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How do we measure VALUE? Different
models and challenges in pricing
Zack Pemberton-Whiteley
Acute Leukemia Advocates Network – Chair
Leukaemia Care (UK) – Patient Advocacy Director
zackpw@leukaemiacare.org.uk or @ZPWLC
What is a fair price for a medicine?
 “A fair price is one that is affordable for
health systems and patients and that at
the same time provides sufficient market
incentive for industry to invest in
innovation and the production of
medicines.”
 NB – pharma DO need rewarding for
providing innovation
12/07/2019 2
Affordable
Market
Incentive
Different ways to look at pricing
12/07/2019 3
Inputs (costs) Value Power Prize / Incentive
“Four Reasons Drugs Are Expensive, Of Which Two Are False”, JackScannell*
*Based on Article in Forbes, Oct 13, 2015:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2015/10/13/four-
reasons-drugs-are-expensive-of-which-two-are- false/#384a3ef44c3b
Cost-based pricing: How much do pharma spend on R&D?
Inputs (Costs)
 SW view: false to determine the price of a
medicine, but appropriate to explain overall
company profitability.
 Efficiency: too much health spend is off-target
 ZPW View:
• Costs are not an appropriate way to
determine the price of a medicine, but
are relevant across the industry
• Because cost-based pricing rewards
innovation but also ‘me-too’ drugs
• It is fair to charge a return for investment
in R&D
• Too much pharma spend is inefficient
and ‘off-target’
12/07/2019 4
Value-Based Pricing?
 “Price = amount of perceived value the consumer gets”
 Scannel argues value-based pricing evolved as a way of
charging customers more (e.g. luxury goods)
 SW view: “Allows for objective justification of a price –
despite evidentiary uncertainty.”
 Outcome?
• What outcomes matter? Who determines value?
Patient? Public? Payer?
• Heath-related? Wider societal benefits?
• Certainty of data?
12/07/2019 5
Ray et al (2016)
Value =
Cost
Outcome
Power Pricing – Is there competition?
 JS describes this as the “exercise of intellectual property rights,
to create scarcity and to find the maximum price that the market
will bear”
 Example: Martin Shkreli who raised the price of HIV drug by a
factor of 56 from $13.50 to $750 per pill
 Example: alemtuzumab from leukaemia to multiple sclerosis and
“list price rise of over one thousand – yes, one thousand –
percent” (Scannel, Forbes)
 SW view: “Fierce competition amongst patented drugs drives
pricing behavior too”
 During the patent period many drugs operate a monopoly within
an indication (at least for a time period). This ceases when the
patent expires and generics enter the market
12/07/2019 6
Incentive Pricing – Reward for Gamble - Rare Conditions
NICE Highly Specialised Technologies
Incremental QALYs
gained (per
patient, using
lifetime horizon)
Weight vs
100k/QALY
≤ 10 1
11 - 29 1 - 3
≥ 30 3
12/07/2019 7
NICE QALY Thresholds
NICE Process QALY Threshold
Standard 20,000 – 30,000
End of Life 50,000
HST 100,000 – 300,000
 SW view: appropriate, particularly in case of market
failure (e.g. orphans, neglected diseases)
 Should we assign additional value to medicines for rare
conditions?
 EMA Orphan Status:
• disease that is life-threatening or chronically debilitating
• the prevalence of the condition in the EU must not be more than
5 in 10,000 or it must be unlikely that marketing of the medicine
would generate sufficient returns to justify the investment
needed for its development
• medicine must be of significant benefit to those affected by the
condition.
 Orphan = 10 years of market exclusivity from similar
medicines with similar indications
 HTA: different willingness to pay thresholds? E.G. HST
Pharmaceuticals is one of the most profitable sectors
 Scannel: “The drug industry has higher profit margins and
higher R&D intensity than any other industry.”
Profits:
 EU: Software & Computer Services (17.3%) and
Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology (16.7%).
 US: Software & Computer Services (22.0%) and
Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology (21.9%).
 Japan: Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology (9.9%), the
highest profitability sector
R&D
 Pharmaceutical sector ranks top in terms of R&D at
nearly 100 billion euro
 EU Industrial R&D Investment Scoreboard - 2014
http://iri.jrc.ec.europa.eu/scoreboard14.html
12/07/2019 8
Difference between affordability and cost-effectiveness
 Cost-effectiveness: value for money (cost v
benefit)
• QALY = Quality-adjusted life year
 Affordability: budget impact (total cost)
• Voluntary Scheme for Branded Medicines Pricing and
Access (VPAS)
• ‘Budget Impact’ Test - £20 million threshold
Example: Zolgensma (spinal muscular atrophy)
 Potentially curative treatment, offers significant QALY
gains (many years of potential benefit)
 “world’s most expensive therapy” - $2.1 million
 It may be cost-effective, but is it affordable?
 How does the system afford to pay for 275+ cell and
gene therapies in development?
12/07/2019 9
Forbes
Continuous Therapies v Fixed Treatment Duration
 Cost over what time period? How long does
the data suggest the fixed-treatment duration
is effective?
Example: Zolgensma (costs over 5 years)
 Zolgensma - Single infusion - $2.15 million
 Spinraza - Continuous treatment - $2.25
million over 5 years
 Turning cancer into a chronic condition (e.g.
chronic myeloid leukaemia) – is this an
affordability issue?
 Treatments that are delivered with a fixed
treatment duration are more likely to be
affordable long-term
12/07/2019 10
Treatment A
Treatment B
Price
TimeYear
1
Year
2
Total CostYear
3
Costs Considered over 5 year period
Year
4
Year
5
Uncertainty
 Uncertainty in the clinical data (e.g. the benefit of a new
treatment or the comparator treatment) makes it hard to
determine the value
 Rapid access (for patients) v Long-term data certainty
 Particular problem where the drug is intended for a small
patient population (e.g. rare disease or specific mutation)
12/07/2019 11
NICE highlighted “a
lack of evidence” on
the effect of the drug
on overall survival
There was a great deal
of uncertainty in the
available evidence of
clinical effectiveness
compared to existing
treatments
 Is there a need for new systems to enable
‘conditional’ or temporary access whilst
further evidence is gathered to assess value?
Potentially Curative Treatments?
 Potential for long-term benefit, but short-term data
 Huge amounts of uncertainty. How to share the risk?
1. Pay for Performance
 Outcomes based payments linked to results in clinical practice
 (e.g. using the Systemic Anti-Cancer Therapy database in NHS England)
2. Coverage with evidence generation
 Temporary access granted to enable evidence generation, before a full-assessment takes place at a later date
 (e.g. Cancer Drugs Fund)
3. Annuity or amortisation
 Spread payment over time – like a mortgage - reduce upfront cost
 e.g. Zolgensma
4. Lump-sum remuneration
 Provide treatment to the whole patient population for a fixed cost
 e.g. VPAS (whole drugs budget) or Orkambi (Vertex, Cystic Fibrosis)
 In reality, whilst most of these address uncertainty in cost-effectiveness, they do little for affordability
(unless the price is reduced as a result)
12/07/2019 12
Multi-Indication Pricing
 Medicines may be effective in multiple
indications, in each indication they may offer
a different value
 If prices are intended to reflect the value a
medicine brings, prices should be different
across different indications to reflect their
different values
 Many healthcare systems do not allow MIP
 Current systems are not equipped to handle
this – e.g. pharmacy prescriptions?
 May be unfair for rarer conditions
Example:
 Indication A: Larger population of patients
 Indication B: Smaller population, assessed
subsequently, no opportunity to adjust price
12/07/2019 13
Indication A Indication B
QALY
Threshold
Discounted Not
Approved
Price
Combination Pricing – “not cost effective at zero price”
 Agree with SW, this is a serious issue
 Shows the need for Multi-Indication
Pricing
Devil’s Advocate:
 Does addition of combination therapy
(concurrently) add any benefit to using
treatments consecutively?
 Balance between rapid access and data
certainty: OS data is immature
 Should we wait until OS data is mature?
12/07/2019 14
Cost
WTP
A
A&B Scenario 2: (PFS/OS) ↑
ICERA&B > WTP
A&B Scenario 1: (PFS/OS) same
Image from Stefan’s presentation (EXAMPLE 2: THE COMBINATION EXTENDS TIME TO
PROGRESSION, BUT WE ASSUME SURVIVAL DATA IS NOT (YET) MATURE
QALY
End of Life?
12/07/2019 15
NICE QALY Thresholds
NICE Process QALY Threshold
Standard 20,000 – 30,000
End of Life 50,000
 Should we assign additional value to End of
Life treatments?
 In a system with finite health budgets, will
patients with other health conditions suffer
because we have paid more for end of life
treatments?
 Difference between relative benefits and
absolute benefits?
• 3 month benefit / 6 month expected
survival = 50%
• 3 month benefit / 2 year expected survival
= 12.5%
NICE has a higher threshold of
up to £50,000 for End of Life
treatments, with criteria:
Short life expectancy – normally
less than 24 months
Extension to life – normally at
least a further three months
Summary
12/07/2019 16
Fair pricing
requires a
balance
between
affordability and
rewarding
innovation
Different ways to
look at pricing,
of which value-
based pricing is
probably the
most appropriate
The
pharmaceutical
sector is highly
profitable, but
also invests
highly in R&D
Current pricing
and
reimbursement
systems facing
serious issues
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0403 2 Zack PembertonW - Approaches to value and pricing

  • 1. How do we measure VALUE? Different models and challenges in pricing Zack Pemberton-Whiteley Acute Leukemia Advocates Network – Chair Leukaemia Care (UK) – Patient Advocacy Director zackpw@leukaemiacare.org.uk or @ZPWLC
  • 2. What is a fair price for a medicine?  “A fair price is one that is affordable for health systems and patients and that at the same time provides sufficient market incentive for industry to invest in innovation and the production of medicines.”  NB – pharma DO need rewarding for providing innovation 12/07/2019 2 Affordable Market Incentive
  • 3. Different ways to look at pricing 12/07/2019 3 Inputs (costs) Value Power Prize / Incentive “Four Reasons Drugs Are Expensive, Of Which Two Are False”, JackScannell* *Based on Article in Forbes, Oct 13, 2015: https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2015/10/13/four- reasons-drugs-are-expensive-of-which-two-are- false/#384a3ef44c3b
  • 4. Cost-based pricing: How much do pharma spend on R&D? Inputs (Costs)  SW view: false to determine the price of a medicine, but appropriate to explain overall company profitability.  Efficiency: too much health spend is off-target  ZPW View: • Costs are not an appropriate way to determine the price of a medicine, but are relevant across the industry • Because cost-based pricing rewards innovation but also ‘me-too’ drugs • It is fair to charge a return for investment in R&D • Too much pharma spend is inefficient and ‘off-target’ 12/07/2019 4
  • 5. Value-Based Pricing?  “Price = amount of perceived value the consumer gets”  Scannel argues value-based pricing evolved as a way of charging customers more (e.g. luxury goods)  SW view: “Allows for objective justification of a price – despite evidentiary uncertainty.”  Outcome? • What outcomes matter? Who determines value? Patient? Public? Payer? • Heath-related? Wider societal benefits? • Certainty of data? 12/07/2019 5 Ray et al (2016) Value = Cost Outcome
  • 6. Power Pricing – Is there competition?  JS describes this as the “exercise of intellectual property rights, to create scarcity and to find the maximum price that the market will bear”  Example: Martin Shkreli who raised the price of HIV drug by a factor of 56 from $13.50 to $750 per pill  Example: alemtuzumab from leukaemia to multiple sclerosis and “list price rise of over one thousand – yes, one thousand – percent” (Scannel, Forbes)  SW view: “Fierce competition amongst patented drugs drives pricing behavior too”  During the patent period many drugs operate a monopoly within an indication (at least for a time period). This ceases when the patent expires and generics enter the market 12/07/2019 6
  • 7. Incentive Pricing – Reward for Gamble - Rare Conditions NICE Highly Specialised Technologies Incremental QALYs gained (per patient, using lifetime horizon) Weight vs 100k/QALY ≤ 10 1 11 - 29 1 - 3 ≥ 30 3 12/07/2019 7 NICE QALY Thresholds NICE Process QALY Threshold Standard 20,000 – 30,000 End of Life 50,000 HST 100,000 – 300,000  SW view: appropriate, particularly in case of market failure (e.g. orphans, neglected diseases)  Should we assign additional value to medicines for rare conditions?  EMA Orphan Status: • disease that is life-threatening or chronically debilitating • the prevalence of the condition in the EU must not be more than 5 in 10,000 or it must be unlikely that marketing of the medicine would generate sufficient returns to justify the investment needed for its development • medicine must be of significant benefit to those affected by the condition.  Orphan = 10 years of market exclusivity from similar medicines with similar indications  HTA: different willingness to pay thresholds? E.G. HST
  • 8. Pharmaceuticals is one of the most profitable sectors  Scannel: “The drug industry has higher profit margins and higher R&D intensity than any other industry.” Profits:  EU: Software & Computer Services (17.3%) and Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology (16.7%).  US: Software & Computer Services (22.0%) and Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology (21.9%).  Japan: Pharmaceuticals & Biotechnology (9.9%), the highest profitability sector R&D  Pharmaceutical sector ranks top in terms of R&D at nearly 100 billion euro  EU Industrial R&D Investment Scoreboard - 2014 http://iri.jrc.ec.europa.eu/scoreboard14.html 12/07/2019 8
  • 9. Difference between affordability and cost-effectiveness  Cost-effectiveness: value for money (cost v benefit) • QALY = Quality-adjusted life year  Affordability: budget impact (total cost) • Voluntary Scheme for Branded Medicines Pricing and Access (VPAS) • ‘Budget Impact’ Test - £20 million threshold Example: Zolgensma (spinal muscular atrophy)  Potentially curative treatment, offers significant QALY gains (many years of potential benefit)  “world’s most expensive therapy” - $2.1 million  It may be cost-effective, but is it affordable?  How does the system afford to pay for 275+ cell and gene therapies in development? 12/07/2019 9 Forbes
  • 10. Continuous Therapies v Fixed Treatment Duration  Cost over what time period? How long does the data suggest the fixed-treatment duration is effective? Example: Zolgensma (costs over 5 years)  Zolgensma - Single infusion - $2.15 million  Spinraza - Continuous treatment - $2.25 million over 5 years  Turning cancer into a chronic condition (e.g. chronic myeloid leukaemia) – is this an affordability issue?  Treatments that are delivered with a fixed treatment duration are more likely to be affordable long-term 12/07/2019 10 Treatment A Treatment B Price TimeYear 1 Year 2 Total CostYear 3 Costs Considered over 5 year period Year 4 Year 5
  • 11. Uncertainty  Uncertainty in the clinical data (e.g. the benefit of a new treatment or the comparator treatment) makes it hard to determine the value  Rapid access (for patients) v Long-term data certainty  Particular problem where the drug is intended for a small patient population (e.g. rare disease or specific mutation) 12/07/2019 11 NICE highlighted “a lack of evidence” on the effect of the drug on overall survival There was a great deal of uncertainty in the available evidence of clinical effectiveness compared to existing treatments  Is there a need for new systems to enable ‘conditional’ or temporary access whilst further evidence is gathered to assess value?
  • 12. Potentially Curative Treatments?  Potential for long-term benefit, but short-term data  Huge amounts of uncertainty. How to share the risk? 1. Pay for Performance  Outcomes based payments linked to results in clinical practice  (e.g. using the Systemic Anti-Cancer Therapy database in NHS England) 2. Coverage with evidence generation  Temporary access granted to enable evidence generation, before a full-assessment takes place at a later date  (e.g. Cancer Drugs Fund) 3. Annuity or amortisation  Spread payment over time – like a mortgage - reduce upfront cost  e.g. Zolgensma 4. Lump-sum remuneration  Provide treatment to the whole patient population for a fixed cost  e.g. VPAS (whole drugs budget) or Orkambi (Vertex, Cystic Fibrosis)  In reality, whilst most of these address uncertainty in cost-effectiveness, they do little for affordability (unless the price is reduced as a result) 12/07/2019 12
  • 13. Multi-Indication Pricing  Medicines may be effective in multiple indications, in each indication they may offer a different value  If prices are intended to reflect the value a medicine brings, prices should be different across different indications to reflect their different values  Many healthcare systems do not allow MIP  Current systems are not equipped to handle this – e.g. pharmacy prescriptions?  May be unfair for rarer conditions Example:  Indication A: Larger population of patients  Indication B: Smaller population, assessed subsequently, no opportunity to adjust price 12/07/2019 13 Indication A Indication B QALY Threshold Discounted Not Approved Price
  • 14. Combination Pricing – “not cost effective at zero price”  Agree with SW, this is a serious issue  Shows the need for Multi-Indication Pricing Devil’s Advocate:  Does addition of combination therapy (concurrently) add any benefit to using treatments consecutively?  Balance between rapid access and data certainty: OS data is immature  Should we wait until OS data is mature? 12/07/2019 14 Cost WTP A A&B Scenario 2: (PFS/OS) ↑ ICERA&B > WTP A&B Scenario 1: (PFS/OS) same Image from Stefan’s presentation (EXAMPLE 2: THE COMBINATION EXTENDS TIME TO PROGRESSION, BUT WE ASSUME SURVIVAL DATA IS NOT (YET) MATURE QALY
  • 15. End of Life? 12/07/2019 15 NICE QALY Thresholds NICE Process QALY Threshold Standard 20,000 – 30,000 End of Life 50,000  Should we assign additional value to End of Life treatments?  In a system with finite health budgets, will patients with other health conditions suffer because we have paid more for end of life treatments?  Difference between relative benefits and absolute benefits? • 3 month benefit / 6 month expected survival = 50% • 3 month benefit / 2 year expected survival = 12.5% NICE has a higher threshold of up to £50,000 for End of Life treatments, with criteria: Short life expectancy – normally less than 24 months Extension to life – normally at least a further three months
  • 16. Summary 12/07/2019 16 Fair pricing requires a balance between affordability and rewarding innovation Different ways to look at pricing, of which value- based pricing is probably the most appropriate The pharmaceutical sector is highly profitable, but also invests highly in R&D Current pricing and reimbursement systems facing serious issues