SlideShare a Scribd company logo
Quiz RNS
57EMG: Myasthenia?
Patient with bilat ptosis but no arm or leg weakness. RNS in nasalis and deltoid normal.
SFEMG in orb oculi and frontalis normal.
1. Ocular MG
2. Generalized MG
3. Myopathy
4. Bell palsy
Normal SFEMg findings are strong indications that symptoms are NOT MG. In this case, it may be
a myopathy, often with very little of jitter abnormalities
57EMG: Myasthenia?
Patient with bilat ptosis but no arm or leg weakness. RNS in nasalis and deltoid normal.
SFEMG in orb oculi and frontalis normal.
1. Ocular MG
2. Generalized MG
3. Myopathy
4. Bell palsy
Normal SFEMg findings are strong indications that symptoms are NOT MG. In this case, it may be
a myopathy, often with very little of jitter abnormalities
Which is the optimal time for maximal voluntary activation in
RNS tests in MG and LEM respectively?
1
Which is the optimal time for maximal voluntary activation in
RNS tests in MG and LEM respectively?
45-60 sec to provoke MG exhaustion
10 sec to see LEM facilitation
1
RNS
• Is the head moving when you perform correctly RNS from trapezius
muscle (stim behind the sternocleid muscles)? NO, move stim
• Is it normal to have some degree of “biting” when you perform RNS
of the nasalis muscle? If not, what to do?
No, direct stim of masseter muscle, move stim
1
RNS
• Is the head moving when you perform correctly RNS from trapezius
muscle (stim behind the sternocleid muscles)? NO, move stim
• Is it normal to have some degree of “biting” when you perform RNS
of the nasalis muscle? If not, what to do?
No, direct stim of masseter muscle, move stim
1
Q 43. Tests of LEM?
The important finding is strong facilitation (> 60% amplitude
increase)
This is accomplished by
1. 10 sec voluntary activation
or
2. Stim 20 (-50) Hz for 1 sec. Note, the facilitation should be
assessed from the amplitude obtained after first single
stimulus after the train.
(during the train the muscle is shortening, which changes the
amplitude by up to 40%)
8
Q 43. Tests of LEM
The important finding is strong facilitation (> 60% amplitude
increase)
This is accomplished by
1. 10 sec voluntary activation
or
2. Stim 20 (-50) Hz for 1 sec. Note, the facilitation should be
assessed from the amplitude obtained after first single
stimulus immediately after the train.
(during the train the muscle is shortening, which changes the
amplitude by up to 43%)
9
1
Which muscles are tested?
APB
trap
nasalis
1
47 year old lady
HISTORY AND FINDINGS
• previously healthy
• since 3 months increasingly weak
• can walk 200 m, subjectively weaker right side
• last month in wheelchair
• hoarse, swallowing difficulties
• orthostatic hypotension
• obstipated
CLINICAL:
• fatigable neck muscles
• weak leg muscles
• no atrophy of facial muscles
• areflexia
Q3
NCS: motor nerves
Q3
Repetitive nerve stimulation: m. ADM sin
Q3
rest rest 0 after 20 sec act 60 sec after act 3 min afdter act
SFEMG: m. orbicularis oculi
Q3
CT thorax – normal
VGCC antibodies – positive
Diagnosis?
a. MG
b. LEM
c. axonal neuropati
d. AMAN
e. post polio syndrom
Comment: Not all muscles show the typical facilitation. No data from other muscles
20 sec may be too long, prefer 10 sec
Do not exclude LEM from normal study of ONE muscle
47 year old lady

More Related Content

Similar to QUIZ RNS

REPETITIVE NERVE STIMULATION (RNS)
REPETITIVE NERVE STIMULATION (RNS)REPETITIVE NERVE STIMULATION (RNS)
REPETITIVE NERVE STIMULATION (RNS)
Dhaval Modi
 
4. Practical aspects
4. Practical aspects4. Practical aspects
4. Practical aspects
Erik Stålberg
 
EEG dr archana
EEG dr archanaEEG dr archana
EEG dr archana
dr archana verma
 
Part 4 examination of motor and sensory system
Part 4 examination of motor and sensory systemPart 4 examination of motor and sensory system
Part 4 examination of motor and sensory system
Atul Saswat
 
EMG&RNST
EMG&RNSTEMG&RNST
EMG&RNST
NeurologyKota
 
Cortical stimulation and mapping
Cortical stimulation and mappingCortical stimulation and mapping
Cortical stimulation and mapping
Pramod Krishnan
 
Fg test
Fg testFg test
Repetitive Nerve Stimulation (RNS)
Repetitive Nerve Stimulation (RNS)Repetitive Nerve Stimulation (RNS)
Repetitive Nerve Stimulation (RNS)
Murtaza Syed
 
EMG special
EMG specialEMG special
EMG special
Erik Stålberg
 
motor nervous system : Stretch reflex
motor nervous system : Stretch reflexmotor nervous system : Stretch reflex
motor nervous system : Stretch reflex
dina merzeban
 
facial nerve and its disorders.pptx
facial nerve and its disorders.pptxfacial nerve and its disorders.pptx
facial nerve and its disorders.pptx
Dr vivek Malpani
 
Electrodiagnosis in gbs
Electrodiagnosis in gbsElectrodiagnosis in gbs
Electrodiagnosis in gbs
Dr. Munish Kumar
 
normal eeg
 normal eeg  normal eeg
normal eeg
Sachin Adukia
 
Fundamentals of nerve conduction study
Fundamentals of nerve conduction studyFundamentals of nerve conduction study
Fundamentals of nerve conduction study
NeurologyKota
 
Skill lab physiology (motor examination tests)
Skill lab   physiology (motor examination tests)Skill lab   physiology (motor examination tests)
Skill lab physiology (motor examination tests)
Osama Al-Zahrani
 
EMG routine
EMG routineEMG routine
EMG routine
Erik Stålberg
 
Miorilass in day surgery
Miorilass in day surgeryMiorilass in day surgery
Miorilass in day surgery
Claudio Melloni
 
Autonomic Nervous System (SSR) Testing
Autonomic Nervous System (SSR) TestingAutonomic Nervous System (SSR) Testing
Autonomic Nervous System (SSR) Testing
Murtaza Syed
 
RNS
RNSRNS
Evaluation trmors dystoniamyoclonus
Evaluation trmors dystoniamyoclonusEvaluation trmors dystoniamyoclonus
Evaluation trmors dystoniamyoclonus
NeurologyKota
 

Similar to QUIZ RNS (20)

REPETITIVE NERVE STIMULATION (RNS)
REPETITIVE NERVE STIMULATION (RNS)REPETITIVE NERVE STIMULATION (RNS)
REPETITIVE NERVE STIMULATION (RNS)
 
4. Practical aspects
4. Practical aspects4. Practical aspects
4. Practical aspects
 
EEG dr archana
EEG dr archanaEEG dr archana
EEG dr archana
 
Part 4 examination of motor and sensory system
Part 4 examination of motor and sensory systemPart 4 examination of motor and sensory system
Part 4 examination of motor and sensory system
 
EMG&RNST
EMG&RNSTEMG&RNST
EMG&RNST
 
Cortical stimulation and mapping
Cortical stimulation and mappingCortical stimulation and mapping
Cortical stimulation and mapping
 
Fg test
Fg testFg test
Fg test
 
Repetitive Nerve Stimulation (RNS)
Repetitive Nerve Stimulation (RNS)Repetitive Nerve Stimulation (RNS)
Repetitive Nerve Stimulation (RNS)
 
EMG special
EMG specialEMG special
EMG special
 
motor nervous system : Stretch reflex
motor nervous system : Stretch reflexmotor nervous system : Stretch reflex
motor nervous system : Stretch reflex
 
facial nerve and its disorders.pptx
facial nerve and its disorders.pptxfacial nerve and its disorders.pptx
facial nerve and its disorders.pptx
 
Electrodiagnosis in gbs
Electrodiagnosis in gbsElectrodiagnosis in gbs
Electrodiagnosis in gbs
 
normal eeg
 normal eeg  normal eeg
normal eeg
 
Fundamentals of nerve conduction study
Fundamentals of nerve conduction studyFundamentals of nerve conduction study
Fundamentals of nerve conduction study
 
Skill lab physiology (motor examination tests)
Skill lab   physiology (motor examination tests)Skill lab   physiology (motor examination tests)
Skill lab physiology (motor examination tests)
 
EMG routine
EMG routineEMG routine
EMG routine
 
Miorilass in day surgery
Miorilass in day surgeryMiorilass in day surgery
Miorilass in day surgery
 
Autonomic Nervous System (SSR) Testing
Autonomic Nervous System (SSR) TestingAutonomic Nervous System (SSR) Testing
Autonomic Nervous System (SSR) Testing
 
RNS
RNSRNS
RNS
 
Evaluation trmors dystoniamyoclonus
Evaluation trmors dystoniamyoclonusEvaluation trmors dystoniamyoclonus
Evaluation trmors dystoniamyoclonus
 

Recently uploaded

Acute Gout Care & Urate Lowering Therapy .pdf
Acute Gout Care & Urate Lowering Therapy .pdfAcute Gout Care & Urate Lowering Therapy .pdf
Acute Gout Care & Urate Lowering Therapy .pdf
Jim Jacob Roy
 
Vestibulocochlear Nerve by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Vestibulocochlear Nerve by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptxVestibulocochlear Nerve by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Vestibulocochlear Nerve by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore
 
Ear and its clinical correlations By Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Ear and its clinical correlations By Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptxEar and its clinical correlations By Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Ear and its clinical correlations By Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore
 
Pharmacology of 5-hydroxytryptamine and Antagonist
Pharmacology of 5-hydroxytryptamine and AntagonistPharmacology of 5-hydroxytryptamine and Antagonist
Pharmacology of 5-hydroxytryptamine and Antagonist
Dr. Nikhilkumar Sakle
 
K CỔ TỬ CUNG.pdf tự ghi chép, chữ hơi xấu
K CỔ TỬ CUNG.pdf tự ghi chép, chữ hơi xấuK CỔ TỬ CUNG.pdf tự ghi chép, chữ hơi xấu
K CỔ TỬ CUNG.pdf tự ghi chép, chữ hơi xấu
HongBiThi1
 
DECLARATION OF HELSINKI - History and principles
DECLARATION OF HELSINKI - History and principlesDECLARATION OF HELSINKI - History and principles
DECLARATION OF HELSINKI - History and principles
anaghabharat01
 
Cell Therapy Expansion and Challenges in Autoimmune Disease
Cell Therapy Expansion and Challenges in Autoimmune DiseaseCell Therapy Expansion and Challenges in Autoimmune Disease
Cell Therapy Expansion and Challenges in Autoimmune Disease
Health Advances
 
Outbreak management including quarantine, isolation, contact.pptx
Outbreak management including quarantine, isolation, contact.pptxOutbreak management including quarantine, isolation, contact.pptx
Outbreak management including quarantine, isolation, contact.pptx
Pratik328635
 
share - Lions, tigers, AI and health misinformation, oh my!.pptx
share - Lions, tigers, AI and health misinformation, oh my!.pptxshare - Lions, tigers, AI and health misinformation, oh my!.pptx
share - Lions, tigers, AI and health misinformation, oh my!.pptx
Tina Purnat
 
Osteoporosis - Definition , Evaluation and Management .pdf
Osteoporosis - Definition , Evaluation and Management .pdfOsteoporosis - Definition , Evaluation and Management .pdf
Osteoporosis - Definition , Evaluation and Management .pdf
Jim Jacob Roy
 
Cervical Disc Arthroplasty ORSI 2024.pptx
Cervical Disc Arthroplasty ORSI 2024.pptxCervical Disc Arthroplasty ORSI 2024.pptx
Cervical Disc Arthroplasty ORSI 2024.pptx
LEFLOT Jean-Louis
 
NARCOTICS- POLICY AND PROCEDURES FOR ITS USE
NARCOTICS- POLICY AND PROCEDURES FOR ITS USENARCOTICS- POLICY AND PROCEDURES FOR ITS USE
NARCOTICS- POLICY AND PROCEDURES FOR ITS USE
Dr. Ahana Haroon
 
Artificial Intelligence Symposium (THAIS)
Artificial Intelligence Symposium (THAIS)Artificial Intelligence Symposium (THAIS)
Artificial Intelligence Symposium (THAIS)
Josep Vidal-Alaball
 
June 2024 Oncology Cartoons By Dr Kanhu Charan Patro
June 2024 Oncology Cartoons By Dr Kanhu Charan PatroJune 2024 Oncology Cartoons By Dr Kanhu Charan Patro
June 2024 Oncology Cartoons By Dr Kanhu Charan Patro
Kanhu Charan
 
Medical Quiz ( Online Quiz for API Meet 2024 ).pdf
Medical Quiz ( Online Quiz for API Meet 2024 ).pdfMedical Quiz ( Online Quiz for API Meet 2024 ).pdf
Medical Quiz ( Online Quiz for API Meet 2024 ).pdf
Jim Jacob Roy
 
Abortion PG Seminar Power point presentation
Abortion PG Seminar Power point presentationAbortion PG Seminar Power point presentation
Abortion PG Seminar Power point presentation
AksshayaRajanbabu
 
The Nervous and Chemical Regulation of Respiration
The Nervous and Chemical Regulation of RespirationThe Nervous and Chemical Regulation of Respiration
The Nervous and Chemical Regulation of Respiration
MedicoseAcademics
 
Muscles of Mastication by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Muscles of Mastication by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptxMuscles of Mastication by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Muscles of Mastication by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore
 
Tests for analysis of different pharmaceutical.pptx
Tests for analysis of different pharmaceutical.pptxTests for analysis of different pharmaceutical.pptx
Tests for analysis of different pharmaceutical.pptx
taiba qazi
 
Promoting Wellbeing - Applied Social Psychology - Psychology SuperNotes
Promoting Wellbeing - Applied Social Psychology - Psychology SuperNotesPromoting Wellbeing - Applied Social Psychology - Psychology SuperNotes
Promoting Wellbeing - Applied Social Psychology - Psychology SuperNotes
PsychoTech Services
 

Recently uploaded (20)

Acute Gout Care & Urate Lowering Therapy .pdf
Acute Gout Care & Urate Lowering Therapy .pdfAcute Gout Care & Urate Lowering Therapy .pdf
Acute Gout Care & Urate Lowering Therapy .pdf
 
Vestibulocochlear Nerve by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Vestibulocochlear Nerve by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptxVestibulocochlear Nerve by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Vestibulocochlear Nerve by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
 
Ear and its clinical correlations By Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Ear and its clinical correlations By Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptxEar and its clinical correlations By Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Ear and its clinical correlations By Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
 
Pharmacology of 5-hydroxytryptamine and Antagonist
Pharmacology of 5-hydroxytryptamine and AntagonistPharmacology of 5-hydroxytryptamine and Antagonist
Pharmacology of 5-hydroxytryptamine and Antagonist
 
K CỔ TỬ CUNG.pdf tự ghi chép, chữ hơi xấu
K CỔ TỬ CUNG.pdf tự ghi chép, chữ hơi xấuK CỔ TỬ CUNG.pdf tự ghi chép, chữ hơi xấu
K CỔ TỬ CUNG.pdf tự ghi chép, chữ hơi xấu
 
DECLARATION OF HELSINKI - History and principles
DECLARATION OF HELSINKI - History and principlesDECLARATION OF HELSINKI - History and principles
DECLARATION OF HELSINKI - History and principles
 
Cell Therapy Expansion and Challenges in Autoimmune Disease
Cell Therapy Expansion and Challenges in Autoimmune DiseaseCell Therapy Expansion and Challenges in Autoimmune Disease
Cell Therapy Expansion and Challenges in Autoimmune Disease
 
Outbreak management including quarantine, isolation, contact.pptx
Outbreak management including quarantine, isolation, contact.pptxOutbreak management including quarantine, isolation, contact.pptx
Outbreak management including quarantine, isolation, contact.pptx
 
share - Lions, tigers, AI and health misinformation, oh my!.pptx
share - Lions, tigers, AI and health misinformation, oh my!.pptxshare - Lions, tigers, AI and health misinformation, oh my!.pptx
share - Lions, tigers, AI and health misinformation, oh my!.pptx
 
Osteoporosis - Definition , Evaluation and Management .pdf
Osteoporosis - Definition , Evaluation and Management .pdfOsteoporosis - Definition , Evaluation and Management .pdf
Osteoporosis - Definition , Evaluation and Management .pdf
 
Cervical Disc Arthroplasty ORSI 2024.pptx
Cervical Disc Arthroplasty ORSI 2024.pptxCervical Disc Arthroplasty ORSI 2024.pptx
Cervical Disc Arthroplasty ORSI 2024.pptx
 
NARCOTICS- POLICY AND PROCEDURES FOR ITS USE
NARCOTICS- POLICY AND PROCEDURES FOR ITS USENARCOTICS- POLICY AND PROCEDURES FOR ITS USE
NARCOTICS- POLICY AND PROCEDURES FOR ITS USE
 
Artificial Intelligence Symposium (THAIS)
Artificial Intelligence Symposium (THAIS)Artificial Intelligence Symposium (THAIS)
Artificial Intelligence Symposium (THAIS)
 
June 2024 Oncology Cartoons By Dr Kanhu Charan Patro
June 2024 Oncology Cartoons By Dr Kanhu Charan PatroJune 2024 Oncology Cartoons By Dr Kanhu Charan Patro
June 2024 Oncology Cartoons By Dr Kanhu Charan Patro
 
Medical Quiz ( Online Quiz for API Meet 2024 ).pdf
Medical Quiz ( Online Quiz for API Meet 2024 ).pdfMedical Quiz ( Online Quiz for API Meet 2024 ).pdf
Medical Quiz ( Online Quiz for API Meet 2024 ).pdf
 
Abortion PG Seminar Power point presentation
Abortion PG Seminar Power point presentationAbortion PG Seminar Power point presentation
Abortion PG Seminar Power point presentation
 
The Nervous and Chemical Regulation of Respiration
The Nervous and Chemical Regulation of RespirationThe Nervous and Chemical Regulation of Respiration
The Nervous and Chemical Regulation of Respiration
 
Muscles of Mastication by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Muscles of Mastication by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptxMuscles of Mastication by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
Muscles of Mastication by Dr. Rabia Inam Gandapore.pptx
 
Tests for analysis of different pharmaceutical.pptx
Tests for analysis of different pharmaceutical.pptxTests for analysis of different pharmaceutical.pptx
Tests for analysis of different pharmaceutical.pptx
 
Promoting Wellbeing - Applied Social Psychology - Psychology SuperNotes
Promoting Wellbeing - Applied Social Psychology - Psychology SuperNotesPromoting Wellbeing - Applied Social Psychology - Psychology SuperNotes
Promoting Wellbeing - Applied Social Psychology - Psychology SuperNotes
 

QUIZ RNS

  • 2. 57EMG: Myasthenia? Patient with bilat ptosis but no arm or leg weakness. RNS in nasalis and deltoid normal. SFEMG in orb oculi and frontalis normal. 1. Ocular MG 2. Generalized MG 3. Myopathy 4. Bell palsy Normal SFEMg findings are strong indications that symptoms are NOT MG. In this case, it may be a myopathy, often with very little of jitter abnormalities
  • 3. 57EMG: Myasthenia? Patient with bilat ptosis but no arm or leg weakness. RNS in nasalis and deltoid normal. SFEMG in orb oculi and frontalis normal. 1. Ocular MG 2. Generalized MG 3. Myopathy 4. Bell palsy Normal SFEMg findings are strong indications that symptoms are NOT MG. In this case, it may be a myopathy, often with very little of jitter abnormalities
  • 4. Which is the optimal time for maximal voluntary activation in RNS tests in MG and LEM respectively? 1
  • 5. Which is the optimal time for maximal voluntary activation in RNS tests in MG and LEM respectively? 45-60 sec to provoke MG exhaustion 10 sec to see LEM facilitation 1
  • 6. RNS • Is the head moving when you perform correctly RNS from trapezius muscle (stim behind the sternocleid muscles)? NO, move stim • Is it normal to have some degree of “biting” when you perform RNS of the nasalis muscle? If not, what to do? No, direct stim of masseter muscle, move stim 1
  • 7. RNS • Is the head moving when you perform correctly RNS from trapezius muscle (stim behind the sternocleid muscles)? NO, move stim • Is it normal to have some degree of “biting” when you perform RNS of the nasalis muscle? If not, what to do? No, direct stim of masseter muscle, move stim 1
  • 8. Q 43. Tests of LEM? The important finding is strong facilitation (> 60% amplitude increase) This is accomplished by 1. 10 sec voluntary activation or 2. Stim 20 (-50) Hz for 1 sec. Note, the facilitation should be assessed from the amplitude obtained after first single stimulus after the train. (during the train the muscle is shortening, which changes the amplitude by up to 40%) 8
  • 9. Q 43. Tests of LEM The important finding is strong facilitation (> 60% amplitude increase) This is accomplished by 1. 10 sec voluntary activation or 2. Stim 20 (-50) Hz for 1 sec. Note, the facilitation should be assessed from the amplitude obtained after first single stimulus immediately after the train. (during the train the muscle is shortening, which changes the amplitude by up to 43%) 9
  • 12. 47 year old lady HISTORY AND FINDINGS • previously healthy • since 3 months increasingly weak • can walk 200 m, subjectively weaker right side • last month in wheelchair • hoarse, swallowing difficulties • orthostatic hypotension • obstipated CLINICAL: • fatigable neck muscles • weak leg muscles • no atrophy of facial muscles • areflexia Q3
  • 14. Repetitive nerve stimulation: m. ADM sin Q3 rest rest 0 after 20 sec act 60 sec after act 3 min afdter act
  • 16. CT thorax – normal VGCC antibodies – positive Diagnosis? a. MG b. LEM c. axonal neuropati d. AMAN e. post polio syndrom Comment: Not all muscles show the typical facilitation. No data from other muscles 20 sec may be too long, prefer 10 sec Do not exclude LEM from normal study of ONE muscle 47 year old lady