Articulating the return on investment (ROI) of People Practices is extremely challenging. However, even small improvements in practices like hiring, onboarding, and managing talent can result in significant ROI for the business. In this webinar, Maia will use her previous experiences as a derivatives trader and CEO to walk through a framework and case study that helps to articulate the ROI of investing in People by using the concept of Employee Lifetime Value (ELTV).
In this webinar, you’ll learn:
- How to articulate the ROI of investing in People
- The 4 ways to increase Employee Lifetime Value (ELTV) in your organization
- How to use ELTV to get buy-in from executives for the resources and tools you need
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How to Understand the ROI of Investing in People
1. How to understand the
ROI of investing in People
U s ing Employee Lifetime Value to
artic ulate ROI
Maia Josebachvili
VP of Strategy & People
@MaiaJo_
3. Maia Josebachvili
VP OF STRATEGY & PEOPLE
Maia Josebachvili is the VP of Strategy & People at
Greenhouse, where she’s part of the executive
team that’s led the company through 8x growth in
just two years. Previously Maiahas been a Founder
& CEO, a derivatives trader on Wall Street, an
engineer, and a pro-skydiver.
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Onboarding
Hiring Management &
Development
Management &
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CASE 1
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consistently hit quota
A better onboarding
program can decrease
ramp time by 30%1
CASE 2
4 months to ramp and
constituently hit quota
1. Organizations with a strong onboarding process improve new hire retention by
82% and productivity by over 70%. (Brandon Hall, The True Cost of a Bad Hire,
2015)
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6 months to ramp and
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CASE 2
4 months to ramp and
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A better onboarding
program can decrease
ramp time by 30%1
1. Organizations with a strong onboarding process improve new hire retention by
82% and productivity by over 70%. (Brandon Hall, The True Cost of a Bad Hire,
2015)
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Case2: Fully ramped
in 4 months
Case1: Still ramping
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1. A study from the Boston Consulting Group shows that recruiting is the HR
function with the highest impact on revenue. Excellent recruiting practices contribute
to more than 3x revenue growth and 2x profit margins.
A better hire can
outperform a peer
by 20%1
CASE 2
Consistently surpasses
monthly sales quota by
bringing on $60k per month
Consistently hits $50k
per month sales quota
CASE 1
H I R I N G
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1. A study from the Boston Consulting Group shows that recruiting is the HR
function with the highest impact on revenue. Excellent recruiting practices contribute
to more than 3x revenue growth and 2x profit margins.
A better hire can
outperform a peer
by 20%1
CASE 2
Consistently surpasses
monthly sales quota by
bringing on $60k per month
Consistently hits $50k
per month sales quota
CASE 1
H I R I N G
Case 2: 20%
more sales
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1. Companies that hire managers based on their management skills saw a 48%
increase in profitability. (State of the American Manager, Gallup, April 2015)
Great management and
development can
improve an employee’s
performance by 20% in
a year1
CASE 2
Goes from $60k in monthly
sales to $72k in monthly
sales in year 2
Continues to hit $50k
per month sales quota
CASE 1
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Goes from $60k in monthly
sales to $72k in monthly
sales in year 2
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per month sales quota
CASE 1
1. Companies that hire managers based on their management skills saw a 48%
increase in profitability. (State of the American Manager, Gallup, April 2015)
M A N A G E M E N T & D E V E L O P M E N T
Case 2: 20%
increase in
sales in year 2
Great management and
development can
improve an employee’s
performance by 20% in
a year1
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1. 36% of people switching jobs left because they were “unsatisfied with the work
environment / culture” of their previous employer. (Why and How People Change
Jobs, LinkedIn, 2015)
A great culture,
coupled with good
management, can
increase employee
tenure by one year1
CASE 2
Continues to thrive for
another year
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job 20 months in; leaves
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1. 36% of people switching jobs left because they were “unsatisfied with the work
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Jobs, LinkedIn, 2015)
A great culture,
coupled with good
management, can
increase employee
tenure by one year1
CASE 2
Continues to thrive for
another year
Starts to look for a new
job 20 months in; leaves
after 2 years
CASE 1
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Hiring a better person
Hiring a person
more suited for
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ROI
36. E X A M P L E
Proposal
Template
G R E E N H O U S E P R O P O S A L
Situation Analysis
W h a t ’ s t h e c u r r e n t s t a t e o f t h i n g s ?
U s e d a t a a n d i n f o r m a t i o n f r o m y o u r
c o m p a n y a n d s u p p o r t i n g d a t a f r o m
e x t e r n a l s t u d i e s .
Proposed Solution
H o w d o y o u ‘ c o m b a t ’ t h e p r o b l e m ,
o r l e v e r a g e t h e o p p o r t u n i t y ?
37. E X A M P L E
Proposal
Template
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New York, NY 10011
Return on Investment
I n v e s t m e n t r e q u i r e d a n d b u s i n e s s i m p a c t .
e x t e r n a l s t u d i e s .
Proposed Solution
H o w d o y o u ‘ c o m b a t ’ t h e p r o b l e m ,
o r l e v e r a g e t h e o p p o r t u n i t y ?
Obstacles, Challenges
and Open Questions
N o p l a n i s f r e e f r o m o b s t a c l e s .
B e u p f r o n t a b o u t w h a t t h o s e a r e .
38. E X A M P L E
Proposal
Template
G R E E N H O U S E P R O P O S A L
Situation Analysis
Our recruiting process is not currently set up to
make data-driven decisions. Because of this,
hiring managers often have to rely on gut-feel
when making hiring decisions.
• At [OUR.CO], the Recruiting Team has no easy
way to track basic recruiting metrics like Days
to Offer or Candidate Satisfaction
• At [OUR.CO], 15% of new hires are classified
as ‘not the right fit for the job’ at their 6-month
check-in
• A study by the BCG group showed that
excellent recruiting practices contribute to
more than 2x profit margins
• Industry studies show that hiring decisions
based on gut-feel are more likely to be
influenced by unconscious bias, which
adversely impacts a company’s Diversity &
Inclusion initiatives
39. E X A M P L E
Proposal
Template
G R E E N H O U S E P R O P O S A L
Proposed Solution
Transform the recruiting process to facilitate
evidence-based and data-driven decisions.
• Develop a set of Recruiting KPIs to send to all
stakeholders at a regular cadence. Set goals
and targets around the KPIs and communicate
progress.
• Hire a Data Analyst to develop recruiting
reports, analyze metrics, and recommend
continuous optimizations on the recruiting
process.
• Create ‘offer packets’ to share with Department
Heads before approving offers. Offer packets
should include all feedback and scorecards
submitted about the candidate.
40. E X A M P L E
Proposal
Template
G R E E N H O U S E P R O P O S A L
Return on Investment
Investment required
• Data Analyst to manage initiative ($60k/year)
Business impact
By using data to inform process improvement and
hiring decisions, we can make a significant impact
on the employee lifetime value (ELTV).
Specifically:
• Increase quality of hire
• Increase percentage of employees who stay past
6 months
41. E X A M P L E
Proposal
Template
G R E E N H O U S E P R O P O S A L
Obstacles, Challenges,
& Open questions
Like with any data project, the first step will
be ensuring data integrity. It is likely that
our data is not complete enough to report
on as-is and will need an extensive “data
clean-up” before we’re ready to start
reporting regularly.
The program will need hiring manager buy-
in. In order to create offer packets and
track all of the data, interviewers will have
to input their feedback in a timely manner.
Hiring manager support in this initiative will
be very helpful.
42. G R E E N H O U S E P R O P O S A L
Return on Investment
I n v e s t m e n t r e q u i r e d a n d b u s i n e s s i m p a c t .
Situation Analysis
W h a t ’ s t h e c u r r e n t s t a t e
o f t h i n g s ? U s e d a t a a n d i n f o r m a t i o n
f r o m y o u r c o m p a n y a n d s u p p o r t i n g
d a t a f r o m e x t e r n a l s t u d i e s .
Proposed Solution
H o w d o y o u ‘ c o m b a t ’ t h e p r o b l e m ,
o r l e v e r a g e t h e o p p o r t u n i t y ?
Obstacles, Challenges
and Open Questions
N o p l a n i s f r e e f r o m o b s t a c l e s . B e u p f r o n t
a b o u t w h a t t h o s e a r e .
E X A M P L E
Proposal
Template
43. Employee Lifetime Value
Inputs: Onboarding,
hiring, management,
development, & culture
Relative value vs absolute
numbersTakeaways
H o d i e O r d o
F I G N º 0 1
Small improvements can
have a 6x return on ELTV
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Articulate the return; don’t
ask for investment
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@MaiaJo_
maia@greenhouse.io
Hi, I’m Maia
I’m the VP of Strategy & People at Greenhouse
And I’m excited to talk to you about crafting a compelling ROI business case for people
I used to be a derivatives trader on the floor of the stock exchange..
Crazy. Never had a conversation. Just yelled.
Tremendous impact on how I think about my current role.
Investment is all about calculating risk and ROI (RETURN ON INVESTMENT)
Wouldn’t make a move without knowing potential upside/downside
Calculating ROI and understanding where to get the best return on my investment was KEY to that job
It’s so important, in fact, that a Nobel Prize was awarded for the Black-Scholes options pricing model, a mathematical equation that prices derivatives and helps traders calculate ROI
The same concept applies to all parts of business. You’re making decisions on where to get the best ROI on your investment.
But when it comes to asking your executive team for more investment in PEOPLE –
ROI is tougher to calculate
We end up with a kind of ”fuzzy math”.
The investment, or cost, is pretty straightforward. But companies really struggle with figuring out the return part of the equation.
And most companies don’t deal well with the uncertainty of known cost, unknown return
In response to that fuzzy math, most companies do one of two things (or both things)
Anything (they copy what other companies do, essentially copy/pasting vision/strategy from other companies onto their own)
Without understanding what the ROI is for them there
Perks war – companies saw Google had a great culture, and great perks, and so they started investing in perks (everyone just started doing what everyone else was doing)
Nothing! (they under-invest in their people)
So lots of companies have understaff their People functions, wait a long time before building it out.
Because coming back to this concept of known cost, unknown return -> spending is expensive if you don’t know what you’re getting from it.
Neither solution results in a good ROI
How do other parts of the business do it?
They say – here’s that status quo. And here’s a new return I can produce.
And guess what happens? The executive team starts to salivate, and you bet they get the investment they’re asking for.
Let’s try another one
What if the CTO said…
You know that 1-year product roadmap we’ve all committed to? Guess what?
My team can finish it in half the time. Yes, the whole 1-year development roadmap, we’ll do it in 6 months.
What would the reaction be? The executive team would probably (a) be ecstatic, and (b) give a little extra investment, right?
Of course they would.
How do we do that? What’s our version?
It’s about getting past this fuzzy math – getting past the known cost, unknown return.
What we need to do is understand the ROI of our efforts.
The reason it hasn’t happened yet is pretty straightforward.
It’s really hard to calculate this. For a few clear reasons.
First, it’s very difficult to assign a concrete value to a human being and their impact on your company
Example: What do you do for an engineer? Is it lines of code? Most CTOs would kill me if I said that. Features shipped?
Too many variables (choosing what to measure)
What about the other contributions? How someone improves the culture? What they do outside of their day job? If they help the rest of the team?
Too subjective (how to measure it)
Basically, any output that is qualitative. All companies have that - like for your legal team – the quality of their contracts?
So no one has really cracked the code yet; no one has really done this reliably and consistently before
I have some good news. We don’t have to solve this – we don’t have to calculate to be able to crack the code.
Rather, we can compare.
And that’s what we’re going to talk about today.
Since we don’t trust our calculations, we don’t do anything to measure, and thus, don’t get to a good ROI
It’s pushed all of us to think very tactically about people
Perks war
How many inmails to engineers our sourcers are sending
Lists of benefits to offer
Etc.
And we avoid the strategic conversation about ROI altogether
So let’s crack that code today
Let’s do some measuring (comparing)
Let’s look at how to think strategically
And let’s talk about how to have this conversation with our executive teams
Two ways you can demonstrate impact.
Have numbers and measure the impact. Eg. Marketing leads. New number of leads.
You can’t do that, you can illustrate how far you’ve moved. Show a base case. Comparing where you start from to where you end up.
So here’s how we’re going to spend our time:
Articulating return on engagement
Comparing return on engagement -> by mapping out the employee lifecycle. And doing some math together.
Changing it / moving the levers / impact. Creating impact
Making the case
So here’s how we’re going to spend our time:
How to do it reliably at your company
Compare, don’t calculate
Return on engagement
Executive speak
Get the return?
First let’s simplify the equation a little
We can break the employee lifecycle into four distinct gates (Less emphasis on the four gates, more on the variables)
Start date
Fully contributing member
Decision to leave
Last day
Any improvement we make to this curve, at any of these points, will change the ROI
Now, let’s understand the variables in this equation. [talk through this]
Any improvement we make to this curve, at any of these points, will change the ROI
Now, let’s understand the variables in this equation. [talk through this]
There are a few things:
How quickly they ramp to fully contributing member
How high someone can go naturally
How much higher they can go over time with the right inputs
How long they stay
If they ramp faster, there’s less time they’re ‘not productive’, and more overall output in a similar period of time
The whole area is your new ELTV
The green is your incremental. That’s the ROI that we’re trying to capture. That’s the return.
And you can loosely map these to distinct people practices.
Now for the math part.
Let’s put numbers to all of this.
Sales person: $60k/year salary -> $5k /mo
Quota: $600k yearly quota -> $50k /mo
Assumptions:
Case 2 vs Case 1
-30% faster ramp
-20% higher sales in year 1
-10% increase in output after year 1; 15% after year 2
-2x tenure
Using incredibly conservative estimates, we came to a $1million dollar difference over 3 years with JUST ONE HEADCOUNT
2.2x difference in our two scenarios
Let’s play out a few more…
Saying 2-6x is one thing. What’s next?
Making the case to your executive team comes next
Let’s consider the POV we’re talking about, first
Not that different from the life of a day trader
Investment requires some calculation, a weighing of risks and benefits
And anything is more expensive than nothing
Typically, the conversations we hear about with the exec team go like this…
Don’t have enough people, we’re swamped, need to hire more…
[etc.]
[good opportunity to tell personal story from LivingSocial]
The first time I made a headcount ask, it was about how busy our team was. Everyone was working late, etc.
The second time, I came with a business plan and three scenarios that showed no extra headcount, two people, and five more people, and I showed the investment, the revenue, and the payback period. It was a much easier conversation then.
First let’s simplify the equation a little
We can break the employee lifecycle into four distinct gates (Less emphasis on the four gates, more on the variables)
Start date
Fully contributing member
Decision to leave
Last day
Any improvement we make to this curve, at any of these points, will change the ROI
Now, let’s understand the variables in this equation. [talk through this]
Pick one (or two). And articulate a theory of how you’re going to impact ELTV. Scenario the magnitude of that impact. \
At LS my scenario was a new revenue number. With People practices, it’s about the impact on the ELTV curve.
Define the problem. Illustrate the painpoint you’re going to solve. You’re submitting this proposal because it’s going to have a positive impact on the business, but it’s hard to understand and wrap your head around when you need to CHANGE when you don’t feel the pain.
Use data. Internal data -> stats about your current situation in your company.
External data -> Lots of studies that demonstrate the ELTV impact. Don’t try to convince anyone of anything, SHOW them. It’s hard to argue against data.
Business impact – don’t worry about calcuating. This is where your
This is a part that makes some people nervous to share. It’s probably not your first instinct to come in with all of the holes of your proposal. Let me tell you why you should do it anyway.
When you hand someone a business proposal, they will look for the obstacles and things that go wrong. By sharing them up front, you have the opportunity to own the story, and get in front of the conversation. This process lends you and your proposal a lot of credibility.
Plus, you’re proposing something that’s great for the business. And by articulating these problems, you’re bringing people on board to help solve them with you.
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That script walked us through the entire proposal template
Follow that and you’ll be speaking their language
Let’s recap just a few of the big points from today