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The End of Unprofitable
Marketing


Nicolas Huber
no pd


@huber_nick
Misnomers and biases of paid
search
De-risk your ad spend
Achieve profitable growth
@huber_nick #brightonSEO
#brightonSEO
https://sparktoro.com/blog/what-if-performance-advertising-is-just-an-analytics-scam/ @huber_nick
#brightonSEO
“somewhere between 60-99% of the people exposed
to [your ads] would have purchased anyway.“
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
“If you have the patience and discipline to
focus on profitability over unprofitable growth,
grab it.”
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
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@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
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Source: https://www.searchenginewatch.com/2018/03/26/why-google-shopping-is-
dominating-retail-search-marketing/
82% of search ad spend
87.9% of clicks
Retail:
@huber_nick
@huber_nick #brightonSEO
Will Raynolds, MozCon 2019 Keynote speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFGT3LGcEjY
15%
@huber_nick #brightonSEO
Incognito:


Watch store
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
#brightonSEO
THERE IS A LOT OF WASTE IN YOUR AD SPEND
@huber_nick
Understand the biases of Google Shopping
Bid on profit
Grow profitably
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
Misnomers and
biases
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
ROAS = Return / Ad Spend
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
ROAS = Return (Revenue) / Ad Spend
#brightonSEO
ROAS is a revenue share
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
“… [The] economic value added […]
from advertising all require the costs to
be deducted from sales revenue."
@huber_nick
ROAS = (Revenue - Ad Spend) / Ad Spend
#brightonSEO
aka ROI or POAS
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
“A return can be expressed as a percentage
derived from the ratio of profit to investment”
Investopedia
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
?
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
Bias 1: Promoting low margin products
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
Margin: Low


Price: Competitive


@huber_nick
ROAS: 10
#brightonSEO
Margin: Average


Price: Average


Margin: Low


Price: Competitive


@huber_nick
ROAS: 10
#brightonSEO
Margin: Low


Price: Competitive


Margin: Average


Price: Average


Margin: High


Price: High


@huber_nick
ROAS: 10
#brightonSEO
Margin: Low


Price: Competitive


Conversion: Easy
Margin: Average


Price: Average


Conversion: Average
Margin: High


Price: High


Conversion: Difficult
@huber_nick
ROAS: 10
#brightonSEO
Margin: Low


Price: Competitive


Conversion: Easy
Margin: Average


Price: Average


Conversion: Average
Margin: High


Price: High


Conversion: Difficult
@huber_nick
ROAS: 10
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
Incognito:


Watch store
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
#brightonSEO
Bias 2: Promoting popular products
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
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#brightonSEO
0	
50	
100	
150	
200	
250	
Canon	EF	50mm	f/1.8	STM	
Canon	EF	24-105mm	f/4	L	IS	USM	
Canon	EOS	5D	III	
Canon	EF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6	III	
Nikon	AF-S	35mm	f/1.8G	DX	
Fujifilm	XF	18-55mm	f/2.8-4	R	LM	OIS	
Nikon	AF-S	50mm	f/1.8G	
Canon	EF-S	10-18mm	f/4.5-5.6	IS	STM	
Nikon	AF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6G	DX	VR	
Canon	EF	50mm	f/1.8	II	
Canon	EF	75-300mm	f/4-5.6	III	
Nikon	AF-P	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6G	DX	VR	
Canon	EOS	5D	IV	
Sony	E	PZ	16-50mm	f/3.5-5.6	OSS	
jifilm	NP-W126s	Battery	for	Fujifilm	X-Pro	2	
Nikon	D750	
Canon	EF	50mm	f/1.4	USM	
Canon	EF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6	IS	STM	
Sony	Alpha	A7	III	
Sony	Alpha	A6000	
Canon	EF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6	IS	II	
Sony	NP-FW50	Battery	
Canon	EF	70-200mm	f/2.8	L	IS	II	USM	
Canon	EOS	6D	
Fujifilm	X-T3	
Canon	EOS	5D	II	
Nikon	EN-EL15	Battery	
Nikon	D7200	
Olympus	M.Zuiko	ED	40-150mm	f/4-5.6	R	
Canon	EF-M	15-45mm	f/3.5-6.3	IS	STM	
Canon	EF	17-40mm	f/4	L	USM	
Canon	EOS	80D	
Canon	EOS	7D	
Sony	FE	28-70mm	f/3.5-5.6	OSS	
Canon	LP-E6	Battery	
Nikon	FTZ	Mount	Adapter	
Nikon	D3300	
Canon	EF	24-70mm	f/2.8	L	USM	
Nikon	AF-S	18-105mm	f/3.5-5.6G	ED	VR	
Canon	EF	100mm	f/2.8	L	IS	USM	Macro	
Nikon	AF-S	24-70mm	f/2.8G	IF-ED	
Canon	EF	85mm	f/1.8	USM	
Canon	Mount	Adapter	EF-EOS	R	
Canon	EF	24-70mm	f/2.8	L	II	USM	
Fujifilm	X-T2	
Canon	EOS	7D	II	
Canon	EOS	70D	
Olympus	M.Zuiko	ED	45mm	f/1.8	
Olympus	M.Zuiko	ED	14-42mm	f/3.5-5.6	EZ	
Canon	EF	70-200mm	f/4	L	USM	
Canon	430EX	II	Speedlite	
Fujifilm	XC	15-45mm	f/3.5-5.6	OIS	PZ	
Canon	EF	100-400mm	f/4.5-5.6	L	IS	USM	
Fujifilm	XF	35mm	f/2.0	R	WR	
Canon	EOS	600D	
Fujifilm	XF	35mm	f/1.4	R	
Canon	EF-S	24mm	f/2.8	STM	
onic	Lumix	G	Vario	12-32mm	f/3.5-5.6	ASPH	
Canon	EF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6	II	
Nikon	AF-S	70-300mm	f/4.5-5.6	G	IF	ED	VR	
Canon	EOS	1300D	
Nikon	D7000	
Canon	EF	70-300mm	f/4-5.6	IS	USM	
Nikon	D3200	
Nikon	D810	
Canon	EF-S	55-250mm	f/4-5.6	IS	
Canon	EOS	60D	
Canon	EF-S	55-250mm	f/4-5.6	IS	STM	
Fujifilm	XF	55-200mm	f/3.5-4.8	R	LM	OIS	
Fujifilm	XF	27mm	f/2.8	
Nikon	AF	50mm	f/1.8D	
Nikon	AF-S	55-300mm	f/4.5-5.6	G	VR	DX	
Fujifilm	X-T20	
Nikon	D5300	
Nikon	D7100	
Canon	EF	40mm	f/2.8	STM	
Nikon	AF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6G	ED	DX	VR	II	
Fujifilm	X100V	
Nikon	D500	
-600mm	f/5-6.3	DG	OS	HSM	C,	Canon	EF	Fit	
Fujifilm	XF	23mm	f/2	R	WR	
Nikon	AF-S	85mm	f/1.8G	
Canon	EOS	700D	
	G	Vario	12-60mm	f/3.5-5.6	ASPH	Power	OIS	
10-20mm	f/4-5.6	EX	DC	HSM,	Canon	EF-S	Fit	
Fujifilm	X100F	
Fujifilm	X-T1	
Sony	FE	50mm	f/1.8	
Nikon	Nikkor	Z	24-70mm	f/4	S	
Canon	580EX	II	Speedlite	
AF	70-300mm	f/4-5.6	Di	LD	Macro,	Nikon	Fit	
Canon	EF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6	IS	
Canon	EF-EOS	M	Mount	Adapter	
Nikon	EN-EL14a	Li-ion	Battery	
Canon	LP-E6N	Battery	
Nikon	AF-S	24-120mm	f/4G	ED	VR	
Canon	LP-E17	
Panasonic	Lumix	G	25mm	f/1.7	ASPH	
Fujifilm	XF	10-24mm	f/4	R	OIS	
Nikon	D800	
first	time	
repeat	
first time


repeat
Arranged by popularity
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
0	
50	
100	
150	
200	
250	
Canon	EF	50mm	f/1.8	STM	
Canon	EF	24-105mm	f/4	L	IS	USM	
Canon	EOS	5D	III	
Canon	EF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6	III	
Nikon	AF-S	35mm	f/1.8G	DX	
Fujifilm	XF	18-55mm	f/2.8-4	R	LM	OIS	
Nikon	AF-S	50mm	f/1.8G	
Canon	EF-S	10-18mm	f/4.5-5.6	IS	STM	
Nikon	AF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6G	DX	VR	
Canon	EF	50mm	f/1.8	II	
Canon	EF	75-300mm	f/4-5.6	III	
Nikon	AF-P	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6G	DX	VR	
Canon	EOS	5D	IV	
Sony	E	PZ	16-50mm	f/3.5-5.6	OSS	
jifilm	NP-W126s	Battery	for	Fujifilm	X-Pro	2	
Nikon	D750	
Canon	EF	50mm	f/1.4	USM	
Canon	EF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6	IS	STM	
Sony	Alpha	A7	III	
Sony	Alpha	A6000	
Canon	EF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6	IS	II	
Sony	NP-FW50	Battery	
Canon	EF	70-200mm	f/2.8	L	IS	II	USM	
Canon	EOS	6D	
Fujifilm	X-T3	
Canon	EOS	5D	II	
Nikon	EN-EL15	Battery	
Nikon	D7200	
Olympus	M.Zuiko	ED	40-150mm	f/4-5.6	R	
Canon	EF-M	15-45mm	f/3.5-6.3	IS	STM	
Canon	EF	17-40mm	f/4	L	USM	
Canon	EOS	80D	
Canon	EOS	7D	
Sony	FE	28-70mm	f/3.5-5.6	OSS	
Canon	LP-E6	Battery	
Nikon	FTZ	Mount	Adapter	
Nikon	D3300	
Canon	EF	24-70mm	f/2.8	L	USM	
Nikon	AF-S	18-105mm	f/3.5-5.6G	ED	VR	
Canon	EF	100mm	f/2.8	L	IS	USM	Macro	
Nikon	AF-S	24-70mm	f/2.8G	IF-ED	
Canon	EF	85mm	f/1.8	USM	
Canon	Mount	Adapter	EF-EOS	R	
Canon	EF	24-70mm	f/2.8	L	II	USM	
Fujifilm	X-T2	
Canon	EOS	7D	II	
Canon	EOS	70D	
Olympus	M.Zuiko	ED	45mm	f/1.8	
Olympus	M.Zuiko	ED	14-42mm	f/3.5-5.6	EZ	
Canon	EF	70-200mm	f/4	L	USM	
Canon	430EX	II	Speedlite	
Fujifilm	XC	15-45mm	f/3.5-5.6	OIS	PZ	
Canon	EF	100-400mm	f/4.5-5.6	L	IS	USM	
Fujifilm	XF	35mm	f/2.0	R	WR	
Canon	EOS	600D	
Fujifilm	XF	35mm	f/1.4	R	
Canon	EF-S	24mm	f/2.8	STM	
onic	Lumix	G	Vario	12-32mm	f/3.5-5.6	ASPH	
Canon	EF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6	II	
Nikon	AF-S	70-300mm	f/4.5-5.6	G	IF	ED	VR	
Canon	EOS	1300D	
Nikon	D7000	
Canon	EF	70-300mm	f/4-5.6	IS	USM	
Nikon	D3200	
Nikon	D810	
Canon	EF-S	55-250mm	f/4-5.6	IS	
Canon	EOS	60D	
Canon	EF-S	55-250mm	f/4-5.6	IS	STM	
Fujifilm	XF	55-200mm	f/3.5-4.8	R	LM	OIS	
Fujifilm	XF	27mm	f/2.8	
Nikon	AF	50mm	f/1.8D	
Nikon	AF-S	55-300mm	f/4.5-5.6	G	VR	DX	
Fujifilm	X-T20	
Nikon	D5300	
Nikon	D7100	
Canon	EF	40mm	f/2.8	STM	
Nikon	AF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6G	ED	DX	VR	II	
Fujifilm	X100V	
Nikon	D500	
-600mm	f/5-6.3	DG	OS	HSM	C,	Canon	EF	Fit	
Fujifilm	XF	23mm	f/2	R	WR	
Nikon	AF-S	85mm	f/1.8G	
Canon	EOS	700D	
	G	Vario	12-60mm	f/3.5-5.6	ASPH	Power	OIS	
10-20mm	f/4-5.6	EX	DC	HSM,	Canon	EF-S	Fit	
Fujifilm	X100F	
Fujifilm	X-T1	
Sony	FE	50mm	f/1.8	
Nikon	Nikkor	Z	24-70mm	f/4	S	
Canon	580EX	II	Speedlite	
AF	70-300mm	f/4-5.6	Di	LD	Macro,	Nikon	Fit	
Canon	EF-S	18-55mm	f/3.5-5.6	IS	
Canon	EF-EOS	M	Mount	Adapter	
Nikon	EN-EL14a	Li-ion	Battery	
Canon	LP-E6N	Battery	
Nikon	AF-S	24-120mm	f/4G	ED	VR	
Canon	LP-E17	
Panasonic	Lumix	G	25mm	f/1.7	ASPH	
Fujifilm	XF	10-24mm	f/4	R	OIS	
Nikon	D800	
first	time	
repeat	
Clear examples of Google bias to
popular products for new customers
@huber_nick
Arranged by popularity
first time


repeat
#brightonSEO
number
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56% 44%
?
@huber_nick
Critically
evaluate how
biases affect you
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
Bid on profit
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
PP
RP
RRP


List price
Bonus


Rebate
market environment
ROAS
gross
margin
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
PP
RP
RRP


List price
Bonus


Rebate
market environment
gross
margin
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
P&P
warehousing
shipping cost
payment processing
VAT
online costs
stock levels
profit
Advertising
#brightonSEO
What percentage of my true profit
am I willing to spend on ads for this
product?
@huber_nick
PAS = (PROFIT - Ad Spend) / Ad Spend
#brightonSEO
PAS is a PROFIT share
PROFITABLE AD SPEND
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
“… the jump from ROAS to POAS is similar
in scale to that from CPA to ROAS; you’re
simply adding more granularity.”
Discipline
@huber_nick
margin
cost of goods
PAS
costs of sales
PRODUCT
DATA
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
profit share
+
#brightonSEO
Bidding on profit
de-risks your ad
spend
@huber_nick
Grow profitably
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
Value strategy
Growth strategy
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
Value strategy


=


Profit


Ad spend
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
Margin: Low


Price: Competitive


@huber_nick
Profit share: 30%
#brightonSEO
Margin: Low


Price: Competitive


Margin: Average


Price: Average


@huber_nick
Profit share: 30%
#brightonSEO
Margin: Low


Price: Competitive


Margin: Average


Price: Average


Margin: High


Price: High


@huber_nick
Profit share: 30%
#brightonSEO
Margin: Low


Price: Competitive


Appeal: Low
Margin: Average


Price: Average


Appeal: Average
Margin: High


Price: High


Appeal: High
@huber_nick
Profit share: 30%
#brightonSEO
Margin: Low


Price: Competitive


Appeal: Low
Margin: High


Price: High


Appeal: High
@huber_nick
Profit share: 30%
last click attribution
to Google shopping 80,719
0
175,000
350,000
525,000
700,000
ROAS (10) PAS
2019 sales
> € 240,000 savings
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
Growth


=


Profit


Ad spend
@huber_nick
#brightonSEO
Profit exc. ad (£) 7.5
Sales (x) 100
Ad cost (£) 250
Profit(£):500
Profit exc. ad (£) 750
Sales (x) 1
Ad cost (£) 250
Profit(£):500
@huber_nick
£25
£2500
#brightonSEO
Profit exc. ad (£) 7.5
Sales (x) 100
Ad cost (£) 250
Profit(£):500
Profit exc. ad (£) 750
Sales (x) 1
Ad cost (£) 250
Profit(£):500
Ad spend:


£500
Profit:


£1000
@huber_nick
£25
£2500
#brightonSEO
Profit exc. ad (£) 7.5
Sales (x) 100
Ad cost (£) 250
Profit(£):500
Profit exc. ad (£) 750
Sales (x) 1
Ad cost (£) 250
Profit(£):500
Ad spend:


£500
Profit:


£1000
£
@huber_nick
£25
£2500
#brightonSEO
Profit exc. ad (£) 7.5
Sales (x) 50
Ad cost (£) 150
Profit(£):225
Profit exc. ad (£) 750
Sales (x) 2
Ad cost (£) 350
Profit(£):1150
@huber_nick
£25
£2500
#brightonSEO
Profit exc. ad (£) 7.5
Sales (x) 50
Ad cost (£) 150
Profit(£):225
Profit exc. ad (£) 750
Sales (x) 2
Ad cost (£) 350
Profit(£):1150
Ad spend:


£500
Profit:


£1375
@huber_nick
£25
£2500
#brightonSEO
Ad spend:


£500
Profit:


£1375
37.5%
@huber_nick
£25
£2500
#brightonSEO
Bidding on profit
can safely drive
growth
@huber_nick
Bidding on profit can safely drive growth
Bidding on profit de-risks your ad spend
Critically evaluate how biases affect you
#brightonSEO
@huber_nick
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