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The clinical trials we want!
● How to find, select and shape trials that are actually good for your patients.
● Beware fake news- false beliefs others want you to fall for and essential information they omit.
Bettina Ryll MPNE
Overview of the session
■ Why clinical trial matters
■ How to find clinical trials
■ How to select clinical trials
■ How to shape clinical trials
03/07/2019 2
Expectation management wrt clinical trials
Patient advocates are traditionally expected to
■ fundraise for clinical research
■ advertise for clinical trials
■ recruit for clinical trials
■ not to challenge the system
■ focus on traditional topics
■ be grateful
A patient perspective
■ How to use clinical trials to improve your chances to survive
■ How to make sure that patients only have good trials to choose
from
Patients are an own stakeholder group with
overlapping and non-overlapping interests
with any other stakeholder group.
Science matters
■ There will always be patients with advanced cancer.
■ Medical progress depends on scientific progress.
but
■ Not all Science is good.
■ And not every human price is justifiable.
Just because it’s called ’Science’
doesn’t mean it’s good let alone ethical.
https://www.history.com/news/the-infamous-40-year-tuskegee-study
Know your rights- the Helsinki Declaration
Patient interest FIRST.
Free to join, free to leave.
https://www.wma.net/policies-post/wma-declaration-of-helsinki-
ethical-principles-for-medical-research-involving-human-subjects/
Know your traditions- why you should care
about a guy who lost his head.
Individual versus utalitarian traditions- ‘is it ok to
sacrifice the individual for the ‘greater good’ of
society?’
= Helsinki declaration: clearly individualistic perspective.
People will argue what is convenient for them.
Know where you stand.
A solution has to take BOTH the individual as well
as the societal perspective into account.
https://www.slideshare.net/alannamlawson/jeremy-bentham-13121787
How to find clinical trials- important to know
■ Clinical trials need to be registered - find that database
■ Avoid biased databases- e.g. maintained by single sponsors
■ Beware financial motivations for matching patients to trials
■ Be aware of filters and biased search algorithms- e.g. geographical,
indications (‘Melanoma’ vs ‘solid tumour’)
US- Clinicaltrials.gov
Europe- EUCTR
WHO
’The difference between medicine
and poison is the dose’
BUT
beware incomplete,
inconsistent or fraudulent
information
How to select clinical trials- important to know
■ Understand your motivation
■ Understand the underlying Science
How to select clinical trials- what’s the motivation?
■ Is it a clinical trial you are looking for?
■ Why are you looking for a clinical trial?
■ Standard of care insufficient
■ All lines of therapy exhausted
■ Drugs not reimbursed
■ ?
● Treatment option
● Access
Why patients join clinical trials
different rules for
different people
Know your treatment and scientific landscape
Follow Scientific news
■ Pubmed- biomedical publications
■ Google scholar
■ Subscription services: https://ecancer.org/, ASCO, ESMO, NEJM, Lancet
■ Google alerts, Google scholar alerts
■ Medical journals directly- always something one misses
■ Attend scientific meetings
Know your treatment and scientific landscape
• Patients never responding or
stopping to respond to therapy
• brain mets
• prevent progression
• Ipi, Pembro, Nivo, T-Vec
• Dab, Tram, Vem, Cobi, Enco,
Bini
• ’it’s complicated’
• beginning understanding of risk for
progression
• neo-adjuvant treatment
How to choose a clinical trial
Clinical trial elements to watch out for
■ what do you know about the drug?
■ randomisation
■ placebo
■ blinding
■ cross-over
Uneven randomisation, blinding, early interim analyses, cross-over, in
particular when uni-directional: expect one arm to perform considerably
better than the other.
CTC- How to choose when you are the patient
■ Choose a design where you get the drug you want: EAP? Phase 2 after a good
Phase 1?
■ Avoid placebo/ nocibo because you cannot recover time lost in useless therapies
■ If that’s not possible, find at least a trial with cross-over
Shaping clinical trial design
Why care about clinical trial design?
■ Earliest access to new medicines
■ New doesn’t mean better- mind your risk mitigation strategy
■ Trials are designed to answer population-based questions. We are
individuals.
■ Rules and methods evolve constantly- they are NOT set in stone.
Understand the clinical trial ecosystem- everyone has
vested interests
■ Pharmaceutical Industry- financial
■ Regulators – SAFETY, efficacy
■ HTA and payors- financial, social justice
■ Clinicians and hospitals- financial, publications, careers
■ NYDs (not-yet-diagnoseds)- financial, sense of security
’There is no group of angels’
Anna Wagstaff, WECAN 2019
My personal baseline assumptions- (only) slightly exaggerated.
■ Clinicians don’t understand statistics, unconventional data sources nor HTA.
■ Statisticians don’t understand oncology.
■ Pharma is risk-averse, it’s always the regulator’s fault, but you can count on financial
motives.
■ HTAs don’t understand Molecular Biology.
■ Payers are the real shadow emminence.
■ Everyone has vested interests.
■ Everyone blames the person that is NOT in the room.
■ There are outliers in every place.
■ No one has money. Academics have less money than Pharma.
■ No one has time. Pharma has less time than Academics.
■ People design trials for OTHERS, not for themselves.
■ Patients are upsetting the current system.
■ Patients aren’t here to die on clinical trials.
■ Clinical trials that don’t recruit get amended.
Do we need more clinical trials?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29228097 2018
So unless you already got a side-effect free cure for
your cancer, research always answers what your
patients need and want and your patients are queuing
to join clinical trials...
Quality not Quantity.
We need BETTER trials.
The strategy piece
Return on Engagement
Some substance
Why I care
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1203421
Why I care
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1203421
Scientific reasoning
■ BRAFmut Melanoma depends on activated BRAF pathway
■ BRAF works better than DTIC
■ MEK works better than DTIC
■ BRAF works better than MEK
■ BRAF+ MEK works best
■ We got 3 BRAF+ MEK combinations.
■ DTIC old standard of care desperation, dirt- cheap.
■ Which trial design would you want to see?
■ Which trial design do you think you will get?
What we got
■ Vem vs DTIC 2011
■ Dab vs DTIC 2012
■ Tram vs DTIC 2012
■ Vem + Cobi vs Vem + placebo 2014
■ Dab + Tram vs Vem 2015
■ Enco vs Enco+ Bini vs Vem 2018
■ BRAF inhibitors
■ MEK inhibitiors
why do you think
they used a
placebo?
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/health/research/19trial.html
surrogate
end points
mechanism
next trial
design?
Summary
■ Clinical trials offer treatment options for patients who have no other option
left
■ If we want a better future for our patients, we need research
■ Not all research is good- the normal distribution also applies here
■ Finding, selecting and shaping research requires expertise
■ Research takes time – favour long-term engagement and interaction with
research groups and- no short-cut to knowledge.
■ Know where to target your efforts
■ Know your non-negotiables
Take home
■ Trials that don’t recruit get amended.
■ Don’t support research you haven’t read or that you
don’t understand.
Thank you for listening
■ bettina.ryll@mpneurope.org

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0405 Bettina Rryll - The clinical trials we want!

  • 1. The clinical trials we want! ● How to find, select and shape trials that are actually good for your patients. ● Beware fake news- false beliefs others want you to fall for and essential information they omit. Bettina Ryll MPNE
  • 2. Overview of the session ■ Why clinical trial matters ■ How to find clinical trials ■ How to select clinical trials ■ How to shape clinical trials 03/07/2019 2
  • 3. Expectation management wrt clinical trials Patient advocates are traditionally expected to ■ fundraise for clinical research ■ advertise for clinical trials ■ recruit for clinical trials ■ not to challenge the system ■ focus on traditional topics ■ be grateful
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  • 6. A patient perspective ■ How to use clinical trials to improve your chances to survive ■ How to make sure that patients only have good trials to choose from
  • 7. Patients are an own stakeholder group with overlapping and non-overlapping interests with any other stakeholder group.
  • 8. Science matters ■ There will always be patients with advanced cancer. ■ Medical progress depends on scientific progress. but ■ Not all Science is good. ■ And not every human price is justifiable.
  • 9. Just because it’s called ’Science’ doesn’t mean it’s good let alone ethical. https://www.history.com/news/the-infamous-40-year-tuskegee-study
  • 10. Know your rights- the Helsinki Declaration Patient interest FIRST. Free to join, free to leave. https://www.wma.net/policies-post/wma-declaration-of-helsinki- ethical-principles-for-medical-research-involving-human-subjects/
  • 11. Know your traditions- why you should care about a guy who lost his head. Individual versus utalitarian traditions- ‘is it ok to sacrifice the individual for the ‘greater good’ of society?’ = Helsinki declaration: clearly individualistic perspective. People will argue what is convenient for them. Know where you stand. A solution has to take BOTH the individual as well as the societal perspective into account. https://www.slideshare.net/alannamlawson/jeremy-bentham-13121787
  • 12. How to find clinical trials- important to know ■ Clinical trials need to be registered - find that database ■ Avoid biased databases- e.g. maintained by single sponsors ■ Beware financial motivations for matching patients to trials ■ Be aware of filters and biased search algorithms- e.g. geographical, indications (‘Melanoma’ vs ‘solid tumour’)
  • 15. WHO
  • 16. ’The difference between medicine and poison is the dose’ BUT beware incomplete, inconsistent or fraudulent information
  • 17. How to select clinical trials- important to know ■ Understand your motivation ■ Understand the underlying Science
  • 18. How to select clinical trials- what’s the motivation? ■ Is it a clinical trial you are looking for? ■ Why are you looking for a clinical trial? ■ Standard of care insufficient ■ All lines of therapy exhausted ■ Drugs not reimbursed ■ ? ● Treatment option ● Access
  • 19. Why patients join clinical trials different rules for different people
  • 20. Know your treatment and scientific landscape
  • 21. Follow Scientific news ■ Pubmed- biomedical publications ■ Google scholar ■ Subscription services: https://ecancer.org/, ASCO, ESMO, NEJM, Lancet ■ Google alerts, Google scholar alerts ■ Medical journals directly- always something one misses ■ Attend scientific meetings
  • 22. Know your treatment and scientific landscape • Patients never responding or stopping to respond to therapy • brain mets • prevent progression • Ipi, Pembro, Nivo, T-Vec • Dab, Tram, Vem, Cobi, Enco, Bini • ’it’s complicated’ • beginning understanding of risk for progression • neo-adjuvant treatment
  • 23. How to choose a clinical trial
  • 24. Clinical trial elements to watch out for ■ what do you know about the drug? ■ randomisation ■ placebo ■ blinding ■ cross-over Uneven randomisation, blinding, early interim analyses, cross-over, in particular when uni-directional: expect one arm to perform considerably better than the other.
  • 25. CTC- How to choose when you are the patient ■ Choose a design where you get the drug you want: EAP? Phase 2 after a good Phase 1? ■ Avoid placebo/ nocibo because you cannot recover time lost in useless therapies ■ If that’s not possible, find at least a trial with cross-over
  • 27. Why care about clinical trial design? ■ Earliest access to new medicines ■ New doesn’t mean better- mind your risk mitigation strategy ■ Trials are designed to answer population-based questions. We are individuals. ■ Rules and methods evolve constantly- they are NOT set in stone.
  • 28. Understand the clinical trial ecosystem- everyone has vested interests ■ Pharmaceutical Industry- financial ■ Regulators – SAFETY, efficacy ■ HTA and payors- financial, social justice ■ Clinicians and hospitals- financial, publications, careers ■ NYDs (not-yet-diagnoseds)- financial, sense of security ’There is no group of angels’ Anna Wagstaff, WECAN 2019
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  • 30. My personal baseline assumptions- (only) slightly exaggerated. ■ Clinicians don’t understand statistics, unconventional data sources nor HTA. ■ Statisticians don’t understand oncology. ■ Pharma is risk-averse, it’s always the regulator’s fault, but you can count on financial motives. ■ HTAs don’t understand Molecular Biology. ■ Payers are the real shadow emminence. ■ Everyone has vested interests. ■ Everyone blames the person that is NOT in the room. ■ There are outliers in every place. ■ No one has money. Academics have less money than Pharma. ■ No one has time. Pharma has less time than Academics. ■ People design trials for OTHERS, not for themselves. ■ Patients are upsetting the current system. ■ Patients aren’t here to die on clinical trials. ■ Clinical trials that don’t recruit get amended.
  • 31. Do we need more clinical trials?
  • 33. So unless you already got a side-effect free cure for your cancer, research always answers what your patients need and want and your patients are queuing to join clinical trials...
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  • 35. Quality not Quantity. We need BETTER trials.
  • 36. The strategy piece Return on Engagement
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  • 42. Scientific reasoning ■ BRAFmut Melanoma depends on activated BRAF pathway ■ BRAF works better than DTIC ■ MEK works better than DTIC ■ BRAF works better than MEK ■ BRAF+ MEK works best ■ We got 3 BRAF+ MEK combinations. ■ DTIC old standard of care desperation, dirt- cheap. ■ Which trial design would you want to see? ■ Which trial design do you think you will get?
  • 43. What we got ■ Vem vs DTIC 2011 ■ Dab vs DTIC 2012 ■ Tram vs DTIC 2012 ■ Vem + Cobi vs Vem + placebo 2014 ■ Dab + Tram vs Vem 2015 ■ Enco vs Enco+ Bini vs Vem 2018 ■ BRAF inhibitors ■ MEK inhibitiors why do you think they used a placebo?
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  • 49. Summary ■ Clinical trials offer treatment options for patients who have no other option left ■ If we want a better future for our patients, we need research ■ Not all research is good- the normal distribution also applies here ■ Finding, selecting and shaping research requires expertise ■ Research takes time – favour long-term engagement and interaction with research groups and- no short-cut to knowledge. ■ Know where to target your efforts ■ Know your non-negotiables
  • 50. Take home ■ Trials that don’t recruit get amended. ■ Don’t support research you haven’t read or that you don’t understand.
  • 51. Thank you for listening ■ bettina.ryll@mpneurope.org