Colorado Acadmey
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee
Seattle Girls’ School
Navigating Ouch Moments:
When You Receive, Witness, or Do
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
About Seattle Girls’ School
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
What Are Ouch Moments?
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
Microaggressions
Accumulated Impact
Regular, Frequent, and Pervasive
Based on Stereotype
Often Unintended
What We’re Thinking and Feeling
When Receiving the Ouch Moment
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
Did that really
happen? Do they
realize? I want to
trust, but I’ve had
this happen so
many times before.
I am so stressed,
confused, hurt….
What We End Up Saying
When Receiving the Ouch Moment
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
That was so
offensive!
I can’t believe
you did that!
Be A DEAR….
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
Self Advocacy Through Ouch Moments
 Affirm the person or relationship
 Describe the behavior without judgment
 Explain the emotion/impact and your filters
 Assume positive intent
 Request or suggest different behavior
*** Key Points: timing, I statements, actions not
adjectives, inside feelings not outside feelings***
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
Self Advocacy Through Ouch Moments:
An Example
I really appreciate having you as a friend. I
have so much fun with you, and I can tell you
anything. Earlier today, when I got my math
test back and I got 98%, I heard you say, “Well
of course you got a 98% - you’re Asian!” I was
pretty hurt when I heard that. I work hard in all
my classes to get good grades, but so many
people assume it’s because of my race. It’s
sad that I don’t get to own my hard work and
accomplishments like everyone else. I’m
pretty sure you didn’t mean for me to feel that
way. Can I ask that you please don’t say
things like that anymore, where my good
grades have anything to do with my race?
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
What We’re Thinking and Feeling
When Witnessing Ouch Moments
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
I can’t believe this
is happening.
That’s SO not
right. Should I
say something?
Am I butting in?
Would it help?
I am so upset!
What We End Up Saying
When Witnessing Ouch Moments
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
What Others Hear When We Say Nothing
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
See? They
agree with me!
I am so right
about this.
No one sees or
understands. I
am alone.
They were born
innocent…
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
NCBI Effective
Interventions Model
 Reduce Defensiveness
– Tone
– Body Language
– Respect
 Keep the Conversation Going
– Hear Them Out
– Ask Open-Ended Questions
– Set Aside Your Feeling for the Moment
– Dialogue
 Build the Relationship
 Stop the Behavior
 Win an Ally
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
Say Something to Somebody
 Now or Later (or Say It Now About a Later)
 Target, Agent, Fellow Bystanders, Authority Figures
“In the End, we will remember not the words of
our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
Intervening in Ouch Moments: Examples
 Ask open ended questions
– “He was acting like a sissy?.”
– “How was he acting? And why is that problematic?”
 Find out the experience motivating the comment
– “Why can’t they just speak English around here?”
– “It must be hard not to understand what people are saying around you.”
– “Why are people complaining about the movie night? It’s only $20 a person.”
– “Tell me more about about that.”
 Use exaggerated humor to highlight what’s going on
(use sparingly)
– “That movie was so gay? ”
– “That movie was attracted to other movies? How could you tell?”
 Join the person and do not make yourself superior
– “She got into that school because she’s Black and female.”
– “You know, I hear that a lot. I’ve been trying to figure out why we seem to think when a
Black woman gets admitted to good schools it must be because of ‘diversity’ or
‘affirmative action’ stuff rather than that she earned it.”
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
What Was Said During the Intervention
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Those words or
actions are
hurtful to me.
Please stop.
What We Hear During the Intervention
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You are a
bad, bad
person, and I
hate you!
What We Should Hear
During the Intervention
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You are basically a good
and decent person. As
with all of us, you’ve
made a mistake, and you
may not know how that
mistake is impacting
others. I am going to
give you the gift of
information so that your
intentions and impacts
match up.
It’s a gift…
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
When You’re Told About
Ouch Moments You Created
 Listen with full attention
 Don’t try to defend or respond right away
– Take deep breaths
– Acknowledge your feelings
 Your mistakes don’t define you
– Be worthy of their trust and gift
 Prioritize the Impact over Intent
– Apologize for real
*** Moving through these moments with grace is
called shame resilience. It’s a vital skill***
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
When You’re Told About
Ouch Moments You Created: Examples
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 “I really appreciate your telling me this.”
 “I’m so embarrassed that I did that.”
 “I’m so sorry my words and actions made you feel
that way. No matter what I intended, it hurt you.”
 “I’m pretty overwhelmed right now, and I don’t
want to respond in a way I’d regret. Do you think
you can help me come up with a better way to
handle that situation after I take a few minutes?”
 “I wanted to go back to a moment I don’t think I
handled very well… Can we talk?”
Final Words of Advice:
Recognize Your Triggers
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
Find Your Bucket People
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Practice Makes
Less Freeze-Ups
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If You Messed Up and You Know It,
Don’t Wait for the Intervention –
Just Apologize
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If You’re Really Sorry,
Work to Improve
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Build Authentic Relationships
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Inclusive Communities
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Presenter Information
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee
6th Faculty and
Professional Outreach
Seattle Girls’ School
2706 S Jackson Street
Seattle WA 98144
(206) 805-6562
rlee@seattlegirlsschool.org
http://tiny.cc/rosettalee
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Final Questions or Comments?
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Resources
• Anti-Defamation League
• Brené Brown
• Cross Cultural Connections
(www.CulturesConnecting.com)
• National Coalition Building Institute
• The People’s Institute
• Stirfry Seminars
• Teaching Tolerance
• The Thiagi Group
Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)

Colorado Academy Navigating Ouch Moments

  • 1.
    Colorado Acadmey Rosetta EunRyong Lee Seattle Girls’ School Navigating Ouch Moments: When You Receive, Witness, or Do Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 2.
    About Seattle Girls’School Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 3.
    What Are OuchMoments? Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee) Microaggressions Accumulated Impact Regular, Frequent, and Pervasive Based on Stereotype Often Unintended
  • 4.
    What We’re Thinkingand Feeling When Receiving the Ouch Moment Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee) Did that really happen? Do they realize? I want to trust, but I’ve had this happen so many times before. I am so stressed, confused, hurt….
  • 5.
    What We EndUp Saying When Receiving the Ouch Moment Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee) That was so offensive! I can’t believe you did that!
  • 6.
    Be A DEAR…. RosettaEun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 7.
    Self Advocacy ThroughOuch Moments  Affirm the person or relationship  Describe the behavior without judgment  Explain the emotion/impact and your filters  Assume positive intent  Request or suggest different behavior *** Key Points: timing, I statements, actions not adjectives, inside feelings not outside feelings*** Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 8.
    Self Advocacy ThroughOuch Moments: An Example I really appreciate having you as a friend. I have so much fun with you, and I can tell you anything. Earlier today, when I got my math test back and I got 98%, I heard you say, “Well of course you got a 98% - you’re Asian!” I was pretty hurt when I heard that. I work hard in all my classes to get good grades, but so many people assume it’s because of my race. It’s sad that I don’t get to own my hard work and accomplishments like everyone else. I’m pretty sure you didn’t mean for me to feel that way. Can I ask that you please don’t say things like that anymore, where my good grades have anything to do with my race? Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 9.
    What We’re Thinkingand Feeling When Witnessing Ouch Moments Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee) I can’t believe this is happening. That’s SO not right. Should I say something? Am I butting in? Would it help? I am so upset!
  • 10.
    What We EndUp Saying When Witnessing Ouch Moments Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 11.
    What Others HearWhen We Say Nothing Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee) See? They agree with me! I am so right about this. No one sees or understands. I am alone.
  • 12.
    They were born innocent… RosettaEun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 13.
    NCBI Effective Interventions Model Reduce Defensiveness – Tone – Body Language – Respect  Keep the Conversation Going – Hear Them Out – Ask Open-Ended Questions – Set Aside Your Feeling for the Moment – Dialogue  Build the Relationship  Stop the Behavior  Win an Ally Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 14.
    Say Something toSomebody  Now or Later (or Say It Now About a Later)  Target, Agent, Fellow Bystanders, Authority Figures “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.” Martin Luther King, Jr. Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 15.
    Intervening in OuchMoments: Examples  Ask open ended questions – “He was acting like a sissy?.” – “How was he acting? And why is that problematic?”  Find out the experience motivating the comment – “Why can’t they just speak English around here?” – “It must be hard not to understand what people are saying around you.” – “Why are people complaining about the movie night? It’s only $20 a person.” – “Tell me more about about that.”  Use exaggerated humor to highlight what’s going on (use sparingly) – “That movie was so gay? ” – “That movie was attracted to other movies? How could you tell?”  Join the person and do not make yourself superior – “She got into that school because she’s Black and female.” – “You know, I hear that a lot. I’ve been trying to figure out why we seem to think when a Black woman gets admitted to good schools it must be because of ‘diversity’ or ‘affirmative action’ stuff rather than that she earned it.” Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 16.
    What Was SaidDuring the Intervention Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee) Those words or actions are hurtful to me. Please stop.
  • 17.
    What We HearDuring the Intervention Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee) You are a bad, bad person, and I hate you!
  • 18.
    What We ShouldHear During the Intervention Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee) You are basically a good and decent person. As with all of us, you’ve made a mistake, and you may not know how that mistake is impacting others. I am going to give you the gift of information so that your intentions and impacts match up.
  • 19.
    It’s a gift… RosettaEun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 20.
    When You’re ToldAbout Ouch Moments You Created  Listen with full attention  Don’t try to defend or respond right away – Take deep breaths – Acknowledge your feelings  Your mistakes don’t define you – Be worthy of their trust and gift  Prioritize the Impact over Intent – Apologize for real *** Moving through these moments with grace is called shame resilience. It’s a vital skill*** Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 21.
    When You’re ToldAbout Ouch Moments You Created: Examples Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)  “I really appreciate your telling me this.”  “I’m so embarrassed that I did that.”  “I’m so sorry my words and actions made you feel that way. No matter what I intended, it hurt you.”  “I’m pretty overwhelmed right now, and I don’t want to respond in a way I’d regret. Do you think you can help me come up with a better way to handle that situation after I take a few minutes?”  “I wanted to go back to a moment I don’t think I handled very well… Can we talk?”
  • 22.
    Final Words ofAdvice: Recognize Your Triggers Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 23.
    Find Your BucketPeople Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 24.
    Practice Makes Less Freeze-Ups RosettaEun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 25.
    If You MessedUp and You Know It, Don’t Wait for the Intervention – Just Apologize Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 26.
    If You’re ReallySorry, Work to Improve Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 27.
    Build Authentic Relationships RosettaEun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 28.
    Inclusive Communities Rosetta EunRyong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 29.
    Presenter Information Rosetta EunRyong Lee 6th Faculty and Professional Outreach Seattle Girls’ School 2706 S Jackson Street Seattle WA 98144 (206) 805-6562 rlee@seattlegirlsschool.org http://tiny.cc/rosettalee Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 30.
    Final Questions orComments? Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)
  • 31.
    Resources • Anti-Defamation League •Brené Brown • Cross Cultural Connections (www.CulturesConnecting.com) • National Coalition Building Institute • The People’s Institute • Stirfry Seminars • Teaching Tolerance • The Thiagi Group Rosetta Eun Ryong Lee (http://tiny.cc/rosettalee)