Qualitative Research

1. Austin
Phillips,
Jasmin
Santiago,
and
Mark
Yanoshick
Transcripts
Interview
with
Joe*
C- Cody
Jasmin- Jasmin
M- Mark
Joe- Joe
C:
Take
us
through
your
typical
day.
Joe:
Well
usually
I
[…]
well
wake
up
[um]
some
of
us
have
breakfast,
some
of
us
don’t,
[uh]
some
might
be
into
a
shelter,
some
may
be
on
the
street
but
we
all
usually
try
and
like
get
some
breakfast
[mumbles].
Jasmin:
you
say
‘we’
and
‘they’
and
stuff
like
that,
like
are
you
with
a
group
or
anything
or?
Joe:
um
yes
the
group
im
in
I
stay
at
the
valley
rescue
mission,
so
of,
pretty
much
the
typical
guys
I
see
coming
in
uh
Jasmin:
mhmm
C:
so
they
provide
breakfast
there?
Joe:
yea
valley
rescue
mission,
they
provide,
that
is
a
mens
shelter
so
they
provide,
sleep,
shelter,
uh
food,
breakfast
and
dinner,
and
then
we
also
get
a
church
service
so
C:
okay
Jasmin:
mhmm
C:
that,
that’s
cool.
Um
so
do
you
normally
stay
there
most
of
your
day
or
do
they
have
you,
you
have
to
leave
at
a
certain
time?
Joe:
um
you
have
to
leave
at
7o’clock
in
the
morning
C:
okay,
wow
that’s
pretty
early
Joe:
you,
you
check
in
from
2:30
to
6:30
C:
okay
Joe:
those
are
the
times
that
uh,
at
2:30
people
come
in
and
they
get
their
bed,
then
around
say
4:30
that’s
when
they
feed
us
and
then
at
6:30
we
have
a
chapel
C:
mhmm
Joe:
so
all
the
men
in
the
building
have
to
come
to
chapel
for
two
hours,
ya
know
discuss
life
settings
and
try
and
do
better,
and
maybe
get
some
teachers
to
come
in
sometimes.
C:
oh
so
that’s
that’s
pretty
cool
to
me
cause
ya
know,
we’re
talking
about
education,
so
that’s
almost
like
a
class
they
have
you
go
to?
Joe:
something
like
that
C:
something
like
that?
And
uh
what
what
do
they
normally
talk
about
in
there?
What’s..
is
it
usually
the
same
topic
or
they
talk
about
different
things?
Austin Phillips 2/27/15 1:09 AM
Comment [1]: Is
religion
an
extra
source
of
hope?
An
idea
that
there
can
b
a
better
future?

2. Joe:
eh,
we
talk
about
[mumbles]
things
like,
some
like,
it’s
always
a
preacher
that
comes
in,
a
preacher
from
a
different
church
or
someone
that’s
well
known
in
the
area,
somebody
that
has
been
in
our
situation
and
gotten
out.
C:
okay
Jasmin:
mhmm
Joe:
so
what
they’ll
do
is,
they’ll
come
they
speak
to
us,
most
of
the
time
it’s
just
ya
know
praying
to
God.
C:
okay,
so
a
lot
of
it’s
spiritual
education
Joe:
yea
C:
okay,
and
do
they
talk
to
you
about
like,
certain
programs
or
anything
Joe:
um
C:
to
help
you
out
or
is
it
mostly
just
like
a
church
thing?
Joe:
it’s
mostly
like
a
church
thing.
C:
oh
okay,
alright
Jasmin:
what
was
the
level
of
education
that
you
got,
I
mean
the
highest
one?
Joe:
well
I
got
my
GED
Jasmine:
you
got
your
GED?
Joe:
yes
Jasmin:
awesome
C;
alright
um,
so
the
next
question
would
be
how
do
you
value
knowledge?
Joe:
[giggles]
I
value
my
knowledge,
my,
I
can
only
speak
for
myself
C:
mhmm
Jasmin:
yea
C:
of
course
Joe:
but
I
value
my
knowledge
to
a
point
where
I
feel
as
if
[pause],
I
don’t
know
how
to
best
finish
that
sentence
but
I
guess
the
best
way
to
say
is,
that
I
like
history.
C;
okay
Joe:
and
I
like
math
C:
oh
really?
Joe:
and
I
wanted
to
become
an
accountant,
whe,
when
I
first
got
out
of
high
school
Jasmin:
mhmm
Joe:
I
actually
had,
was
able
to,
like
take
a
position
in
the
army
for
accounting
C:
Okay
Jasmin:
so
you
enrolled
in
the
army?
Joe:
I
didn’t
unfortunately,
because
of
some
things
that
happened
with
my
mom
but
[eh]
that’s
another
story.
C:
mhmm
Joe:
But
[um]
I
just
never
got
back
into
school
C:
okay
[um]
so
when
since
you’ve
become
homeless
how
do
you
feel
that
the
knowledge
you
have,
you
like
you
said
history,
and
you
like
math
Joe:
right
C:
how
do
you
feel
those
things
have
helped
you
or
have
they?
Joe:
I’m
a
firm
believer
in,
if
you
don’t
learn
from
your
past
your
doomed
to
repeat
it.
C:
mhmm,
of
course
Joe:
and
I
guess
I
can
colitide
to
like
being
a
colitide
to
my
history
of
being
homeless
but
as
far
as
math
[…]

3. Jasmin:
mumbles
Joe:
[laughs]
not
really
[laughs]
Jasmin:
[laughs]
C:
maybe
if
you
get
a
you
know,
you
know,
you
get
some
money
help
it
–
Joe:
eh
yea
C:
you
stretch
it
out
as
far
as
you
can,
you
know
Joe:
that’s
a
rare
occasion
Jasmin
&
C:
really?
Joe:
cause
it’s
not
like
I’m
just
going
over
there
being
homeless
and
not
doing
anything
so
[uh]
Jasmin
&
C:
yea
Joe:
I
actually
go
out
and
look
for
jobs
Jasmin:
yea
C:
of
course
Joe:
and
right
now
I’m
working
with
a
tempt
service
called
[mumbles]
off
of
3rd
avenue.
C:
I
think
I
might
have
heard
of
that,
what,
what
exactly
do
you
do
there?
Joe:
[um]
it
pretty
much,
their
a
tempt
service,
what
they
do
they
contract
out
men
to
different
contracters
for
their
buildings
like,
Jasmin;
oh
okay
Joe:
like
a
couple
weeks
ago
I
was
helping
build
troy
university
off
the
13th
street
bridge.
C:
okay
yea
yea
Joe:
[mumbles]
seen
it
be
built?
C;
yea
construction
over
there.
You
like
doing
that?
Is
that,
or
is
it
harder
sometimes
than
it
is
other
times?
Joe:
I
mean
[…]
[knock
on
the
door]
Jasmin:
[gets
up]
someone’s
in
here
[opens
door]
[Woman
in
charge
of
Homeless
Resource
Network]:
I
was
just
gonna
ask
what
time
[mumbles]
would
be
good
you
all
could
come
back?
Jasmin:
[um]
I
have
no
idea
[mumbles]
[Woman
in
charge
of
Homeless
Resource
Network]:
sure
no
no
just
let
me
know
Jasmin:
Okay
[closes
door]
C:
sorry
man
Joe:
you’re
alright
C:
[um]
so
you
said
you
[uh]
they
paid
you
different
jobs,
you
built,
helped
build
troy
university
Joe:
yea
C;
okay
[um],
so
I
guess
my
next
question
is
how
do
you
define
education?
Is
it
just
what
you’ve
been
through
in
school
or
you
still
trying
to
learn
new
things
to
help
you
get
out
of
homelessness?
Joe:
[pauses]
[hand
motions]
[trying
to
find
the
right
words
to
say]
Jasmin:
[giggles]
Joe:
its
–
Jasmin:
mumbles

4. Joe:
it’s
not
that
you
don’t
learn
anything
from
being
homeless
C:
mhmm
Joe:
cause
you
do,
you
you
you,
you
have
to
learn
things,
you
have
to
learn
survival
Jasmin:
yea
Joe:
you
have
to
learn
how
to
take
care
of
your
own,
but
at
the
same
time
there’s
always
that
little
thought
in
the
back
of
your
mind,
‘am
I
always
gonna
be
like
this’
C;
yea
Joe:
so,
it
might
automatically
looks
as
survival
when
your
obviously
looking
for
the
better.
C;
mhmm
Joe:
so,
me
being
a
godly
person
I
feel
as
this
time
right
now,
cause
I,
I
haven’t
always
been
homeless,
like
I’ve
had
my
own
place
before,
I
had
a
car,
I
had
a
nice
job,
and
I’m
only
23,
I
have
a
[…],
something
happened
where
I
wasn’t
as
smart
as
I
should’ve
been,
that’s
why
I’m
homeless
now.
C:
So,
say
you
learned
from
your
mistakes
more
than
anything?
Joe:
Yep.
Tha,
that
has
a
lot
to
do
with
that.
Jasmin:
so,
so
what
else
were
you
going
to
say
though?
Joe:
but
[um]
I
lost
my
train
of
though
[…]
Everyone:
[giggles]
Joe:
[um]
[…]
what
was
the
question
again?
Everyone:
[giggles]
C:
[uh]
How
[uh]
how
do
you
value
knowledge
or
Jasmin:
define
C:
de,
define
education,
yea
[um]
Joe;
in
a
cluster,
I
I,
I
value
education
very
highly,
I
mean,
I
wanna
get
back
into
school
not
just
because
I
wanna
get
off
the
street
but
I
know
that,
I
have
a
two
year
old
daughter.
C
&
Jasmin:
mhmm
Joe:
so,
me
being
only
23
and
having
a
2
year
old
daughter,
daughter,
oh
my
gosh,
sorry
Jasmin:
mhmm
Joe:
I
need
to
have
something
stable
for
her.
C;
yea
Joe:
and
I
feel
it’s
me
getting
an
education
would
be
the
best
thing
for
that.
C:
okay,
[um]
so
how
would
you
define
ignorance?
If
you
were
saying
someone
is
ignorant
what
does
that
mean
exactly?
Joe:
[strong
hand
gestures]
[big
sigh-­‐
Whew]
Jasmin
&
C:
[giggles]
Jasmin:
it
looks
like
you
got
some
emotion
built
up
C:
[giggles]
[mumbles]
Joe:
I.
Hate.
The
little,
literal
term
ignorant.
[pause]
as
in
towards
people,
I
I
I
hate
ignorant
people.
Jasmin
&
C:
mhmm
Joe:
I
[hand
gestures]
Jasmin:
[giggles]
C:
what
would
you
say
Austin Phillips 11/4/14 10:44 AM
Comment [2]: He
feels
like
education
is
the
key
to
giving
himself
a
brighter
future.
Austin Phillips 11/4/14 10:35 AM
Comment [3]: He
had
hope
that
his
daughter
would
grow
up
to
have
a
better
life
than
he
has,
and
to
have
a
good
education

5. Jasmin:
like
how
would
you
define
that?
C;
yea
Joe:
I
would
define
ignorant
as,
when
you
know
you
need
to
do
something
and
you
don’t
do
it
because
you
don’t
want
to.
But
you
know
you
need
to
do
it.
Like,
for
instance,
I
think
ignorance
is
you
have
to
pay
a
light
bill
C;
mhmm
Joe:
you
have
the
money
in
your
hand,
but
you
go
to
a
poker
club
all
night,
night.
Jasmin:
mmm
C;
gotcha
Joe:
that’s
ignorance.
C:
yea
I
would
agree
Jasmin:
yea
Joe:
Or,
nu
nuh,
the
lack
of
not
knowing
that,
the
lack
of
knowing
knowledge.
C:
so
just
plain
you,
you
don’t-­‐
(pay
attention)
Joe:
not
caring!
C:
you
don’t
care
so
you
never
have
to
learn
anything
Joe:
Right.
Like
if
im
not
mistaken
what
did
Einstein
say
about
ignorance,
uh
man,
C;
I
know
what
your
talking
about,
I
know
that
quote-­‐
Joe:
yea
C;
it’s
on
the
tip
of
my
tongue
too
Joe:
yea
C:
we’ll
look
it
up
later
Jasmin:
[giggles]
Joe:
it’s
a
quote
einstien
said
about
ignorance
and
Jasmin:
is
that
like,
ressinate
a
lot
with
you?
Joe:
it
does.
It
really
does.
C:
[um]
so
a
lot
of
people
using
the
saying
“Knowledge
is
power”,
what
uh,
what
do
you
think
about
that?
You
think
that’s
true
or
true
to
an
extent?
Joe:
I
believe,
that
we
are
raised
in
a
crooked
world,
C:
mhmm
Joe:
so
I
do
believe
that
knowledge
is
power.
Unfortunately
[…]
C:
uh-­‐
Jasmin:
why?-­‐
Joe:
Cause-­‐
C:
what
do
you
mean
by
a
crooked
world?
Joe:
well
[pause]
people
that
usually,
people
that
usually
extend
to
over
their
knowledge
C:
mhmm
Joe:
are
doing
it
for
either
a
great
purpose
in
mind-­‐
C:
mhmm
Joe:
that
might
later
turn
out
to
be
wrong
C:
mhmm
Joe:
or
they’re
just
doing
it
for
the
wrong
reasons
C;
well,
what
do
you
mean
wrong
reasons?
Joe:
for
instance,
there’s
this
guy
I
know,
he
went
to
school
with
me
and
then
when
he
graduated
I
had
got
my
GED,
cause
I
quit
school
in
the
11th
grade,
and
went
and
Austin Phillips 11/4/14 10:42 AM
Comment [4]: All
three
of
our
interviewees
had
a
strong
response
when
we
asked
about
ignorance.
Seems
to
be
a
common
theme
is
that
maybe
all
of
them
have
dealt
with
in
their
life.

6. got
my
GED,
cause
I
didn’t
wanna
do
the
12th
year,
grade
year
cause
[shrugs…]
anyways
[laughs]
C:
(I
think
we’ve
all,
I
think
we’ve
all
felt
like
that
sometimes)
cause
I’m
so
done
with
this
Joe:
right
C:
[laughs]
Joe:
and
the
teachers,
just
the
teachers,
they’re
not
Jasmin:
yea
Joe:
but
[um]
[pause]
dang
[…]
C;
the
guy
you
went
to
school
with?
Joe:
oh
yea!
The
guy
I
went
to
school
for,
he,
after
we,
he
graduated,
I
had
got
my
GED,
we
had
[mumbles]
one
night,
and
we
was
just
talking
back
and
forth
about
what
we
gonna
do
with
ourselves
later
on
in
life.
Jasmin
&
C:
mhmm
Joe:
he
said
says
that
he
doesn’t
know,
he
thinks
he’s
gonna
go
to
college,
I’m
like
oh
man
that’s
cool
though,
I
think
imma
go
too,
but
then
he
later
on
said,
yea
because
I
need
all
the
money
I
can
get
for
my
sister
and
im
like
you
going
to
school
just
to
collect
money?
C:
mhmm
Joe:
you
should
be
going
there
because
you
know
you
wanna
do
something
with
your
life.
And
I
feel
that
was
a
bad
choice
he
made
because
he
wasn’t
going
there
for
the
knowledge,
he
wasn’t
trying
to
better
himself,
he
was
just
trying
to
use
that
as
a
scapegoat
to
get
money.
C:
he
just
wanted
that
degree
so
maybe
someone
would
hire
him
and
pay
more?
Joe:
no,
no
no,
no
he
just
wanted
the
check
that
they
gave,
you
get
C
&
Jasmin:
OH!
C:
I
see
Jasmin:
he
just
wanted
the
money
Joe:
the
federal
grants
and
[mumbles]
he
wasn’t
trying
to
better
himself.
C:
okay
Jasmin:
so
to
you,
you
value
education
differently?
Joe:
right
C:
[mumbles]
Joe:
I
feel
as
if
your
gonna
go
to
school
don’t
make
it
a
money
bath
make
it
for,
make
it
a
reason,
a
solid
reason
why
if
you
wanna
go
to
school
to
be
a
doctor,
that’s
good,
if
you
wanna
go
to
school
to
be
a
nurse,
good,
I
mean
if
you
gonna
go
just
waste
your
time
just
to
get
a
check
every
couple
of
months
[…]
Jasmin
&
C:
mhmm
Jasmin:
what
was
[uh]
the
best
and
worst
experiences
you
ever
had
in
like
school?
Joe:
[laughs]
Jasmin:
[giggles]
Joe:
Oh
God
well!
See
my
name
is
Joe
**
**,
you
could
only
imagine
what
people
from
like
3rd
grade
to
8th
grade
would
be
like
‘hey
it’s
Joe
**
**!
It’s
peepee’
Jasmin
&
C:
oh…
oh
my
god
Joe:
[laughing]
Jasmin:
I
can’t
believe
they
made
fun
of
you
for
that?

7. C:
kids
will
come
up
with
some
crazy
stuff
Joe:
yeahhh,
so
from
3rd
to
8th
grade,
that
was
hell
but
as
soon
as
I
got
to
high
school
I
got,
started
playing
sports
and
what
[mumbles]
C:
[mumbles]
Joe:
yea
[mumbles]
I
actually
start
taking
up
karate
and
boxing
but
I
got
my
green
belt
in
[um]
jujitsu
C:
okay
Joe:
in
jujitsu
but
I
really
couldn’t
do
anything
about
boxing
[laughs]
Jasmin
&
C:
[giggle]
C:
you
just
like
to
get
hit,
jujitsu,
football,
boxing
Joe:
I
don’t
C:
you
like
to
hit
people
Joe:
there
ya
go
Everyone:
[laughs]
C:
I
gotcha,
so
how
did
you
value
education
growing
up?
Joe:
mmm
growing
up
it
really
wasn’t
like
C:
a
big
deal?
Joe:
eh
eh
eh
it
wasn’t,
anything
of
my
education
it
was
more
mindset
of,
this
is
why
I’m
suppose
to
do
everyday.
C;
mhmm,
that’s
one
thing-­‐
Jasmin:
a
rountine?
C:
I
feel-­‐
Joe:
Yea!
It’s
just
a
routine,
you
don’t
really
acutally
think
that
you’re
going
to
school,
you
just
know
that
you’re
leaving
your
mom
for
a
couple
of
hours
[laughs]
and
coming
back
[laughs]
Everyone:
[laughs]
C:
[um]
how
was-­‐
Jasmin:
[giggles]
that’s
good
C:
your
perspective
of
education
changed
through
the
[uh]
homeless
experience
[pause]
Jasmin:
like
compared
to
it
before
C:
yea
Joe:
well,
I
would
always
value
education
ev,
since
my
sophomore
year
of
high
school,
so
like
it
really
hasn’t
changed
because
like
either
you
value
it
or
you
don’t.
C:
mhmm
Joe:
this
is
like,
unless
you
just
went
through
an
experience
where
education
was
a
key
factor,
like
I’m,
then
not
really.
C:
okay
Jasmin:
what,
what
do
you
do
now
to
like
still
I
guess
progress
your
education,
now,
Joe:
well
like
I
said-­‐
Jasmin:
what
are
some
ways
that
you
do
it?
Joe:
like
I
said
earlier,
like
im
trying
to
get
into
Columbus
tech
now
because
like
I
said
I,
my
daughter
is
two
and
she’s
gonna
have
to
go
to
school
herself
some
time
so,
I’m
going
there
I’m
trying
become,
I’m
trying
either
do
business
or
go
the
dream
that
I
wanna
do
is
music,
don’t
make
fun
of
me.
[Laughs]
Austin Phillips 2/27/15 1:10 AM
Comment [5]: Family
priority
to
achieve
better
education.

8. C;
If
I
was
in,
if
I
could
do
music
I
would
cause
I,
I
I
love
listening
to
music.
I’m
just
not
that
talented
[laughs]
Jasmin:
yea
[…]
do
you
like
go
to
libraries
or
stuff
or
like
just
go
to
[uh]
classes
that
you
were
talking
about
and
they
like?
Joe:
no
no,
that’s
not
what
I’m
saying
I’m
trying
to
go
to
school
now
Jasmin:
mhmm
Joe:
like,
I
already
applied
and
what
not
I
was
just
trying
to
get
all
the
credentials
out
of
the
way
because
apparently
I
have
to
go
to
IRS
building
and
the
IRS
building
moved
from
Macon
all
the
way
to
Gateway
[laughs]
Jasmin:
ohhh
C:
oh
yea
Jasmin:
you
had
to
walk
all
the
way
over
there…
C;
[um]
so
where
do
you
see
yourself
in
the
future?
Joe:
near
future
or
C:
near
future
or
Jasmin:
your
perspective
C;
yea
just
[uh]
or
later
on
down
the
road,
Joe:
oh
C:
where
do
you
want
to
be?
Joe:
a
year
from
now?
C:
start
from
there
Joe:
I
need
to
be
in
my
own
place
C:
okay,
so
you
want
to
be
going
to
school
and
get
your
own
place
Joe:
yea
C:
a
year
from
now,
what
about
5
years
down
the
road?
Joe:
five
years
down
the
road?
[pause]
the
mother
of
my
child,
is
evil.
Everyone:
[laughs]
Joe:
and
I
don’t
like
the
things
she
does
around
her
Jasmin:
mhmm
Joe:
so
I
want
to
say
5
years
down
the
line
I
want
her
to
be
living
with
me
even
though
I
know
that’s
gonna
be
hell
for,
however
long
that
period
of
time
may
be.
Jasmin:
mhmm
so
you
wanna
have
custody?
Joe:
yea
but
I
know
it’s
gonna
be
over
her
dead
body.
[laughs]
Jasmin:
that’s
not
an
easy
process
yea
definitely
not
Joe:
I
didn’t
literally
mean
that
[laughs]
C:
is
it’s
it’s,
you
can
say
whatever
you
want
trust
me
Jasmin:
yea
C:
we’re
[uh]
it’s
not
going
anywhere,
she’s
not
gonna
find
out
I
promise
Everyone:
[laughs]
Jasmin:
we
don’t
know
who
she
is
Everyone:
[laughs]
C:
anything
else
you
wanna
add
to
that?
We
are
almost
done
with
all
the
questions
here
and
you’ve
answered
a
lot
of
them
already
Joe:
um
I
mean
education
on
the
street,
I
mean
it,
no
matter
watcha
do
in
life
it
all
takes
a
certain
level
of
education
to
get
it
done,
as
small
as
fixing
your
peanut
butter
and
jelly
sandwhich
when
you
wanna
make
it

9. C:
yea
Joe:
or
just
to
be
mechanically
able
to
do
something,
to
just
know
how
to
raise
your
arm,
you
have
to
know
the
knowledge
to
raise
your
arm
Jasmin:
mhmm
C:
so
it’s
all
Joe:
so
C:
so
it’s
all
education
Jasmin:
I
have
a
question
what
do
you
miss
the
most
about
being
in
school
and
stuff
because
I
know
you
really
wanna
get
back
in
Joe:
I
do!
Jasmin:
what,
what
is
it
that
you
miss
the
most?
That
kinda
drives
you
to?
Joe:
I
guess
it
would
be,
like
the
feeling
of
knowing
that
no
matter
how
hard
it
is
or
how
long
you
have
to
do
it,
that
in
the
end
you’ll
be
something
like
C:
[mumbles]
Joe:
you’ll
be
something
important!
That
people
are
grateful
that
you’re
there
C:
okay,
I
get
it
Joe:
[sigh]
I
don’t
know
else
to
explain
it,
it’s
just
Jasmin:
what
do
you
mean
by,
grateful
that
you’re
there,
like
what
do
you
mean
by
that?
Joe:
like
[…]
what’s,
what’s
that
guys
name,
Donald
trump!
Jasmin
&
C:
[laugh]
Joe:
like
[laughs]
ya
know
ther,
I’m
pretty
sure
there’s
a
lot
of
happy
people
that
live
up
under
Donald
trump’s
money
Everyone:
[laughs]
Joe:
I
mean
[…]
Jasmin:
so
you
wanna
be
like
the
provider?
Is
that?
Joe:
[um]
C:
you
wanna
be-­‐
Joe:
I’m
just
a
grateful
person,
like
I
really
work
for
my
money,
I
feel
like
it’s
some,
if,
like
I
said
I’m
homeless
but
if
I
see
somebody
that’s
homeless
and
worst
condition
than
I
am,
he
asks
for
me…
I
it
ain’t
gonna
matter
C:
okay
Joe:
he
asks
me
for
a
dollar,
I
might
give
him
5.
[giggles]
Jasmin
&
C:
yea
Joe:
if
I
have
it,
[mumbles]
I’m
a
generous
person
like
that
Jasmin:
when
you
meet
other
homeless
people
what
do
you
guys
talk
about
and
stuff
do
you
guys
talk
about
like
um
your
education
or
pursuing
it
or
like
the
future?
Joe:
I’m
just
gonna
let
you
know
now
Jasmin:
yea
be
honest
Joe:
it’s
like
a
big
ole
man
cave
Everyone:
[laughs]
Joe:
that’s
all
it
is,
it’s
like
people
go
there
to,
people
go
to
shelters
not
really
because
they
need
to
but
it
does
tie
into
a
reason,
it’s
like
a
beneficial
factor.
But
people
go
to
homeless
shelters
cause
they
know
they
can
unwind
there
and
like
unless
you’re
really
bothered
by
the
situation
like
which
sometimes
like,
if
youre
just
getting
into
homelessness
then
youll
probably
sitting
there
bothering
you
and
you
sitting
here,

10. around
two
months
at
a
time,
it
starts
to
just
dim
it
down,
okay
you’re
homeless
now
you
have
to
do
something
about
it.
C:
yea
Joe:
so
like
C:
so
ya’ll
really
just
try
to
relax
and
talk
to
each
other
Joe:
yea
we
try
to
like
just,
when
we’re
all
together
we’re
not
even
homeless,
we’re
just
a
group
of
guys
C:
hanging
out?
Joe:
hanging
out
C:okay,
so
ya’ll
are
tyring
not
to
think
about
the
real
situation?
Joe:
[eh]
in
other
words
yea
[laughs]
Jasmin:
it’s
your
escape
Joe:
yea
C:
so
[uh]
what
advice
would
you
give
to
somebody
who
is
in
high
school
[uh]
about
education
and
what
they
should
do
to
stay
out
of
a
bad
situation?
Joe:
well
me
being
a
parent
[laughs]
C:
yea
Joe:
listen
to
your
parents
because
9
times
out
of
10
they
know
what
the
hell
they
talking
about.
[laughs]
C:
okay
Jasmin:
yea
C:
well
you
have
anymore
questions?
Jasmin:
[um]
I
feel
like
I
do,
but
I
just
can’t
think
of
it
right
now
[laughs]
you
answered
so
many
questions
like
C:
yea
you
answered
all
of
our
questions
Austin Phillips 2/27/15 1:11 AM
Comment [6]: Laughing
throughout
the
interview
showed
Joe
was
comfortable
during
the
interview,
just
like
Willie.
Dana
was
not.
We
suspect
this
might
be
because
of
gender
differences
and/or
the
level
of
embarrassment
being
homeless
due
to
educational
levels.