sovereignty is along winter of 2010...” the following lines: • “You either have economic sovereignty or you don‟t” Enda Kenny, St Patrick's Day 2012: "You're all welcome to the hooley • “Ireland lost its economic that's going to take place all through sovereignty in December 2013 as our country celebrates its return to economic sovereignty!" 2010”
  • 4. Sovereignty‟s history not encouraging Trade policy Exchange rate policy From the early Interest rate policy With ERM, 1970s, Irelan Ireland lost Fiscal policy? d lost its From the its exchange mid-1990s, external rate policy in Ireland lost As of trade policy the 1980s 2010s, have its ability to we lost fiscal and 1990s set interest policy also? rates
  • 5. The reality: sovereignty‟s a continuum • No country is 100% sovereign – answering only to its taxpayers… • Economic sovereignty is not like a light switch, either on or off – it is a continuum • Ultimately in order to borrow, a country has to run its plans and its budgets past the lender • In Ireland‟s case, replacing the markets as the primary lender with the EU-IMF changes very little • Likewise, a return to the markets will change very little • It certainly does not mean that Ireland is sovereign enough to be fiscally irresponsible again
  • 6. The reality: sovereignty‟s a continuum • No country is 100% sovereign – answering only to its taxpayers… and with good cause! • On paper it may sound great not to have to answer to anyone else but… "no island is an island" • Just like a country, a student loses economic sovereignty when they take a loan to go to higher education – so does a family when it borrows to buy a house • But they are investing in their futures • Borrowing in and of itself – which brings about constraints on our behaviour – is not a bad thing • In fact no country has ever become prosperous without large-scale borrowing
  • 7. Don‟t mourn lost sovereignty! • So what some might call "loss of economic sovereignty" is a prerequisite for a good standard of living! • Thus discussions about Ireland‟s economic sovereignty framed in terms of the bond market largely miss the point • Neither the incidental change in Ireland's economic sovereignty score brought about by borrowing at preferential rates from the EU and IMF nor a return to more standard borrowing patterns is important in the grand scheme of things • What is important is what Ireland borrows for • Is Ireland borrowing for the past or the future?
  • 8. Outline • Sovereignty: Ireland‟s economic sovereignty is in long- term decline – but that‟s no real cause for concern • Society: Ireland‟s policymakers need to step up and start valuing society • Ireland’s future: economically easy, politically challenging?
  • 9. The status quo, 1: economic policy • The Irish government 80000 spends almost €70bn a 70000 year 60000 Other spending • €45bn is spent on health, 50000 Capital Education education and social welfare 40000 Health • €5bn is spent on Social welfare 30000 infrastructure for the future Other taxes 20000 Other revenues • The Irish government has Social Solidarity 10000 revenues of €50bn #REF! 0 Direct taxes • Mostly VAT, income tax and Indirect taxes social insurance
  • 10. The status quo, 2: economics • “Economists only care about markets, right?” • Why do economists focus so much on markets? • Signals about how society‟s scarce resources should be used • How is public money raised and spent? • Largely without any signals about the return society gets on spending that money – an accounting basis (costs only) • Hardly surprisingly in the absence of this that markets have come up with their own simplistic but ultimately meaningless rules-of- thumb (such as debt-to-GDP ratios or primary balances) • Let‟s move to an economic basis – not just costs, but benefits as well (“here's the return society got from spending this amount on that public good”)
  • 11. Can‟t we just measure happiness? Ireland is happy! Ireland is unhappy! Irish Times, Jan 4 2012 Irish Times, Dec 23 2011 "Irish are among the "The EU Survey on Income unhappiest of 58 and Living Conditions nationalities, according to a showed 79 per cent of the poll by WIN-Gallup Irish population aged 18 International of “net and over reported happiness”, or the themselves in 2010 to have percentage of people who been happy all or most of considered themselves the time over the four happy, minus the weeks prior to the percentage who considered interview." themselves unhappy." Happiness seems to be “adaptive”: people learn to cope with their circumstances… but does that mean we should leave people in poverty?
  • 12. The answer is in valuing society • “Priceless” just means zero to an accountant! • There are a variety of ways of understanding the benefit society gets from the resources it uses • Usage statistics • Willingness-to-pay surveys • House prices contain a lot of information on natural and social amenities • “Why do economists love markets so much?” revisited: • Because people love them! Where no obvious market exists, people end up creating one – even if it isn‟t immediately obvious • E.g. paying more to live near good schools, the coast or a Luas stop
  • 13. Estimates of certain natural amenities
  • 15. What‟s this got to do with the IMF?! • The short and medium term is (perhaps understandably) dominated with emergency measures to reduce the deficit from levels that will cripple the next generation with debt • But getting out of one crisis does not mean we‟ve prevented the next one – need to focus on the long-run basis for spending money • This involves connecting up monies raised with monies spent, ensuring that society is getting the best possible return • Measuring that well will stop “the markets” having to use rule-of- thumb statistics on public debt
  • 16. Outline • Sovereignty: Ireland‟s economic sovereignty is in long- term decline – but that‟s no real cause for concern • Society: Ireland‟s policymakers need to step up and start valuing society • Ireland’s future: economically easy, politically challenging?
  • 17. Ireland‟s fiscal issues are clear • Overall: Connect money raised with money spent • Higher education: Switch third-level to “equity stake” to fund exceptional service, risk share & avoid debt aversion • Social welfare: destroy inequalities in the system (and save money!) by treating social welfare as other income • Healthcare: pick a model and stick to it! (Preferably Singapore-style model, with a healthcare „pension‟) • Income tax: tax credits back in line with other countries – minimum tax rate for wealthiest to ensure fairness • Property tax: the obvious hole in public finances and the best way [with a site value tax] of connecting money raised with money spent (through local government)
  • 18. Broader economic issues also clear • Competitiveness: • The awareness in Ireland of our need to sell internationally to fund domestic standard of living is as good as anywhere globally • Pensions and demographics: • Much less awareness around need for mandatory defined- contribution pension system and radical increase in working age (I expect to work into my 80s) • Ratio of working years to retired has gone from almost 10:1 to less than 2:1 – crippling our children with debt • The eurozone crisis: • In brief, nothing more complicated than savers not wanting “haircut” while it becomes increasingly obvious borrowers can‟t repay • Either default or devalue (inflate) – certainly no need to break up euro
  • 19. The challenge is political • Very easy for an economist to say – I don‟t have to get elected! • The challenge then becomes engaging and informing… • Firstly the political class, who frame the choices and ultimately make the decisions • Secondly the general electorate, who have the final say
  • 20. Thank you! • Looking forward to comments, questions and the discussion • Keep in touch, if you‟d like, via: • www.ronanlyons.com • @ronanlyons on Twitter