2013 
Philosophy Project 
Tenseless Time 
Class 11BSM4 – Group C 
Leader: Hứa Bảo Duy 
Group members: 
 Nguyễn Thị Phương Hà 
 Hoàng Lê Trang Đài 
 Phạm Thùy An 
 Trần Nhật Hạ
When we argue each other about the issue of time, we usually have some questions like Can we 
travel to the future or come back to the past? Follow philosopher John M. E. McTaggart, we can 
answer by two hypothesizes: Seri-A is the cause is changed lead to effect is changed or Seri-B is 
many causes are changed lead to only an effect. If we analyze the above question by Seri-B, The 
answers from theory or prognostication is never stop and is not banned by anyone, it continues 
being created more and more. However, we are limited by many conditions like on technical 
barriers that we cannot overcome in this universe which we are living. Have you ever thought 
you will come back to the past so that you can fix your huge mistake that you have done? I 
certainly will not be able to decide to answer this for you but in my opinion and that of most 
others is the answers will be “Yes". It may be evident because most always want to fix their 
mistake to have the best results in their life. Moreover, human greed is unlimited but human 
know that when they try to fix something wrong, they are sometime unintentional make other 
things become worse more. According to philosopher Augustine he believes that God created 
time and space, God existed before time, his hypothesis nearly show us realize that the time is a 
flow "hard", events occur serial. It means it will be will. Indeed, even we contribute anything to 
fix it; we cannot change the fate that must happen. It seems be arranged so that we have to 
undergo, not escape by anyway. Moreover, we try to change it but inadvertently it can lead us to 
another ways that absolutely have the result like initial result. 
One of the theories pointed out obviously about the time that is the Stoics. It relates a complete 
fatalism. According to the Fatalism theory, “everything that happens must happen and there is 
nothing we can do about it, since the casual agency is beyond our control or influence, instead of 
brooding about the course of event past, present, and future, we ought to accept the prevailing
state of affairs – what occurs must occur” (Richard H. Popkin, Avrum Stroll, 2013)1. Indeed, 
everything in this world has been arranged by the fate. What happens then naturally it will 
happen whether we contribute anything to fix it. In case of contribution, we do not really do it 
completely changed. Just as we can only distort the outer shell but we cannot change the nature 
of the inner core. Thus, we have to accept as the nature for it to happen when it happens. 
Moreover, sometime we try to contribute to complete it but inadvertently it leads to other one 
direction deviations. The situation in Butterfly Effect 3 Film has showed through the difficult 
choice of the main character in the film -Sam. He wanted to save his younger sister, so he 
plunged into the game that was the challenge fate has been predetermined. He cannot deny that 
even though he has tried to contribute and repaired it several times but he cannot change the fate. 
On the contrary, all his contributions made everything become more complicatedly. As the 
argument above, can we intervene in the happening must happen? The answer is the difficult 
determination because men are only a small element in a sequence of events that has been 
arranged by the fate. We can only contribute a small part to improve the drawback but we cannot 
change what will happen. As well as we cannot predict how it was arranged to control it exactly. 
It happens or will happen, and we have to accept that the fact. Even though the fact that is as 
expected or unexpected, my fate was put into. For example, Sam did not expect that even he save 
his younger sister from the fire in the past, and then his younger sister would have to die. 
Therefore, we can never change the truth and we must be really to face that. 
Why at first Sam saved Jenna? Sam saved his young sister because he thinks that he can repair 
the past, and can change the future. However, the events string happened after that is beyond his 
control due to the events string be broken by his action and reflect in another way cause many 
1Richard H. Popkin, Avrum Stroll. (2013). Fatalism. In Philosophy I Made Simple (p. 128).
horrible thing. If Jenna did not die, she would cause a chain of the serious errors- she continued 
to cause other fault that cannot control. Thus, Sam has to let what happen must happen. 
Why Sam killed Jenna again? The Stoic Determinism said that, “everything that happens, 
happens for a reason, and the reason is the plan of the cosmic rational element, there is complete 
determinism in nature” (Richard H. Popkin, Avrum Stroll, 2013)2. That means everything is 
decided by any reasons and it is a part of cosmic rational element. Hence when we impact in it, 
maybe we indirectly make them worse than the original events. Comeback to the Butterfly Effect 
3 Film, in the fire, the fate of Jenna wad decided that she will not escape. Therefore, when Sam 
tries to change the fate of Jenna, he makes the rotation of the events taking place in a different 
dimension and it is worse. He decide to finally return to the past and keep event in the original 
level that it must take place in the hope of avoiding the bad things when we change the first 
cause of events string. However, the result of the film once again shows that there is only one 
consequence whether the sequence of the events takes place in what manner or dimensions. 
Moreover, human beings just can contribute to its process but not changing it. 
If you had a supernatural ability to turn back the time and came to your past, you could change 
events which you ever experienced them in your life. According to Spinoza, “The problem of 
free will deals primarily with the human element in the universe –whether or not is it the ‘captain 
of its fate’ to any degree” (Richard H. Popkin, Avrum Stroll, 2013)3. Are you believe in 
predestine of destiny or in your experience of your own behaviour and own decisions? This is a 
difficult question for your own real choice. There are two opposing items for your decision. In 
first way, you can turn back your past to change events or repair problems which you ever 
2 Richard H. Popkin, Avrum Stroll. (2013). Stoic Determinism. In Philosophy I Made Simple (p. 128). 
3 Richard H. Popkin, Avrum Stroll. (2013). problem of Free will. In Philosophy I Made Simple (p. 114).
mistook. Also, the result of alteration will bring to something is better for your present and 
future, are you sure? In other way, you can live continuously in your present life though you 
don’t know how to your future and the occurrence of the past is only your own memory which is 
unchanged. How do you know “free will”? It requires real choices-whether we are truly free 
people to have free will that our choices are unaffected by anything occur or not. For example, 
Sam is a main character in movie “The Butterfly Effect 3”. He must choose to save his younger 
sister-Jenna or kill her. If he saved Jenna, he could create a cruel murderer and cause many 
innocent deaths in the future. Hence, is his decision actually real choice when he must decide 
between the death of other people and his younger sister? In this case, he must consider between 
two choices, and he would be morally responsible for his actions if he killed her. In ethical side, 
we think whether his behaviours are true. However, we cannot blame him for killing Jenna is 
false, any more than we can blame his cruel destiny which binds him, and it also changes her 
nature to become criminal so Sam’s responsibility for his action is unimportant. According to 
hard determinism, we are not free for our own choice and behaviours, or there are no such 
junctures due to our choices are limited. It means that we can only choose something base on 
arrangement of the fated cycle. For a reason, “there is no escape from it- we are forever slaves to 
it”. Thus, real choice does not exist so we are not morally responsible for our actions.

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  • 1.
    2013 Philosophy Project Tenseless Time Class 11BSM4 – Group C Leader: Hứa Bảo Duy Group members:  Nguyễn Thị Phương Hà  Hoàng Lê Trang Đài  Phạm Thùy An  Trần Nhật Hạ
  • 2.
    When we argueeach other about the issue of time, we usually have some questions like Can we travel to the future or come back to the past? Follow philosopher John M. E. McTaggart, we can answer by two hypothesizes: Seri-A is the cause is changed lead to effect is changed or Seri-B is many causes are changed lead to only an effect. If we analyze the above question by Seri-B, The answers from theory or prognostication is never stop and is not banned by anyone, it continues being created more and more. However, we are limited by many conditions like on technical barriers that we cannot overcome in this universe which we are living. Have you ever thought you will come back to the past so that you can fix your huge mistake that you have done? I certainly will not be able to decide to answer this for you but in my opinion and that of most others is the answers will be “Yes". It may be evident because most always want to fix their mistake to have the best results in their life. Moreover, human greed is unlimited but human know that when they try to fix something wrong, they are sometime unintentional make other things become worse more. According to philosopher Augustine he believes that God created time and space, God existed before time, his hypothesis nearly show us realize that the time is a flow "hard", events occur serial. It means it will be will. Indeed, even we contribute anything to fix it; we cannot change the fate that must happen. It seems be arranged so that we have to undergo, not escape by anyway. Moreover, we try to change it but inadvertently it can lead us to another ways that absolutely have the result like initial result. One of the theories pointed out obviously about the time that is the Stoics. It relates a complete fatalism. According to the Fatalism theory, “everything that happens must happen and there is nothing we can do about it, since the casual agency is beyond our control or influence, instead of brooding about the course of event past, present, and future, we ought to accept the prevailing
  • 3.
    state of affairs– what occurs must occur” (Richard H. Popkin, Avrum Stroll, 2013)1. Indeed, everything in this world has been arranged by the fate. What happens then naturally it will happen whether we contribute anything to fix it. In case of contribution, we do not really do it completely changed. Just as we can only distort the outer shell but we cannot change the nature of the inner core. Thus, we have to accept as the nature for it to happen when it happens. Moreover, sometime we try to contribute to complete it but inadvertently it leads to other one direction deviations. The situation in Butterfly Effect 3 Film has showed through the difficult choice of the main character in the film -Sam. He wanted to save his younger sister, so he plunged into the game that was the challenge fate has been predetermined. He cannot deny that even though he has tried to contribute and repaired it several times but he cannot change the fate. On the contrary, all his contributions made everything become more complicatedly. As the argument above, can we intervene in the happening must happen? The answer is the difficult determination because men are only a small element in a sequence of events that has been arranged by the fate. We can only contribute a small part to improve the drawback but we cannot change what will happen. As well as we cannot predict how it was arranged to control it exactly. It happens or will happen, and we have to accept that the fact. Even though the fact that is as expected or unexpected, my fate was put into. For example, Sam did not expect that even he save his younger sister from the fire in the past, and then his younger sister would have to die. Therefore, we can never change the truth and we must be really to face that. Why at first Sam saved Jenna? Sam saved his young sister because he thinks that he can repair the past, and can change the future. However, the events string happened after that is beyond his control due to the events string be broken by his action and reflect in another way cause many 1Richard H. Popkin, Avrum Stroll. (2013). Fatalism. In Philosophy I Made Simple (p. 128).
  • 4.
    horrible thing. IfJenna did not die, she would cause a chain of the serious errors- she continued to cause other fault that cannot control. Thus, Sam has to let what happen must happen. Why Sam killed Jenna again? The Stoic Determinism said that, “everything that happens, happens for a reason, and the reason is the plan of the cosmic rational element, there is complete determinism in nature” (Richard H. Popkin, Avrum Stroll, 2013)2. That means everything is decided by any reasons and it is a part of cosmic rational element. Hence when we impact in it, maybe we indirectly make them worse than the original events. Comeback to the Butterfly Effect 3 Film, in the fire, the fate of Jenna wad decided that she will not escape. Therefore, when Sam tries to change the fate of Jenna, he makes the rotation of the events taking place in a different dimension and it is worse. He decide to finally return to the past and keep event in the original level that it must take place in the hope of avoiding the bad things when we change the first cause of events string. However, the result of the film once again shows that there is only one consequence whether the sequence of the events takes place in what manner or dimensions. Moreover, human beings just can contribute to its process but not changing it. If you had a supernatural ability to turn back the time and came to your past, you could change events which you ever experienced them in your life. According to Spinoza, “The problem of free will deals primarily with the human element in the universe –whether or not is it the ‘captain of its fate’ to any degree” (Richard H. Popkin, Avrum Stroll, 2013)3. Are you believe in predestine of destiny or in your experience of your own behaviour and own decisions? This is a difficult question for your own real choice. There are two opposing items for your decision. In first way, you can turn back your past to change events or repair problems which you ever 2 Richard H. Popkin, Avrum Stroll. (2013). Stoic Determinism. In Philosophy I Made Simple (p. 128). 3 Richard H. Popkin, Avrum Stroll. (2013). problem of Free will. In Philosophy I Made Simple (p. 114).
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    mistook. Also, theresult of alteration will bring to something is better for your present and future, are you sure? In other way, you can live continuously in your present life though you don’t know how to your future and the occurrence of the past is only your own memory which is unchanged. How do you know “free will”? It requires real choices-whether we are truly free people to have free will that our choices are unaffected by anything occur or not. For example, Sam is a main character in movie “The Butterfly Effect 3”. He must choose to save his younger sister-Jenna or kill her. If he saved Jenna, he could create a cruel murderer and cause many innocent deaths in the future. Hence, is his decision actually real choice when he must decide between the death of other people and his younger sister? In this case, he must consider between two choices, and he would be morally responsible for his actions if he killed her. In ethical side, we think whether his behaviours are true. However, we cannot blame him for killing Jenna is false, any more than we can blame his cruel destiny which binds him, and it also changes her nature to become criminal so Sam’s responsibility for his action is unimportant. According to hard determinism, we are not free for our own choice and behaviours, or there are no such junctures due to our choices are limited. It means that we can only choose something base on arrangement of the fated cycle. For a reason, “there is no escape from it- we are forever slaves to it”. Thus, real choice does not exist so we are not morally responsible for our actions.