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WHEN TO CHANGE
GBX OIL
VGB, Hamburg, 22nd of Mars 2017, Thomas Stalin
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
Oil Exchange
• Oil should be changed based on Oil Quality Properties
- Instead of exchanging an oil based on yearly intervals
- Dialog with turbine manufacturers, gearbox suppliers and oil
companies
• After five years the oil sample should be sent in for full analyze
- If Quality is acceptable good, the oil should be used for another
1year/6 months.
- When Oil reaches end of life it should be tested every 6 months.
Cost Savings
• SRL and SOH
- 40 + 9 Vestas V90 2/1.8 MW with each 300 liters
- Oil bath temperature +55 degrees Celsius
- HSS bearing temperature 62 to 68 degrees Celsius
- >10 degrees lower operating temperature than 80 degrees =>2X life
- Cost of exchanging oil 5 000 Euro/turbine + production loss
- Cost of extra oil sampling 35 Euro + workmanship
- Total positive cash flow 245 000 Euro, during 20 years of operation
one oil exchange saved
• Offshore even larger savings
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
Test of new and used oil
Confidentiality - High
Figure 5.2: Overall assessment normalized to one by dividing through the sum of the weighing coefficients.
All test data is included and multiplied with the weighing coefficient obtained above
Two of our most used synthetic oils; brown and green, showed stable tribological values
after 5 years. Mineral oil red showed decreased values after 3 years.Note: Lower is better.
Viscosity and aging
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
C
C
H
H
H
H
C
C
Polyalphaolefin
Monomer
Dimer
Trimer
Polyalkylene glycol
Lifetime
Viscosity
Brown
Yellow
Red
Green
Viscosity nearly never shows bad values for synthetic oils after 5 years.
Test Results Used Oil Analysis, FUCHS Spain
Dark blue fresh oil:
No. 12-2494
RENOLIN UNISYN CLP 320
Green used Oil:
No. 12-2365
RENOLIN UNISYN CLP 320
Machine A 3.3
Weight loss very low: GFKT high !!
Excellent wear protection after 5 - 6 years !!
Micro Pitting short test: DGMK FZG (after 5 - 6 years)
GFKT – C 8,3/ 90 (16 h / load stage)
January 2017 - FS, Product Management Industrial Oils, W. Bock, R. Ambrosi; Research & Development Industrial Oils, Dr. J. Braun, T. Schuermann
Weight loss: 14 mg, 10 mg !!
Excellent wear protection after 8 years !!
January 2017 - FS, Product Management Industrial Oils, W. Bock, R. Ambrosi; Research & Development Industrial Oils, Dr. J. Braun, T. Schuermann
Test Results Used Oil Analysis, FUCHS Spain
Life Time
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
Mineral oils, CLP-M: 2 years or 10.000 h
Synth. Ester („Bio“), CLP-E: 2 years or 10.000 h
Polyglycol, CLP-PG: 4 years or 20.000 h
Polyalphaolefins, CLP-PAO: 4 years or 20.000 h
Lifetime at an average oil sump temperature of 80 °C
(according to Flender)
Contaminations
(e.g. water, dirt, abrasion / wear products, acid gases, etc.) have a negative influence on the lifetime.
Lifetime depends on operating conditions
Oil Temperatures
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
• Oil bath temperature +55 degrees
• High speed shaft bearing temperature 62 degrees
• Temperatures well below 70 degrees and 2X lifetime to be assumed
• Differs 5 degrees between turbines.
2X lifetime = 10 degrees lower temperature
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
Arrenius Rate Rule
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
The Arrhenius equation, named for 19th-century Swedish
chemist Svante Arrhenius. In 1903, Arrhenius won a
Nobel Prize when he figured out the relationship between
temperature and most chemical reaction rates. Often
called the Arrhenius Rate Rule, it relates to the fact that
lubricants, once they've exceeded their base activation
temperature, will degrade (oxidize) twice as fast for every
10 degrees C (18 degrees F) increase in temperature
FTIR Analyses and TAN
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
Infra red analyses can show if antioxidants are depleted.
If curve remarkably lower oil is aged.
Total Acid Number <2.0 mgKOH/g
Prediction of remaining lifetime, Additives
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
Trend the decrease of additives.
Limit values is needed. Many times stable values.
Test Results Used Oil Analysis, FUCHS Spain
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
325330,3330326,5331 330329328,4322,7317 312,7316,3
270
320
370
jul-10
ene-11
jul-11
ene-12
jul-12
ene-13
jul-13
ene-14
jul-14
ene-15
jul-15
ene-16
V40
35,035,035,035,234,735,335 36
33,734,3 34,234,4
24,0
34,0
44,0
jul-10
ene-11
jul-11
ene-12
jul-12
ene-13
jul-13
ene-14
jul-14
ene-15
jul-15
ene-16
V100
153151151 153
149 152151
156
147
153 154153
130
150
170
jul-10
ene-11
jul-11
ene-12
jul-12
ene-13
jul-13
ene-14
jul-14
ene-15
jul-15
ene-16
VI
0,750,70,720,770,77 0,80,83 0,76
0,9
0,75 0,780,7
0,4
0,9
1,4
1,9
jul-10
ene-11
jul-11
ene-12
jul-12
ene-13
jul-13
ene-14
jul-14
ene-15
jul-15
ene-16
Acidity number
8 7 8 10 5 12 5
201516 1822
0
50
100
jul-10
ene-11
jul-11
ene-12
jul-12
ene-13
jul-13
ene-14
jul-14
ene-15
jul-15
ene-16
Iron
7 - 8 years lifetime with good experience !!
Interpretation of results, Limit values
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
Demand to get limit values at time of purchase
Note: It is not this oil that is used in the samples presented
Tar in offline filter
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
Sludge formation
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
Tar deposits, ICP Analyses
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
High contents of metal Fe, Cu
and Additives P and Zn
Tar on brass surfaces
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
Tar and clogged filters
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
Brass corrosion
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
Fast increasing Cu values
Cracking oil on heaters, low oil level
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
Check oil level to avoid cracking. Look at sight glasses.
Low oil level destroys the oil and clogs filters.
General observatíon
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
A) High cupper values 20 to 80 ppm rapidly increasing over
one year.
B) Tar products as precipitated sludge found in offline filter
and on gearbox walls
C) Black large tar particles found in the inline filter and at
other places in the gearbox
D) Black tar on brass casings in the bearings
E) Corrosion of the brass cages
F) Black oil
Found on aged oil +5 years and <5% of samples
No failed gearboxes observed
Recommendation
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
• Take sample every 6 months when oil older than 5 years
• Look on tar inside gearbox, filters, sight glasses
• Be observant
• If Cu level >5 ppm take new sample within 3 months
• If Cu level >10 ppm prepare for oil exchange
• Use flush oil
• Unsolved questions
• Are tar on brass disappearing? After new fill.
• Is brass corrosion on brass cages lowered by early exchange of oil
• Endoscopy investigations needed
• Is this a general problem with more oil formulas?
More information
• Can be found in the report :
- Tar and brass corrosion problems
If you have any problems or notice this phenomena
Please contact Operational Support, Thomas Stalin.
Thomas.stalin@vattenfall.com
Thanks for your Cooperation! This work was possible with combined
information from several sites.
Confidentiality - Medium (C2)

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Old oil vgb 22 mars 2017 ver 2

  • 1. WHEN TO CHANGE GBX OIL VGB, Hamburg, 22nd of Mars 2017, Thomas Stalin
  • 2. Confidentiality - Medium (C2) Oil Exchange • Oil should be changed based on Oil Quality Properties - Instead of exchanging an oil based on yearly intervals - Dialog with turbine manufacturers, gearbox suppliers and oil companies • After five years the oil sample should be sent in for full analyze - If Quality is acceptable good, the oil should be used for another 1year/6 months. - When Oil reaches end of life it should be tested every 6 months.
  • 3. Cost Savings • SRL and SOH - 40 + 9 Vestas V90 2/1.8 MW with each 300 liters - Oil bath temperature +55 degrees Celsius - HSS bearing temperature 62 to 68 degrees Celsius - >10 degrees lower operating temperature than 80 degrees =>2X life - Cost of exchanging oil 5 000 Euro/turbine + production loss - Cost of extra oil sampling 35 Euro + workmanship - Total positive cash flow 245 000 Euro, during 20 years of operation one oil exchange saved • Offshore even larger savings Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
  • 4. Test of new and used oil Confidentiality - High Figure 5.2: Overall assessment normalized to one by dividing through the sum of the weighing coefficients. All test data is included and multiplied with the weighing coefficient obtained above Two of our most used synthetic oils; brown and green, showed stable tribological values after 5 years. Mineral oil red showed decreased values after 3 years.Note: Lower is better.
  • 5. Viscosity and aging Confidentiality - Medium (C2) C C H H H H C C Polyalphaolefin Monomer Dimer Trimer Polyalkylene glycol Lifetime Viscosity Brown Yellow Red Green Viscosity nearly never shows bad values for synthetic oils after 5 years.
  • 6. Test Results Used Oil Analysis, FUCHS Spain Dark blue fresh oil: No. 12-2494 RENOLIN UNISYN CLP 320 Green used Oil: No. 12-2365 RENOLIN UNISYN CLP 320 Machine A 3.3 Weight loss very low: GFKT high !! Excellent wear protection after 5 - 6 years !! Micro Pitting short test: DGMK FZG (after 5 - 6 years) GFKT – C 8,3/ 90 (16 h / load stage) January 2017 - FS, Product Management Industrial Oils, W. Bock, R. Ambrosi; Research & Development Industrial Oils, Dr. J. Braun, T. Schuermann
  • 7. Weight loss: 14 mg, 10 mg !! Excellent wear protection after 8 years !! January 2017 - FS, Product Management Industrial Oils, W. Bock, R. Ambrosi; Research & Development Industrial Oils, Dr. J. Braun, T. Schuermann Test Results Used Oil Analysis, FUCHS Spain
  • 8. Life Time Confidentiality - Medium (C2) Mineral oils, CLP-M: 2 years or 10.000 h Synth. Ester („Bio“), CLP-E: 2 years or 10.000 h Polyglycol, CLP-PG: 4 years or 20.000 h Polyalphaolefins, CLP-PAO: 4 years or 20.000 h Lifetime at an average oil sump temperature of 80 °C (according to Flender) Contaminations (e.g. water, dirt, abrasion / wear products, acid gases, etc.) have a negative influence on the lifetime. Lifetime depends on operating conditions
  • 9. Oil Temperatures Confidentiality - Medium (C2) • Oil bath temperature +55 degrees • High speed shaft bearing temperature 62 degrees • Temperatures well below 70 degrees and 2X lifetime to be assumed • Differs 5 degrees between turbines.
  • 10. 2X lifetime = 10 degrees lower temperature Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
  • 11. Arrenius Rate Rule Confidentiality - Medium (C2) The Arrhenius equation, named for 19th-century Swedish chemist Svante Arrhenius. In 1903, Arrhenius won a Nobel Prize when he figured out the relationship between temperature and most chemical reaction rates. Often called the Arrhenius Rate Rule, it relates to the fact that lubricants, once they've exceeded their base activation temperature, will degrade (oxidize) twice as fast for every 10 degrees C (18 degrees F) increase in temperature
  • 12. FTIR Analyses and TAN Confidentiality - Medium (C2) Infra red analyses can show if antioxidants are depleted. If curve remarkably lower oil is aged. Total Acid Number <2.0 mgKOH/g
  • 13. Prediction of remaining lifetime, Additives Confidentiality - Medium (C2) Trend the decrease of additives. Limit values is needed. Many times stable values.
  • 14. Test Results Used Oil Analysis, FUCHS Spain Confidentiality - Medium (C2) 325330,3330326,5331 330329328,4322,7317 312,7316,3 270 320 370 jul-10 ene-11 jul-11 ene-12 jul-12 ene-13 jul-13 ene-14 jul-14 ene-15 jul-15 ene-16 V40 35,035,035,035,234,735,335 36 33,734,3 34,234,4 24,0 34,0 44,0 jul-10 ene-11 jul-11 ene-12 jul-12 ene-13 jul-13 ene-14 jul-14 ene-15 jul-15 ene-16 V100 153151151 153 149 152151 156 147 153 154153 130 150 170 jul-10 ene-11 jul-11 ene-12 jul-12 ene-13 jul-13 ene-14 jul-14 ene-15 jul-15 ene-16 VI 0,750,70,720,770,77 0,80,83 0,76 0,9 0,75 0,780,7 0,4 0,9 1,4 1,9 jul-10 ene-11 jul-11 ene-12 jul-12 ene-13 jul-13 ene-14 jul-14 ene-15 jul-15 ene-16 Acidity number 8 7 8 10 5 12 5 201516 1822 0 50 100 jul-10 ene-11 jul-11 ene-12 jul-12 ene-13 jul-13 ene-14 jul-14 ene-15 jul-15 ene-16 Iron 7 - 8 years lifetime with good experience !!
  • 15. Interpretation of results, Limit values Confidentiality - Medium (C2) Demand to get limit values at time of purchase Note: It is not this oil that is used in the samples presented
  • 16. Tar in offline filter Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
  • 18. Tar deposits, ICP Analyses Confidentiality - Medium (C2) High contents of metal Fe, Cu and Additives P and Zn
  • 19. Tar on brass surfaces Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
  • 20. Tar and clogged filters Confidentiality - Medium (C2)
  • 21. Brass corrosion Confidentiality - Medium (C2) Fast increasing Cu values
  • 22. Cracking oil on heaters, low oil level Confidentiality - Medium (C2) Check oil level to avoid cracking. Look at sight glasses. Low oil level destroys the oil and clogs filters.
  • 23. General observatíon Confidentiality - Medium (C2) A) High cupper values 20 to 80 ppm rapidly increasing over one year. B) Tar products as precipitated sludge found in offline filter and on gearbox walls C) Black large tar particles found in the inline filter and at other places in the gearbox D) Black tar on brass casings in the bearings E) Corrosion of the brass cages F) Black oil Found on aged oil +5 years and <5% of samples No failed gearboxes observed
  • 24. Recommendation Confidentiality - Medium (C2) • Take sample every 6 months when oil older than 5 years • Look on tar inside gearbox, filters, sight glasses • Be observant • If Cu level >5 ppm take new sample within 3 months • If Cu level >10 ppm prepare for oil exchange • Use flush oil • Unsolved questions • Are tar on brass disappearing? After new fill. • Is brass corrosion on brass cages lowered by early exchange of oil • Endoscopy investigations needed • Is this a general problem with more oil formulas?
  • 25. More information • Can be found in the report : - Tar and brass corrosion problems If you have any problems or notice this phenomena Please contact Operational Support, Thomas Stalin. Thomas.stalin@vattenfall.com Thanks for your Cooperation! This work was possible with combined information from several sites. Confidentiality - Medium (C2)