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Pastor Payroll – Agenda
 Classification of Workers
 Who can be a Pastor?
 What does “dual status” mean?
 Housing Allowances
 Reporting Pastor Compensation
 Concerns & Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes
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Pastor
Treasurer/Board
Member/Leadership
Bookkeeper –
Employee of Church
Outside Bookkeeper
or Accountant
Other
What is your
role at your
House of
Worship?
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Pastor Payroll – Agenda
 Classification of Workers
 Who can be a Pastor?
 What does “dual status” mean?
 Housing Allowances
 Reporting Pastor Compensation
 Concerns & Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes
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Classification of Workers
EMPLOYEE
 Works for the HOW
 HOW hires (and can fire) the
employee
 Employment Agreement
 HOW controls schedule
 HOW trains/supervises
 HOW provides facilities,
equipment, tools
 HOW reimburses expenses
 HOW determines pay rates &
schedule
 Entitled to benefits
NON-EMPLOYEE
 NEC has their own business
 Independent biz owner offering
services to the public
 Contractual Agreement
 NEC controls schedule
 NEC knows what/how to do work
 NEC provides own tools; pays own
expenses
 NEC has potential profit & risk of loss
 NEC determines pricing & invoices for
work done
 NEC provides own insurance coverage
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Key Factors = Employee or Non-EE?
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CONTROL
FINANCIAL
TIME &
SUPERVISION
RELATIONSHIP
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Reporting Payments
Employees Non-Employees
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1099nec.pdf
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw2.pdf
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Pastor Payroll – Agenda
 Classification of Workers
 Who can be a Pastor?
 What does “dual status” mean?
 Housing Allowances
 Reporting Pastor Compensation
 Concerns & Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes
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Who Can Be a Pastor?
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/ministers.pdf
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Licensed, ordained, or commissioned
by a church or denomination
Common law employee of a religious
body – church or denomination
• Administer sacerdotal functions
• Conduct religious worship
• Management responsibility in the control,
conduct, or maintenance of a church or
denomination
• Considered a religious leader by a church or
denomination
• Administer sacerdotal functions
• Conduct religious worship
• Management responsibility in the control,
conduct, or maintenance of a church or
denomination
• Considered a religious leader by a church or
denomination
Worker performs ministerial duties
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Why being a Pastor is important?
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/ministers.pdf
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Classification determines how a minister
prepares his/her tax return for income tax
and social security/Medicare purposes.
Potential double benefit of
mortgage interest & real estate
taxes as itemized deductions and
as excludable housing expenses
Exemption from
mandatory income
tax withholding
Voluntary
withholding of
income taxes
to cover Fed & SECA
Housing
Allowance is*
excluded from
income taxes
Exemption
from SE tax under
VERY LIMITED
circumstances
*Portion of housing
allowance may not
be excluded.
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Pastor Payroll – Agenda
 Classification of Workers
 Who can be a Pastor?
 What does “dual status” mean?
 Housing Allowances
 Reporting Pastor Compensation
 Concerns & Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes
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What does “dual status” mean?
 Status of EMPLOYEE
for Income Tax purposes
 Status of SELF-EMPLOYED
for Social Security & Medicare purposes
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Which form does a Pastor get?
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Employees
Non-Employees
W-2
1099-NEC
Both: W-2 for Salary;
1099 for Housing
Either one will work
No clue
Which form
should a
Pastor
receive?
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Pastor Payroll – Agenda
 Classification of Workers
 Who can be a Pastor – and why does it matter?
 What does “dual status” mean?
 Housing Allowances
 Reporting Pastor Compensation
 Concerns & Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes
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Pastor Compensation
Housing
Benefits
Salary
Excluded from federal
(and most state)
income tax; but
subject to SE tax
MAY be taxable for both
income tax and SE tax
Included in income
for income tax and
SE tax
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Housing Allowances
A minister's housing allowance
(sometimes called a parsonage allowance or a rental allowance)
is excludable from gross income
for income tax purposes
but NOT excludable
for self-employment tax purposes.
https://www.irs.gov/faqs/interest-dividends-other-types-of-income/ministers-compensation-housing-allowance/ministers-compensation-housing-allowance
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Housing - The Lesser of Three
Board
Designated
Fair
Rental
Value
Actual
Expenses
Mortgage
Principal &
Interest
RE Taxes
Home/Renter
Insurance
HOA Fees
Utilities
Repairs
Yard
Maintenance
Furniture
Appliances
Down Pmt in
Yr of
Purchase
Furnished
Utilities
Dollar
Amount
or
Percentage of
Income
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Approval of Housing Allowance
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Suggestions
Document approval in writing.
Include a safe harbor clause to continue
allowance beyond year.
Don’t become your Pastor’s tax advisor.
Seek guidance from a qualified realtor
regarding fair rental value.
Sign and date the form, and record in
Board minutes.
Make appropriate adjustments with your
payroll service.
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REMINDERS
 Housing Allowances must be:
 Formally designated and
approved in advance
 May NOT be established or
changed retroactively
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Exception to Housing Exclusion
If your housing allowance
exceeds the lesser of
your reasonable compensation,
the fair rental value of the home,
or your actual expenses directly relating
to providing the home,
you must include the
amount of the excess in income.
https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc417 Note: It is ultimately the Pastor’s responsibility
to determine any excess housing allowance.
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Housing
Allowance is*
excluded from
income taxes
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Pastor Payroll – Agenda
 Classification of Workers
 Who can be a Pastor?
 What does “dual status” mean?
 Housing Allowances
 Reporting Pastor Compensation
 Concerns & Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes
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Pastor’s W2
Boxes 3, 4, 5 & 6
Blank (or $0) for pastors
Box 14 = Housing Allowance
Box 16 = Generally the same
as Box 1 unless housing
allowance is taxable for state
income taxes
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Box 1 = Total Compensation,
NOT including housing allowance
Exemption from
mandatory income
tax withholding
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What’s included in Box 1 income?
Salary &
Bonuses
Cash &
Gift Cards
Reimbursed
FICA/Pers Ins
Non-Accountable
Allowances
Moving
Expenses
Honorariums
Pastor Appreciation
Love Offerings
Des
Fund
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No
Yes, a
few
Yes, a
bunch
Way too
many
Does your
House of
Worship
collect
Designated/
Restricted
Funds?
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Pastor Payroll – Agenda
 Classification of Workers
 Who can be a Pastor?
 What does “dual status” mean?
 Housing Allowances
 Reporting Pastor Compensation
 Common Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes
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Common Misconceptions about
Pastor Taxes
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Churches Can Pay (or Reimburse) Pastor’s FICA
Pastors Cannot Have Any Taxes Withheld
Pastor Must File a Form 4361; otherwise, Soc Sec &
Medicare Taxes Will Be Withheld
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Common Misconceptions about
Pastor Taxes
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Churches Can Pay (or Reimburse) Pastor’s FICA
• “Reimbursements” are always considered additional compensation to the
Pastor and show up on W2 – Box 1
• Pastors must pay SECA taxes personally
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What’s included in Box 1 income?
Salary &
Bonuses
Cash &
Gift Cards
Reimbursed
FICA/Pers Ins
Non-Accountable
Allowances
Moving
Expenses
Honorariums
Pastor Appreciation
Love Offerings
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Pastors Pay SE Taxes Personally
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Common Misconceptions about
Pastor Taxes
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Pastors Cannot Have Any Taxes Withheld
• If no withholdings, Pastors make quarterly estimated tax payments
• Pastors CAN have Extra FWT to cover both sides of SS & Medicare tax (SE
Tax) – but all taxes appear in Box 2 - never shown in Box 3,4,5,6
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Estimated Taxes Due “Quarterly”
Pay online at
www.irs.gov/etpay
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Pastors CAN Have Extra FWT
States have a similar form that
will allow Pastors to withhold
state taxes as well.
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Voluntary
withholding of
income taxes
to cover Fed & SECA
Common Misconceptions about
Pastor Taxes
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Pastor Must File a Form 4361; otherwise, Soc Sec & Medicare
Taxes Will Be Withheld
• Form 4361 has no bearing on withholding; SS & Medicare are never
withheld from a Pastor’s payroll check
• Form 4361 is about conscientious objection to the acceptance of public
insurance; cannot be filed for economic reasons; is irrevocable
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Form 4361 – Exemption from SE Tax
Can NOT opt out for economic reasons.
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Exemption
from SE tax under
VERY LIMITED
circumstances
This form creates an IRREVOCABLE election between the Pastor & the IRS.
Filing for Exemption of SE Tax
Receive Receive approved copy of Form 4361 from IRS
Verify Verify grounds for exemption, under penalties of perjury.
Can NOT be for economic reasons.
Inform Inform your church/licensing body of church of conscientious opposition.
File File IRS Form 4361 prior to timing deadline
Certify
Conscientious opposition to the ACCEPTANCE of any public insurance
that makes payments in the event of death, disability, old age, or
retirement; or that makes payments toward the cost of, or provides
services for, medical care (includes Social Security & Medicare)
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Common Misconceptions about
Pastor Taxes
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Churches Can Pay (or Reimburse) Pastor’s FICA
• “Reimbursements” are always considered additional compensation to the
Pastor
• Pastors must pay SECA taxes personally
Pastors Cannot Have Any Taxes Withheld
• If no withholdings, Pastors make quarterly estimated tax payments
• Pastors CAN have Extra FWT to cover both sides of SS & Medicare tax (SE
Tax) – but all taxes appear in Box 2 - never shown in Box 3,4,5,6
Pastor Must File a Form 4361; otherwise, Soc Sec & Medicare
Taxes Will Be Withheld
• Form 4361 has no bearing on withholding; SS & Medicare are never
withheld from a Pastor’s payroll check
• Form 4361 is about conscientious objection to the acceptance of public
insurance; cannot be filed for economic reasons; is irrevocable
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Useful Resources
Ministers Audit Techniques Guide
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/ministers.pdf
Publication 517
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p517.pdf
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Understanding Pastor Payroll

  • 1. QuickBooks® for Houses of Worship: Understanding Pastor Payroll Get Social Use Hashtag #QBME Twitter: @QBMadeEasy @GreggBossen WELCOME!!! WE WILL START AT 2:02PM ET (11:02AM PT) YOU SHOULD BE HEARING MUSIC!!! Presenters: Barbara L. Starley, CPA Gregg S. Bossen, CPA @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 2. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar About Our Instructors Gregg S. Bossen, CPA  Certified Advanced QuickBooks ProAdvisor®  Specializes in Industry Specific Training  Author of QuickBooks® Made Easy™ for Nonprofits  National Trainer – seminars around the country www.quickbooksmadeeasy.com Barbara L. Starley, CPA  QuickBooks ProAdvisor®  Best-Selling Author - Your Amazing IttyBitty QuickBooks books  On-Call Controller  Founder - Good Steward Church Academy®  Email: Barbara@OnCallController.com @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved https://www.barbarastarley.com
  • 3. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Make ZOOM Screen Bigger • MOVE YOUR MOUSE AROUND • LOOK FOR “VIEW” ICON ON TOP RIGHT • SELECT “FULL SCREEN” @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 4. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar What We Do  Streamable Training Products  Nonprofit QB Tech Support  Live Seminars/Webinars across the country www.QuickBooksMadeEasy.com | 1-888-726-2333 Train & Support Nonprofits using QuickBooks @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 5. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar QBME’s Nonprofit Services  Quick Look https://quickbooksmadeeasy.com/product/quick-look/  Check Up https://quickbooksmadeeasy.com/product/check-up/  File Setup https://quickbooksmadeeasy.com/product/file-setup/  QuickBooks Migration (discount through TechSoup) https://www.techsoup.org/products/quickbooks-data-migration-support-g-57380-  Mapping to QuickBooks https://quickbooksmadeeasy.com/crm-mapping-to-quickbooks/  Donor Database Import https://quickbooksmadeeasy.com/product/donor-database-import/ @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 6. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar More Webinars to be Announced!! Upcoming Webinar Series QuickBooks for Houses of Worship 2-Day Webinar Series $249 with $50 off coupon code: TS50OFF (reg. $299) FOR QUICKBOOKS DESKTOP USERS Wed, Sept 20 - Thurs, Sept 21 2:00 – 4:30pm ET https://quickbooksmadeeasy.com/event/ how-webinar-series-sept-desktop/ FOR QUICKBOOKS ONLINE USERS Wed, Sept 27 – Thurs, Sept 28 2:00 – 4:30pm ET https://quickbooksmadeeasy.com/event/ how-webinar-series-sept-online/ @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 7. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Special Offer! Ends 8/19/2023 at 11:59PM PT • QuickBooks for Houses of Worship $269 The material covers both basic and advanced topics of using QuickBooks for churches and other houses of worship. Normally: $299 Code: TS30OFF  Tech Support for 1 Year $299 Normally: $499.00 Code: TSTS299 @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 8. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Pastor Payroll – Agenda  Classification of Workers  Who can be a Pastor?  What does “dual status” mean?  Housing Allowances  Reporting Pastor Compensation  Concerns & Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 9. Pastor Treasurer/Board Member/Leadership Bookkeeper – Employee of Church Outside Bookkeeper or Accountant Other What is your role at your House of Worship? @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved POLL QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar
  • 10. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Pastor Payroll – Agenda  Classification of Workers  Who can be a Pastor?  What does “dual status” mean?  Housing Allowances  Reporting Pastor Compensation  Concerns & Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 11. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Classification of Workers EMPLOYEE  Works for the HOW  HOW hires (and can fire) the employee  Employment Agreement  HOW controls schedule  HOW trains/supervises  HOW provides facilities, equipment, tools  HOW reimburses expenses  HOW determines pay rates & schedule  Entitled to benefits NON-EMPLOYEE  NEC has their own business  Independent biz owner offering services to the public  Contractual Agreement  NEC controls schedule  NEC knows what/how to do work  NEC provides own tools; pays own expenses  NEC has potential profit & risk of loss  NEC determines pricing & invoices for work done  NEC provides own insurance coverage @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 12. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Key Factors = Employee or Non-EE? @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved CONTROL FINANCIAL TIME & SUPERVISION RELATIONSHIP
  • 13. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Reporting Payments Employees Non-Employees https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1099nec.pdf https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw2.pdf @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 14. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Pastor Payroll – Agenda  Classification of Workers  Who can be a Pastor?  What does “dual status” mean?  Housing Allowances  Reporting Pastor Compensation  Concerns & Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 15. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Who Can Be a Pastor? https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/ministers.pdf @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved Licensed, ordained, or commissioned by a church or denomination Common law employee of a religious body – church or denomination • Administer sacerdotal functions • Conduct religious worship • Management responsibility in the control, conduct, or maintenance of a church or denomination • Considered a religious leader by a church or denomination • Administer sacerdotal functions • Conduct religious worship • Management responsibility in the control, conduct, or maintenance of a church or denomination • Considered a religious leader by a church or denomination Worker performs ministerial duties
  • 16. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Why being a Pastor is important? https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/ministers.pdf @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved Classification determines how a minister prepares his/her tax return for income tax and social security/Medicare purposes. Potential double benefit of mortgage interest & real estate taxes as itemized deductions and as excludable housing expenses Exemption from mandatory income tax withholding Voluntary withholding of income taxes to cover Fed & SECA Housing Allowance is* excluded from income taxes Exemption from SE tax under VERY LIMITED circumstances *Portion of housing allowance may not be excluded.
  • 17. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Pastor Payroll – Agenda  Classification of Workers  Who can be a Pastor?  What does “dual status” mean?  Housing Allowances  Reporting Pastor Compensation  Concerns & Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 18. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar What does “dual status” mean?  Status of EMPLOYEE for Income Tax purposes  Status of SELF-EMPLOYED for Social Security & Medicare purposes @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 19. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Which form does a Pastor get? @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved Employees Non-Employees
  • 20. W-2 1099-NEC Both: W-2 for Salary; 1099 for Housing Either one will work No clue Which form should a Pastor receive? @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved POLL QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar
  • 21. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Pastor Payroll – Agenda  Classification of Workers  Who can be a Pastor – and why does it matter?  What does “dual status” mean?  Housing Allowances  Reporting Pastor Compensation  Concerns & Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 22. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Pastor Compensation Housing Benefits Salary Excluded from federal (and most state) income tax; but subject to SE tax MAY be taxable for both income tax and SE tax Included in income for income tax and SE tax @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 23. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Housing Allowances A minister's housing allowance (sometimes called a parsonage allowance or a rental allowance) is excludable from gross income for income tax purposes but NOT excludable for self-employment tax purposes. https://www.irs.gov/faqs/interest-dividends-other-types-of-income/ministers-compensation-housing-allowance/ministers-compensation-housing-allowance @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 24. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Housing - The Lesser of Three Board Designated Fair Rental Value Actual Expenses Mortgage Principal & Interest RE Taxes Home/Renter Insurance HOA Fees Utilities Repairs Yard Maintenance Furniture Appliances Down Pmt in Yr of Purchase Furnished Utilities Dollar Amount or Percentage of Income @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 25. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Approval of Housing Allowance @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved Suggestions Document approval in writing. Include a safe harbor clause to continue allowance beyond year. Don’t become your Pastor’s tax advisor. Seek guidance from a qualified realtor regarding fair rental value. Sign and date the form, and record in Board minutes. Make appropriate adjustments with your payroll service. tinyurl.com/GSCADownloads FREE DOWNLOAD Use code: PASTOR
  • 26. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar REMINDERS  Housing Allowances must be:  Formally designated and approved in advance  May NOT be established or changed retroactively @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 27. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Exception to Housing Exclusion If your housing allowance exceeds the lesser of your reasonable compensation, the fair rental value of the home, or your actual expenses directly relating to providing the home, you must include the amount of the excess in income. https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc417 Note: It is ultimately the Pastor’s responsibility to determine any excess housing allowance. @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved Housing Allowance is* excluded from income taxes
  • 28. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Pastor Payroll – Agenda  Classification of Workers  Who can be a Pastor?  What does “dual status” mean?  Housing Allowances  Reporting Pastor Compensation  Concerns & Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 29. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Pastor’s W2 Boxes 3, 4, 5 & 6 Blank (or $0) for pastors Box 14 = Housing Allowance Box 16 = Generally the same as Box 1 unless housing allowance is taxable for state income taxes @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved Box 1 = Total Compensation, NOT including housing allowance Exemption from mandatory income tax withholding
  • 30. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar What’s included in Box 1 income? Salary & Bonuses Cash & Gift Cards Reimbursed FICA/Pers Ins Non-Accountable Allowances Moving Expenses Honorariums Pastor Appreciation Love Offerings Des Fund @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 31. No Yes, a few Yes, a bunch Way too many Does your House of Worship collect Designated/ Restricted Funds? @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved POLL QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar
  • 32. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Pastor Payroll – Agenda  Classification of Workers  Who can be a Pastor?  What does “dual status” mean?  Housing Allowances  Reporting Pastor Compensation  Common Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 33. Common Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Churches Can Pay (or Reimburse) Pastor’s FICA Pastors Cannot Have Any Taxes Withheld Pastor Must File a Form 4361; otherwise, Soc Sec & Medicare Taxes Will Be Withheld @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 34. Common Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Churches Can Pay (or Reimburse) Pastor’s FICA • “Reimbursements” are always considered additional compensation to the Pastor and show up on W2 – Box 1 • Pastors must pay SECA taxes personally @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 35. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar What’s included in Box 1 income? Salary & Bonuses Cash & Gift Cards Reimbursed FICA/Pers Ins Non-Accountable Allowances Moving Expenses Honorariums Pastor Appreciation Love Offerings @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 36. Pastors Pay SE Taxes Personally @2023 Barbara L. Starley, CPA. All rights reserved. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar
  • 37. Common Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved Pastors Cannot Have Any Taxes Withheld • If no withholdings, Pastors make quarterly estimated tax payments • Pastors CAN have Extra FWT to cover both sides of SS & Medicare tax (SE Tax) – but all taxes appear in Box 2 - never shown in Box 3,4,5,6
  • 38. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved Estimated Taxes Due “Quarterly” Pay online at www.irs.gov/etpay
  • 39. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Pastors CAN Have Extra FWT States have a similar form that will allow Pastors to withhold state taxes as well. @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved Voluntary withholding of income taxes to cover Fed & SECA
  • 40. Common Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Pastor Must File a Form 4361; otherwise, Soc Sec & Medicare Taxes Will Be Withheld • Form 4361 has no bearing on withholding; SS & Medicare are never withheld from a Pastor’s payroll check • Form 4361 is about conscientious objection to the acceptance of public insurance; cannot be filed for economic reasons; is irrevocable @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 41. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Form 4361 – Exemption from SE Tax Can NOT opt out for economic reasons. @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved Exemption from SE tax under VERY LIMITED circumstances This form creates an IRREVOCABLE election between the Pastor & the IRS.
  • 42. Filing for Exemption of SE Tax Receive Receive approved copy of Form 4361 from IRS Verify Verify grounds for exemption, under penalties of perjury. Can NOT be for economic reasons. Inform Inform your church/licensing body of church of conscientious opposition. File File IRS Form 4361 prior to timing deadline Certify Conscientious opposition to the ACCEPTANCE of any public insurance that makes payments in the event of death, disability, old age, or retirement; or that makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (includes Social Security & Medicare) @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar
  • 43. Common Misconceptions about Pastor Taxes QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Churches Can Pay (or Reimburse) Pastor’s FICA • “Reimbursements” are always considered additional compensation to the Pastor • Pastors must pay SECA taxes personally Pastors Cannot Have Any Taxes Withheld • If no withholdings, Pastors make quarterly estimated tax payments • Pastors CAN have Extra FWT to cover both sides of SS & Medicare tax (SE Tax) – but all taxes appear in Box 2 - never shown in Box 3,4,5,6 Pastor Must File a Form 4361; otherwise, Soc Sec & Medicare Taxes Will Be Withheld • Form 4361 has no bearing on withholding; SS & Medicare are never withheld from a Pastor’s payroll check • Form 4361 is about conscientious objection to the acceptance of public insurance; cannot be filed for economic reasons; is irrevocable @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 44. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Useful Resources Ministers Audit Techniques Guide https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/ministers.pdf Publication 517 https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p517.pdf @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 45. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar More Webinars to be Announced!! Upcoming Webinar Series QuickBooks for Houses of Worship 2-Day Webinar Series $249 with $50 off coupon code: TS50OFF (reg. $299) FOR QUICKBOOKS DESKTOP USERS Wed, Sept 20 - Thurs, Sept 21 2:00 – 4:30pm ET https://quickbooksmadeeasy.com/event/ how-webinar-series-sept-desktop/ FOR QUICKBOOKS ONLINE USERS Wed, Sept 27 – Thurs, Sept 28 2:00 – 4:30pm ET https://quickbooksmadeeasy.com/event/ how-webinar-series-sept-online/ @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
  • 46. QuickBooks Made Easy for Houses of Worship Webinar Special Offer! Ends 8/19/2023 at 11:59PM PT • QuickBooks for Houses of Worship $269 The material covers both basic and advanced topics of using QuickBooks for houses of worship and churches. Normally: $299 Code: TS30OFF  Tech Support for 1 Year $299 Normally: $499.00 Code: TSTS299 @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved
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  • 48. QuickBooks Made Easy for Nonprofits Presenters: Barbara L. Starley, CPA Gregg S. Bossen, CPA Please Leave a Google Review!! (we appreciate it): https://g.page/r/Ca4UBrkOS1rREAg/review @2023 Barbara L Starley, CPA. All Rights Reserved